IRC log of xproc on 2013-05-08

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Meeting: XML Processing Model WG
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Date: 8 May 2013
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Meeting: 231
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Chair: Norm
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Scribe: Norm
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ScribeNick: Norm
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zakim, jeroen is me
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+Vojtech; got it
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bueller? bueller? bueller? ...
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zakim, ??p17 is ht
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+ht; got it
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Regrets: Jim
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Present: Norm, Vojtech, Henry, Alex
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Norm has changed the topic to: XProc WG
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Topic: Accept this agenda?
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Topic: Accept minutes from the previous meeting?
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Topic: Next meeting: 22 May 2013 (propose to skip 15 May)
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No regrets heard.
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Topic: Review of open action items
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No prorgress reported.
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Topic: Face-to-face meeting in Edinburgh/London in July?
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Some discussion of possible dates.
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Late June works better than July for the folks on the phone.
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Proposal: two or three of the days 26-28 June.
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Works for everyone on the phone.
14:16:16 [alexmilowski]
Sorry, not trying to be difficult.
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I just don't quite know all the constraints.
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Norm: I'll propose that in email; we'll see if we can nail it down firmly or abandon the plans at the next meeting or before the next meeting in email.
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Topic: Use cases/requirements/zip & unzip steps
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Norm: Without Jim we just have to continue those.
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Alex: I'd like to take all the work I did on the old use cases. I could just create the table that I had imagined and give it to the WG.
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Norm: Yes, please do.
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Topic: Bug 21007, errors in 5.8, p:declare-step
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Norm: I think this is editorial; we mean neither and we could make that clearer.
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General agreement.
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ACTION: A-231-01: Norm to propose a resolution for bug 21007.
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Topic: Semantic web step use case
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Norm: I'll put a pointer to Alex's mail on the agenda for next time.
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Alex: We could be publishing steps that use potential V2 features.
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...Is the right way to do that to use the new features or do it with XML.
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Norm: I don't think we'd want to publish a note that uses potential new features.
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Alex: I was thinking the other way around, we could wrap the non-XML in XML for now.
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...Is that the best thing? Down the road it might not be.
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Norm: I think we might be better placed if we could get more V2 prep work done before doing new things like encryption and semantic web steps.
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Topic: Any other business?
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Alex: What are we doing next? There's use case and requirements, there are zip/unzip steps, then we've got features, then we've got more new steps.
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...Even zip/unzip I wonder how that fits in with how we handle non-XML
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...I guess the question is, what's the strategy?
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Norm: We're in a bit of a bind. The charter only lets us work on use cases and requirements for
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...Steps looked like low hanging fruit, but it turns out to be out of reach too.
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Alex: I'd be happier if we actually had a finished use cases and requirements document.
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...And that requires an editor with sufficient time.
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Norm: I don't know how to make this work better.
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Alex: I wonder if there are people in the community who would have more time
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Norm: I don't know. New folks are welcome to join.
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Some discussion of the charter.
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ACTION: A-231-02: Norm to revisit the processing model document with commenters.
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I have made the request to generate Norm
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Attendees were Norm, Vojtech, ht, Alex_Milows
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