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20:33:06 <Ian> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-site-design/2013May/0010.html
20:33:16 <Ian> Meeting: Site Redesign Task Force
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20:34:52 <Ian> Regrets: Kelly
20:36:02 <Zakim> +Bev_Corwin
20:36:09 <dorian> yeah one moment
20:36:27 <dorian> phone is plugged in and on a short leash
20:36:29 <Ian> topic: Last review of draft survey
20:36:44 <Ian> IJ: Heads-up we plan to launch real soon now
20:37:07 <lcreekmo> I liked the comments so far. I don't think I have anything else to add to that.
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20:37:19 <bevcorwin> Hello
20:37:39 <Zakim> +Dorian_Taylor
20:38:07 <Ian> Q. any prefs between related question on same slide, or split if #2 depends on #2 with better tie-in?
20:38:11 <Ian> a) same page
20:38:17 <Ian> b) two pages w/ dependency
20:38:27 <troy> B
20:38:28 <Ian> Ian: (b)
20:38:29 <bevcorwin> B
20:38:41 <lcreekmo> b is fine with me
20:39:02 <Ian> Any other questions or comments for this meeting?
20:39:06 <dorian> i spent a considerable amount of time fighting with the first page
20:39:12 <dorian> yeah what bev just said
20:40:21 <lcreekmo> I was in Chrome and had to fill in a few answers on some pages but not all.
20:40:26 <dorian> plus if you aren't sure what the difference between a working/interest/community/business group is that's confusing
20:40:28 <troy> i went through the whole survey with FF as my browser, no issue
20:40:31 <Ian> Bug: If you check none with no comment, it fails
20:40:55 <dorian> like there's a lot of w3c-peculiar terminology on the first page
20:42:07 <lcreekmo> I did want a reminder about the audience for that reason, dorian. Language might be too inside-baseball [without explanations].
20:42:12 <Ian> IJ: I will say that we ned to clarify that "other" implies you _have_ to put a comment
20:43:36 <Ian> ..or make extra comment optional
20:45:02 <Ian> topic: PLan for survey:
20:45:07 <Ian>  - launch 15 or 16 May for 2 weeks
20:45:32 <Ian> - IJ will announce via twitter
20:45:36 <Ian> Q. Blog post or home page news item?
20:46:06 <Ian> - add a comment to the ALA column on this project
20:46:26 <Ian> - home page news item
20:46:41 <Ian> - membership as well
20:46:47 <Ian> - chairs list
20:47:07 <Ian> IJ: Someone want to post over in IAI
20:47:13 <Ian> Laura: I can do that.
20:47:38 <Ian> …forward me the email you send to other groups.
20:48:31 <Ian> IJ: I will be sure we have a clear signal when survey open and ready
20:48:40 <Ian> topic: Activities while site survey is going on
20:50:42 <Ian> http://www.w3.org/wiki/Headlights2013/SiteRedesign#Resources
20:51:34 <Ian>     a) What do we do next with our rough inventory of W3C content?
20:51:35 <Ian>     b) Are there other sites we should take inspiration from for w3.org?
20:52:08 <Ian> Troy: we could look at commercial sites that have large repositories of information.
20:52:15 <Ian> …e.g., Oracle, or SAP, or Intel
20:52:22 <dorian> they can?
20:52:23 <dorian> haha
20:52:26 <Ian> …people are able to come in and quickly find information.
20:52:32 <bevcorwin> OWASP.org
20:52:37 <Ian> IJ: IEEE? Imax?
20:52:45 <Ian> s/IJ:/Troy:
20:53:00 <Ian> Troy: could be useful for what we want or don't want to do.
20:53:03 <Ian> Laura: Github
20:53:15 <Ian> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Main_Page
20:53:26 <troy> wimax (instead of imax)
20:54:00 <Ian> https://www.oasis-open.org/policies-guidelines/ipr
20:54:12 <Ian> https://www.oasis-open.org/
20:54:24 <dorian> and a lobster
20:54:45 <dorian> q+
20:54:51 <Ian> http://www.awwwards.com/
20:55:17 <bevcorwin> www.worldpulse.com
20:55:45 <Ian> Bev: They have a good learning model
20:56:13 <Ian> Dorian: W3C is sort of its own archetype
20:56:15 <lcreekmo> For that matter, TED.com has an interesting asset design model.
20:56:25 <Ian> …I think organizations have modeled on W3C rather than the other way around
20:56:27 <lcreekmo> http://ted.com
20:56:52 <Ian> …as for the content of w3.org, it would be interesting to me to assign a temporality horizon to the major clusters of content
20:56:55 <Ian> …specs, news, etc.
20:57:10 <Ian> …the idea there is to organize it based on long some stuff is meant to persist
20:57:19 <lcreekmo> +1 on that, Ian!!
20:57:28 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
20:57:31 <Ian> …the home page is a funny creature because it is mostly a brochure or sales thing for the board of directors
20:57:39 <bevcorwin> Iconathon: http://blog.thenounproject.com/post/50350240045/cultural-heritage-iconathon
20:58:11 <Ian> …another interesting perspective is that the home page may be less valuable if people get to key content through search engines; that's a perspective of http://stackoverflow.com/
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20:59:48 <troy> i have to drop.
20:59:53 <Zakim> -Troy
21:00:37 <Ian> Dorian: I think the home page can have a lot more space.
21:00:45 <Ian> http://www.upassoc.org/
21:01:05 <Ian> Dorian: Heads-up on cramming stuff onto the home apge
21:01:15 <Ian> ..we should think about the behavioral aspects and strategic choices.
21:07:51 <Ian> q?
21:07:52 <bevcorwin> DDF: https://tools.codice.org/wiki/display/DDF/Distributed+Data+Framework+Home
21:07:58 <Ian> ack dorian
21:08:00 <lcreekmo> I will say, I am finally almost finished with my content strategy thoughts :) and I will include some thoughts about what we can do with that mini-, high-level inventory we have. I'll get that to you this week, Ian.
21:09:19 <Ian> tx
21:09:36 <bevcorwin> Great Laura! :-)
21:09:59 <Ian> IJ: We can think about the org as:
21:10:05 <Ian>  - solutiosn for businesses
21:10:14 <Ian>  - developer solutions (and that sub site can grow)
21:10:28 <Ian> - the standards and processes for creating them
21:11:15 <Ian> models
21:11:17 <Ian>  - the organization
21:11:20 <bevcorwin> documented methodologies, maturities, visions, etc.
21:11:55 <Ian> - what is the web platform
21:12:29 <Ian> - what are the services we provide (standards, testing, dev documentation, training, ….)
21:12:59 <bevcorwin> yes, the leadership role the W3C plays with the web, globally, etc.
21:13:29 <dorian> have subdomains been discussed?
21:13:33 <dorian> e.g. validator.w3.org
21:14:52 <dorian> there seems to be "web app dev" and "everything else"
21:15:01 <bevcorwin> relationship models w/ other standards orgs?
21:15:20 <dorian> html5/css/dom/etc vs say, rdf or wai
21:15:28 <bevcorwin> SDB
21:15:30 <bevcorwin> SDN
21:15:39 <bevcorwin> IETF
21:16:00 <Ian> Robin: Having gone through this with our team…we struggled with "what we do"...
21:16:01 <dorian> and frankly the semantic web stuff is a lot more interesting to the rest of the world that doesn't make whizzbang web apps
21:16:16 <dorian> eg biotech who loves that stuff
21:16:26 <Ian> Robin: …we had to convince our leadership that we need to use plain languag
21:17:36 <bevcorwin> Where does the W3C live in the webs many dimensions?
21:18:20 <lcreekmo> Robin, I'm with you. The plainer the language the better, but "experts" always have to be shown why that's so.
21:18:24 <dorian> ian yes re verticals
21:18:27 <bevcorwin> Multi modal, multi dimensional, multi media, etc.?
21:18:50 <Ian> IJ: Could do something like this:
21:18:53 <Ian>  - want to use the web
21:18:56 <Ian>  - want to add  to the wb
21:19:01 <lcreekmo> Ian, I think that's a nice idea. You probably want to give people a way to dive deep immediately if they know what they want. but I'm betting most visitors don't know exactly what they need from you.
21:19:10 <Ian>  - want to see how the web is affecting my industry
21:19:16 <Ian> Robin: You are missing the vision piece
21:19:31 <Ian> …and you need a fast track for people who visit the site frequently
21:20:14 <bevcorwin> Intelligent, knowledge space
21:20:41 <bevcorwin> I love white boards!
21:21:29 <Ian> [panasonic virtual white board]
21:22:03 <Ian> http://www.idroo.com/ ?
21:22:23 <rginn> content mapping exercise
21:22:26 <Ian> content mapping
21:23:41 <Ian> Robin: You can create carousels on a rotation basis...
21:23:55 <Ian> Bev: Configurable is nice based on preferences
21:26:04 <lcreekmo> I've got to jump off!
21:26:13 <Zakim> -Laura_Creekmore
21:27:34 <Ian> Bev: Can we have a content conversation at some point?
21:27:40 <Ian> IJ: please send comments to the list
21:30:41 <Ian> topic: Proposed next meeting - 21 May
21:30:58 <dorian> machines first that's a jaron lanier thing
21:31:13 <dorian> also: REST, RDF(a)
21:31:37 <Ian> [On content for machines first]
21:32:24 <Ian> http://bibliontology.com/
21:32:32 <dorian> http://bibotools.googlecode.com/svn/bibo-ontology/trunk/doc/classes/Standard___-2089222601.html
21:32:52 <Ian> …you can tag things…sort content based on what content is.
21:33:19 <bevcorwin> IETF's user preferences would work with Dorian's ideas.. would be very interesting to design w/ W3C MMI and IETF's
21:40:36 <dorian> data source comes from an rdf triplestore
21:40:38 <dorian> e.g. virtuoso
21:40:41 <dorian> (just fyi)
21:41:48 <dorian> http://virtuoso.openlinksw.com/
21:42:05 <dorian> sparql endpoint ;)
21:42:51 <bevcorwin> Tool box?
21:43:06 <bevcorwin> Web framework challenge
21:43:58 <Ian> http://www.w3.org/2001/11/StdLiaison
21:45:31 <Ian> Available next week?
21:45:33 <bevcorwin> +1
21:45:34 <dorian> yes
21:45:35 <dorian> +1
21:45:52 <rginn> yes, but starting at 2 pm PT??
21:45:53 <bevcorwin> I can help other times, too, anyone feel free to ping me if needed, on Skype: bevcorwin
21:45:54 <Ian> 4pm ET ok?
21:46:10 <Ian> 5pm ET?
21:46:22 <dorian> i'm pacific
21:46:35 <bevcorwin> I'm Eastern NYC
21:46:58 <Ian> proposed: 15:30-16:40 ET
21:47:01 <Ian> resolved
21:47:05 <bevcorwin> ok
21:47:09 <Ian> rrsagent, make minutes
21:47:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/14-site-design-minutes.html Ian
21:47:14 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
21:47:15 <Zakim> -Bev_Corwin
21:47:16 <Zakim> -Dorian_Taylor
21:47:17 <Zakim> Team_Comm(SITE)4:30PM has ended
21:47:17 <Zakim> Attendees were Troy, Ian, +1.615.500.aaaa, Laura_Creekmore, Bev_Corwin, Dorian_Taylor, [Microsoft]
21:47:19 <Ian> rrsagent, set logs public