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13:56:26 <Norm> Meeting: XML Processing Model WG
13:56:26 <Norm> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2013/05/08-agenda
13:56:26 <Norm> Date: 8 May 2013
13:56:26 <Norm> Meeting: 231
13:56:26 <Norm> Chair: Norm
13:56:26 <Norm> Scribe: Norm
13:56:27 <Norm> ScribeNick: Norm
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14:02:14 <Zakim> +Jeroen
14:02:31 <Vojtech> zakim, jeroen is me
14:02:33 <Zakim> +Vojtech; got it
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14:03:02 <alexmilowski> bueller? bueller? bueller? ...
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14:03:11 <Norm> zakim, ??p17 is ht
14:03:11 <Zakim> +ht; got it
14:04:25 <Zakim> +Alex_Milows
14:04:52 <Norm> Regrets: Jim
14:04:59 <Norm> Present: Norm, Vojtech, Henry, Alex
14:06:19 <Norm> Norm has changed the topic to: XProc WG http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2013/05/08-agenda
14:06:31 <Norm> Topic: Accept this agenda?
14:06:31 <Norm> -> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2013/05/08-agenda
14:06:48 <Norm> Accepted.
14:06:51 <Norm> Topic: Accept minutes from the previous meeting?
14:06:51 <Norm> -> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2013/04/24-minutes
14:07:02 <Norm> Accepted.
14:07:06 <Norm> Topic: Next meeting: 22 May 2013 (propose to skip 15 May)
14:07:21 <Norm> No regrets heard.
14:07:27 <Norm> Topic: Review of open action items
14:07:39 <Norm> No prorgress reported.
14:07:50 <Norm> Topic: Face-to-face meeting in Edinburgh/London in July?
14:10:17 <Norm> Some discussion of possible dates.
14:14:03 <Norm> Late June works better than July for the folks on the phone.
14:14:46 <Norm> Proposal: two or three of the days 26-28 June.
14:15:17 <Norm> Works for everyone on the phone.
14:16:16 <alexmilowski> Sorry, not trying to be difficult.
14:16:35 <alexmilowski> I just don't quite know all the constraints.
14:16:45 <Norm> Norm: I'll propose that in email; we'll see if we can nail it down firmly or abandon the plans at the next meeting or before the next meeting in email.
14:17:04 <Norm> Topic: Use cases/requirements/zip & unzip steps
14:17:19 <Norm> Norm: Without Jim we just have to continue those.
14:18:03 <Norm> Alex: I'd like to take all the work I did on the old use cases. I could just create the table that I had imagined and give it to the WG.
14:18:05 <Norm> Norm: Yes, please do.
14:19:00 <Norm> Topic: Bug 21007, errors in 5.8, p:declare-step
14:19:09 <Norm> -> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21007
14:19:31 <Norm> Norm: I think this is editorial; we mean neither and we could make that clearer.
14:20:08 <Norm> General agreement.
14:20:22 <Norm> ACTION: A-231-01: Norm to propose a resolution for bug 21007.
14:22:30 <Norm> Topic: Semantic web step use case
14:22:37 <Norm> Norm: I'll put a pointer to Alex's mail on the agenda for next time.
14:22:49 <Norm> Alex: We could be publishing steps that use potential V2 features.
14:23:01 <Norm> ...Is the right way to do that to use the new features or do it with XML.
14:23:27 <Norm> Norm: I don't think we'd want to publish a note that uses potential new features.
14:23:41 <Norm> Alex: I was thinking the other way around, we could wrap the non-XML in XML for now.
14:23:53 <Norm> ...Is that the best thing? Down the road it might not be.
14:24:36 <Norm> Norm: I think we might be better placed if we could get more V2 prep work done before doing new things like encryption and semantic web steps.
14:25:04 <Norm> Topic: Any other business?
14:25:33 <Norm> Alex: What are we doing next? There's use case and requirements, there are zip/unzip steps, then we've got features, then we've got more new steps.
14:25:43 <Norm> ...Even zip/unzip I wonder how that fits in with how we handle non-XML
14:25:48 <Norm> ...I guess the question is, what's the strategy?
14:26:07 <Norm> Norm: We're in a bit of a bind. The charter only lets us work on use cases and requirements for V.next.
14:27:01 <Norm> ...Steps looked like low hanging fruit, but it turns out to be out of reach too.
14:27:13 <Norm> Alex: I'd be happier if we actually had a finished use cases and requirements document.
14:27:22 <Norm> ...And that requires an editor with sufficient time.
14:27:44 <Norm> Norm: I don't know how to make this work better.
14:28:38 <Norm> Alex: I wonder if there are people in the community who would have more time
14:28:49 <Norm> Norm: I don't know. New folks are welcome to join.
14:30:10 <Norm> Some discussion of the charter.
14:30:25 <Norm> ACTION: A-231-02: Norm to revisit the processing model document with commenters.
14:30:34 <Norm> Adjourned.
14:30:40 <Zakim> -Norm
14:30:45 <Zakim> -Vojtech
14:30:45 <Norm> rrsagent, set logs world-visible
14:30:46 <Zakim> -Alex_Milows
14:30:49 <Norm> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:30:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/08-xproc-minutes.html Norm
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15:05:01 <Zakim> Attendees were Norm, Vojtech, ht, Alex_Milows
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