13:20:06 RRSAgent has joined #dap 13:20:06 logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/05/15-dap-irc 13:20:08 RRSAgent, make logs world 13:20:08 Zakim has joined #dap 13:20:10 Zakim, this will be DAP 13:20:10 ok, trackbot; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 40 minutes 13:20:11 Meeting: Device APIs Working Group Teleconference 13:20:11 Date: 15 May 2013 13:20:23 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013May/0038.html 13:20:37 fjh has changed the topic to: dap 3279 ; agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013May/0038.html 13:20:58 Regrets+ Josh_Soref 13:21:16 Chair: Frederick_Hirsch 13:21:19 Present+ Frederick_Hirsch 13:21:38 ScribeNick: fjh 13:21:54 Topic: Welcome, agenda review, scribe selection, announcements 13:33:53 dtran has joined #dap 13:53:22 richt has joined #dap 13:59:20 UW_DAP()10:00AM has now started 13:59:27 +[IPcaller] 13:59:35 zakim, [IPcaller] is me 13:59:35 +fjh; got it 13:59:40 gmandyam has joined #dap 14:00:17 +gmandyam 14:00:55 +??P3 14:02:02 +??P4 14:02:03 Present+ Dominique_Hazael-Massieux 14:02:05 Zakim, ??P4 is me 14:02:05 +dom; got it 14:02:11 zakim, who is here? 14:02:11 On the phone I see fjh, gmandyam, ??P3, dom 14:02:12 On IRC I see gmandyam, richt, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, tobie, dom, ted, anssik, Josh_Soref, trackbot, slightlyoff, mounir 14:03:06 Present+ Anssi_Kostiainen 14:03:17 +??P5 14:03:20 zakim, ??P5 is me 14:03:20 +anssik; got it 14:03:49 zakim, who is here? 14:03:49 On the phone I see fjh, gmandyam, ??P3, dom, anssik 14:03:50 On IRC I see gmandyam, richt, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, tobie, dom, ted, anssik, Josh_Soref, trackbot, slightlyoff, mounir 14:04:44 Reminder, June F2F has been canceled, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Mar/0035.html 14:04:44 HTML Media Capture CR drat published last Thursday, 9 May, http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/CR-html-media-capture-20130509/ 14:05:03 s/drat/draft/ 14:05:16 Topic: Minutes approval 14:05:26 Approve minutes from 8 May 2013 14:05:34 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013May/att-0039/minutes-2013-05-08.html 14:05:43 RESOLUTION: Minutes from 8 May 2013 are approved 14:05:55 Topic: Shelving Web Intents, Web Intents Addendum, Pick Media Intent, Pick Contacts intent 14:06:29 fjh: sent CfC to shelve, ends this Friday 17 May, general support for shelving 14:07:01 fjh: Art suggested we publish Web Intents as WG Note, I agree that is a good idea, please indicate support for that in response to CfC 14:07:07 + +1.303.661.aaaa 14:07:17 zakim, where is 303? 14:07:17 North American dialing code 1.303 is Colorado 14:07:34 zakim, aaaa is clark 14:07:34 +clark; got it 14:07:49 Present+ Clarke_Stevens 14:08:07 Clarke has joined #dap 14:08:07 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013May/0020.html 14:08:40 fjh: I think we can plan to publish Note next Thur assuming CfC ok, have suggested edits and sotd to Greg, Art had some further additions 14:09:01 Topic: Vibration 14:09:11 updated editors draft, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013May/0025.html 14:09:18 CfC to publish another Last Call WD (CfC ends 21 May please respond): http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013May/0037.html 14:11:11 fjh: please indicate support on list, I'm assuming that this process of going to LC then CR again will not cause delay or problems 14:11:24 dom: the transition request might be handled by email if no more LC concerns 14:11:33 Topic: Proximity, Light 14:11:41 Plans to update technical approach: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013May/0026.html 14:11:53 Suggested update to privacy considerations section http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013May/0022.html (Frederick) 14:12:10 fjh: I suggested privacy considerations, have not seen feedback, Anssi? 14:12:20 anssik: looks ok to me, I can update the specification 14:12:55 fjh: I think we can go ahead and update the specifications, currently the security and privacy considerations are blank, we can still accept further constructive comments 14:13:06 Open issue: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013May/0034.html 14:14:00 fjh: how do we handle the issue, wait a while, note the issue in the spec 14:14:16 anssik: would prefer to wait and if we do not have a proposal, then revert the specification 14:14:29 +1 on waiting 14:14:41 ... just got concern yesterday, open issue in bug tracker, so hope they are doing prototyping 14:14:49 fjh: maybe you can ask if they are prototyping 14:15:10 anssik: asked this implicitly 14:15:20 ... so lets wait 14:15:51 ... they are definitely implementing, so I think they need time to experiment and think about the issue. Can get ideas from working code. 14:16:11 fjh: suggest we revisit at end of this month 14:16:20 anssik: sounds reasonable 14:16:37 Topic: Sensors 14:17:52 fjh: the issue of the consolidated sensor spec has come up again, a previous issue that we decided against, should we be revisiting it? 14:18:01 anssik: suggest we wait for a concrete proposal 14:18:31 fjh: that sounds reasonable and they should know this would require another proposal to consider 14:18:39 s/they/all/ 14:18:50 s/this/that addressing an issue/ 14:18:51 +q 14:18:55 ack gmandyam 14:18:57 ack gmandyam 14:19:14 Zakim, who's noisy? 14:19:25 dom, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: gmandyam (80%) 14:19:32 gmandyam: not good sensor APIs on handheld devices in native APIs 14:21:09 fjh: this is part of the reason we separated the functionality and went with modular specs - to enable implementation and testing of items 14:21:41 Topic: Editor Update: Network Service Discovery 14:21:48 prefix issue , http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Apr/0054.html (Jean-Claude) 14:21:49 status http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013May/0028.html (Rich) 14:22:19 fjh: Rich responded indicating we may want to wait until Cathy returns in July, I suggest if any discussion can happen on list in advance that would be helpful 14:22:34 Topic: Action Review 14:22:46 ACTION-523? 14:22:46 ACTION-523 -- Anssi Kostiainen to work on test cases for battery, vibration, and HTML Media Capture -- due 2012-08-31 -- OPEN 14:22:46 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/523 14:22:59 anssik: starting with HTML Media Capture 14:23:11 fjh: good if others can help as well, so if you share on list that might encourage them 14:23:23 ACTION-621? 14:23:23 ACTION-621 -- Anssi Kostiainen to create test cases for HTML Media Capture -- due 2013-03-13 -- OPEN 14:23:23 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/621 14:23:33 ACTION-625? 14:23:33 ACTION-625 -- Dominique Hazaël-Massieux to move DAP tests to Git, with help from others as needed -- due 2013-05-01 -- OPEN 14:23:33 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/625 14:23:40 fjh: i believe still in progress 14:23:55 ... not sure how much work is involved 14:24:20 dom: technical work is easy but need help making sure we are clear on tests WG has approved 14:24:28 pending items 14:24:35 ACTION-446? 14:24:35 ACTION-446 -- Frederick Hirsch to review security issue http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Aug/0006.html -- due 2011-08-24 -- PENDINGREVIEW 14:24:35 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/446 14:24:48 fjh: did this, nothing directly relevant now 14:24:56 close ACTION-446 14:24:56 Closed ACTION-446 Review security issue http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Aug/0006.html. 14:25:11 ACTION-591? 14:25:11 ACTION-591 -- Greg Billock to work with Mounir and James to create new webintents draft that reflects web activities and issues -- due 2013-03-29 -- PENDINGREVIEW 14:25:11 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/591 14:25:42 fjh: Greg and Mounir agreed to close, meeting was held and documented, further work will depend on implementation experience and experiments 14:25:51 close ACTION-591 14:25:51 Closed ACTION-591 Work with Mounir and James to create new webintents draft that reflects web activities and issues. 14:26:00 ACTION-622? 14:26:00 ACTION-622 -- Frederick Hirsch to follow up on concrete actions based on PING input -- due 2013-03-13 -- PENDINGREVIEW 14:26:00 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/622 14:27:00 dtran has joined #dap 14:27:41 -??P3 14:30:08 -dom 14:30:09 -anssik 14:30:11 -clark 14:30:12 -gmandyam 14:30:41 fjh: I shared concrete suggestions, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013May/0022.html 14:31:16 ACTION-622: I shared concrete suggestions, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013May/0022.html 14:31:16 Notes added to ACTION-622 Follow up on concrete actions based on PING input. 14:31:22 close ACTION-622 14:31:22 Closed ACTION-622 Follow up on concrete actions based on PING input. 14:31:41 ACTION-630? 14:31:41 ACTION-630 -- Frederick Hirsch to send CfC re shelving Web Intents, Web Intents Addendum, Pick Media Intent, Pick Contacts intent -- due 2013-05-15 -- PENDINGREVIEW 14:31:41 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/630 14:32:36 ACTION-630: CfC sent http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013May/0018.html 14:32:36 Notes added to ACTION-630 Send CfC re shelving Web Intents, Web Intents Addendum, Pick Media Intent, Pick Contacts intent. 14:33:35 ACTION-630: suggestion to publish Web Intents as WG Note http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013May/0020.html 14:33:35 Notes added to ACTION-630 Send CfC re shelving Web Intents, Web Intents Addendum, Pick Media Intent, Pick Contacts intent. 14:33:40 close ACTION-630 14:33:41 Closed ACTION-630 Send CfC re shelving Web Intents, Web Intents Addendum, Pick Media Intent, Pick Contacts intent. 14:34:00 Topic: Issue Review 14:34:08 ISSUE-127? 14:34:09 ISSUE-127 -- Status section of Battery CR draft should include exit criteria and at-risk items -- open 14:34:09 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/127 14:34:45 fjh: need to check this 14:34:59 fjh: checked, Battery CR draft does not include this information in status section - http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/CR-battery-status-20120508/ 14:36:41 fjh: however this was recorded in the transition announcement, so I will close this issue 14:37:03 ISSUE-127: information is included in member-only transition announcement, https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/chairs/2012AprJun/0032.html 14:37:03 Notes added to ISSUE-127 Status section of Battery CR draft should include exit criteria and at-risk items. 14:37:09 close ISSUE-127 14:37:09 Closed ISSUE-127 Status section of Battery CR draft should include exit criteria and at-risk items. 14:37:17 ISSUE-128? 14:37:17 ISSUE-128 -- Need more description on how bandwidth should be estimated -- open 14:37:17 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/128 14:37:24 fjh: discussion ongoing on list 14:38:21 ISSUE-128: recent discussion thread starts here: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013May/0010.html 14:38:21 Notes added to ISSUE-128 Need more description on how bandwidth should be estimated. 14:38:41 ISSUE-128: concerns, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013May/0012.html 14:38:41 Notes added to ISSUE-128 Need more description on how bandwidth should be estimated. 14:39:02 ISSUE-128: support for concerns, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013May/0014.html 14:39:02 Notes added to ISSUE-128 Need more description on how bandwidth should be estimated. 14:39:25 Topic: TPAC F2F 14:40:00 fjh: have scheduled DAP F2F during TPAC in China for Thur/Fri 14-15 November 14:40:15 fjh: consistent with Sys Apps on Mon/Tue 14:40:41 fjh: anticipate joint session with Media Capture TF on Thur or Fri, they cannot do this Mon/Tue due to Mon/Tue Web RTC meeting 14:40:51 ... thus Thur/Fri makes sense 14:41:57 ... expect with this and ongoing work enough work, probably 1.5 days, depends on the details - if we have Web Intents topics then more than we will have time for 14:42:19 ... will need to review as we get nearer to make sure we have appropriate agenda for f2f 14:42:37 ... Dom, how do we get an invitation letter and what we need to get a Visa? 14:43:10 dom: the registration page will include information and form to request invitation letter, should have that registration well in advance of f2f 14:43:15 fjh: good, thanks 14:43:21 Topic: Other Business 14:43:22 none 14:43:28 Topic: Adjourn 14:43:35 rrsagent, generate minutes 14:43:35 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/15-dap-minutes.html fjh 14:44:31 s/sotd to Greg/status section changes to Greg/ 14:44:52 s/updated editors draft,/updated editors draft:/ 14:45:44 s/+q// 14:46:19 s/testing of items/testing of items; we are aware of commonality concerns but wanted modular approach/ 14:47:40 rrsagent, generate minutes 14:47:40 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/15-dap-minutes.html fjh 14:48:12 -fjh 14:48:13 UW_DAP()10:00AM has ended 14:48:13 Attendees were fjh, gmandyam, dom, anssik, +1.303.661.aaaa, clark 15:07:07 tobie has joined #dap 16:27:34 Zakim has left #dap