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15:00:16 <chaals> trackbot, start meeting
15:00:18 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
15:00:20 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 2119
15:00:20 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM scheduled to start 60 minutes ago
15:00:21 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
15:00:21 <trackbot> Date: 16 May 2013
15:00:56 <chaals> Chair: Chaals
15:00:56 <chaals> Regrets: SteveF
15:00:56 <chaals> agenda+ Identify Scribe
15:00:56 <chaals> agenda+ Outstanding text team bugs
15:00:56 <chaals> agenda+ overdue actions - misc: <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013May/0017.html>, media: <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013May/0017.html>, aria: <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013May/0017.html>
15:00:56 <chaals> agenda+ Longdesc bugs http://www.w3.org/mid/op.wwtyklsqy3oazb@chaals.local
15:00:56 <chaals> agenda+ Longdesc Public Draft
15:00:57 <chaals> agenda+ Any Other Business?
15:00:57 <chaals> 
15:01:37 <janina> zakim, who's on the phone?
15:01:37 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has not yet started, janina
15:01:38 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, SuzanneT, chaals, darobin, MarkS, janina, MichaelC, hober, trackbot
15:02:04 <janina> zakim, this will be WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)
15:02:04 <Zakim> ok, janina, I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM already started
15:02:13 <janina> zakim, who's on the phone?
15:02:13 <Zakim> On the phone I see MarkS, ??P3
15:02:32 <janina> zakim, ??P3 is me
15:02:32 <Zakim> +janina; got it
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15:02:49 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
15:02:56 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:02:58 <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft] is me
15:02:59 <Zakim> +paulc; got it
15:03:00 <Zakim> +John_Foliot
15:03:12 <chaals> zakim, accept my !!! passcode...
15:03:12 <Zakim> I don't understand 'accept my !!! passcode', chaals
15:03:31 <chaals> zakim, take up agendum 1
15:03:31 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Identify Scribe" taken up [from chaals]
15:05:39 <Zakim> + +1.619.846.aaaa
15:05:47 <janina> scribe: janina
15:05:50 <Zakim> + +7.926.113.aabb
15:06:02 <chaals> zakim, next item
15:06:02 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Outstanding text team bugs" taken up [from chaals]
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15:06:17 <chaals> zakim, aabb is me
15:06:17 <Zakim> +chaals; got it
15:06:44 <chaals> zakim, who is making noise?
15:06:55 <Zakim> chaals, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: paulc (5%), John_Foliot (90%)
15:07:17 <janina> topic: text bugs
15:07:27 <janina> ms: No Triage call this week
15:07:43 <MarkS> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13449
15:08:00 <janina> zakim, take up item 1
15:08:00 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Identify Scribe" taken up [from chaals]
15:08:09 <janina> zakim, close item 1
15:08:09 <Zakim> agendum 1, Identify Scribe, closed
15:08:11 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:08:11 <Zakim> 2. Outstanding text team bugs [from chaals]
15:08:14 <janina> zakim, next item
15:08:14 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Outstanding text team bugs" taken up [from chaals]
15:09:42 <janina> ms: Closed based on behavior of IE and FF
15:10:02 <janina> and expectation that gui browsers would do the right thing anyway
15:10:06 <janina> ms: suggests reopen
15:10:47 <janina> cn: Are there other opinions?
15:10:56 <janina> cn: To discuss in Triage?
15:11:08 <janina> lw: Suggest TF decision
15:11:10 <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
15:11:28 <janina> cn: Anyone else for reopening
15:11:36 <janina> cn: Seems not. So we will leave it
15:11:55 <chaals> RESOLUTION: 13449 stays closed in the absence of a champion to re-open.
15:12:04 <chaals> zakim, close this item
15:12:04 <Zakim> agendum 2 closed
15:12:05 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:12:05 <Zakim> 3. overdue actions - misc: <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013May/0017.html>, media:
15:12:05 <Zakim> ... <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013May/0017.html>, aria: <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013May/0017.html> [from chaals]
15:12:11 <chaals> zakim, next item
15:12:11 <Zakim> agendum 3. "overdue actions - misc: <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013May/0017.html>, media:
15:12:13 <Zakim> ... <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013May/0017.html>, aria: <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013May/0017.html>" taken up [from chaals]
15:12:22 <janina> zakim, take up item 3
15:12:22 <Zakim> agendum 3. "overdue actions - misc: <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013May/0017.html>, media:
15:12:25 <Zakim> ... <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013May/0017.html>, aria: <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013May/0017.html>" taken up [from chaals]
15:12:48 <janina> cn: Anyone noting one that should be closed? Or to discuss one of these?
15:13:21 <chaals> zakim, close this item
15:13:21 <Zakim> agendum 3 closed
15:13:22 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:13:22 <Zakim> 4. Longdesc bugs http://www.w3.org/mid/op.wwtyklsqy3oazb@chaals.local [from chaals]
15:13:25 <janina> cn: Noting crickets. Will continue to ping
15:13:27 <chaals> zakim, next item
15:13:27 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Longdesc bugs http://www.w3.org/mid/op.wwtyklsqy3oazb@chaals.local" taken up [from chaals]
15:13:28 <janina> zakim, next item
15:13:29 <Zakim> agendum 4 was just opened, janina
15:14:03 <janina> cn: Reviewing additional remaining bugs
15:14:18 <janina> cn: First relates to adding an attribute to denote presence of a longdesc
15:14:33 <chaals> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21987 -> add attribute
15:14:38 <janina> cn: Propose 21987 to be closed
15:14:49 <janina> crickets
15:14:52 <janina> cn: So is closed
15:15:00 <janina> cn: Next
15:15:09 <chaals> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21894 - define longdesc like cite instead of as a link
15:15:50 <janina> cn: Propose to leave as is
15:15:55 <janina> cn: Will close this
15:16:11 <chaals> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21988 - update URL definition to a link that works
15:16:26 <paulc> q+
15:16:28 <janina> cn: An editorial issue propose closing
15:16:31 <janina> cn: Will be closed
15:16:35 <chaals> ack paul
15:17:28 <janina> pc: Wondering whether the longdesc spec supports the linkage the allows direct filing from the spec
15:17:35 <janina> cn: Prefer not to
15:17:36 <chaals> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-proposals/raw-file/default/longdesc1/longdesc.html -> editor's draft
15:17:50 <paulc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2013May/0097.html Media TF request
15:18:11 <paulc> Media TF bug: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22062
15:18:50 <janina> pc: MSE about to go LC, and it is believed this assists that process
15:18:59 <janina> pc: No opinion here, simply suggesting the consideration
15:19:22 <janina> cn: Don't believe we need it. It's a simple spec. We've cleared many bugs already.
15:19:36 <janina> cn: It raises a risk of expediting bugs that poorly considered
15:19:51 <janina> cn: It's just quite easy to file bugs
15:20:23 <janina> cn: Notes that many reading the html spec seem to click the button to see what happens
15:20:37 <janina> pc: My only reason to raise is to get wide review
15:21:04 <janina> pc: Is true that HTML editorial team always triaging these
15:21:20 <janina> cn: What do others think?
15:21:46 <janina> jf: See no reason for it, especially on this particular attribute. We've researched and defended this so widely and completely
15:22:55 <janina> js: Agree to leave as is
15:23:00 <janina> cn: We'll leave as is
15:23:41 <janina> cn: Turns out we need to nothing. The base element auto applies by default
15:23:50 <janina> cn: Implementations not necessarily good at this
15:24:15 <janina> cn: Unclear this is realword as it's unclear anyone uses base plus longdesc
15:24:29 <chaals> zakim, close this iem
15:24:29 <Zakim> I don't understand 'close this iem', chaals
15:24:42 <janina> zakim, next item
15:24:42 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Longdesc Public Draft" taken up [from chaals]
15:25:34 <janina> cn: Proposing to publish as a stabilization draft
15:25:42 <janina> cn: Call for consensus Monday
15:25:54 <janina> cn: Tobe pub'd Tuesday
15:26:17 <janina> cn: Idea is to fix anything remaining before we go LC
15:26:56 <janina> pc: Any working draft from the TF needs approval from HTML and PF
15:27:54 <paulc> MSE Pre-LC announcement: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013May/0001.html
15:28:37 <janina> pc: For MSE we point people to the editor's draft to avoid the formal Stabilization
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15:30:53 <janina> [discussion of timeline implications of the formal process]
15:34:32 <janina> cn: anticipate finishing in spring
15:34:55 <janina> cn: Ah, it's the Aussie spring!
15:36:24 <paulc> q+
15:36:34 <chaals> ack paul
15:40:22 <janina> cn: Is there objection to a Stabilization Draft publication now?
15:41:22 <janina> RESOLUTION: The Task Force approves publication of a Stabilization Draft for the HTML Image Description extension specification
15:41:35 <chaals> zakim, close this item
15:41:35 <Zakim> agendum 5 closed
15:41:36 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
15:41:36 <Zakim> 6. Any Other Business? [from chaals]
15:42:32 <janina> jf: Asking about a HTML spec walk through
15:43:44 <janina> cn: We need to raise either here or in Bug Triage
15:44:12 <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
15:45:29 <janina> js: Decision here was to walk through in separate telecons to identify
15:46:07 <janina> cn: Ah, the chairs aren't in the same place on this, so need to discuss in coordination
15:46:33 <janina> cn: Any further input for the chairs on this topic?
15:46:56 <janina> pc: review what docs?
15:47:08 <janina> cn: Do essentially what the HTML-WG did with the spec docs
15:47:08 <LJWatson> q+
15:48:05 <janina> pc: We expect CFCs soon on some of this soon
15:48:34 <janina> cn: TF would check that it agrees with WG decisions specifically with "does it produce a11y issues or not"
15:48:57 <janina> pc: Suggest determining the order of work and make it visible to the WG
15:49:27 <chaals> q+
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15:50:19 <paulc> Overview of testing in view of CR exit: http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tests-cr-exit.html
15:50:21 <janina> cn: Suggest TF chairs should figure this out with HTML Chairs
15:51:07 <chaals> ack me
15:51:11 <chaals> ack lj
15:51:22 <janina> action: Charles to set up coordination of spec review for the TF chairs with the HTML WG chairs
15:51:22 <trackbot> Created ACTION-181 - Set up coordination of spec review for the TF chairs with the HTML WG chairs [on Charles McCathie Nevile - due 2013-05-23].
15:51:42 <Zakim> +David_MacDonald
15:52:16 <janina> action: Charles to insure that Leonie is looped into action-181
15:52:16 <trackbot> Created ACTION-182 - Insure that Leonie is looped into action-181 [on Charles McCathie Nevile - due 2013-05-23].
15:53:09 <janina> ms: Notes regrets for next Thursday
15:53:12 <janina> cn: Anyone else?
15:53:16 <janina> cn: possibly me
15:53:52 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
15:53:53 <janina> zakim, bye
15:53:53 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were MarkS, janina, [IPcaller], paulc, John_Foliot, +1.619.846.aaaa, +7.926.113.aabb, chaals, Cynthia_Shelly, David_MacDonald
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15:53:58 <janina> rrsagent, make minutes
15:53:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/16-html-a11y-minutes.html janina
16:17:01 <janina> janina has changed the topic to: HTML-A11Y Task Force Teleconference; Thursday 23 May at 15:00Z for 60 minutes
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