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13:25:49 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
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13:25:51 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 7394
13:25:51 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_RDWG()9:30AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
13:25:52 <trackbot> Meeting: Research and Development Working Group Teleconference
13:25:52 <trackbot> Date: 08 May 2013
13:25:54 <sharper> zakim, agenda?
13:25:54 <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda
13:26:01 <sharper> zakim, please clear the agenda
13:26:02 <Zakim> agenda cleared
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13:26:44 <sharper> Chair: Harper_Simon
13:26:45 <sharper> Agenda+ Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments) [sharper]
13:26:45 <sharper> Agenda+ Charter Discussions - Tips for Accessibility-Aware Research: Start-up tips and basic guidance for researchers for incorporating accessibility considerations into their research designs, to be published as a W3C Working Group Note. [@@@ we should discuss this deliverable in more detail -- is it really going to be a W3C Working Group Note or other format? also think it needs a refined description.] (15m)  [sharper]
13:26:46 <sharper> Agenda+ Mobile W3C Note Status (5m)  [sharper]
13:26:46 <sharper> Agenda+ User Modelling Call (10m)  [Yehya/Christos]
13:26:46 <sharper> Agenda+ Easy to Read W3C Note Status -
13:26:46 <sharper> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/2012/easy-to-read/note/ED-E2R.html#C2 (40m) [klaus]
13:26:56 <sharper> zakim, save agenda
13:27:01 <sharper> zakim, take up item 1
13:27:03 <Zakim> ok, sharper, the agenda has been written to http://www.w3.org/2013/05/08-rd-agenda.rdf
13:27:05 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments)" taken up [from sharper]
13:28:27 <sharper> regrets: Markel, Giorgio, Vivienne, Annika, Peter
13:28:37 <sharper> zakim, close item 1
13:28:37 <Zakim> agendum 1, Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments), closed
13:28:37 <sharper> zakim, take up item 2
13:28:39 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
13:28:39 <Zakim> 2. Charter Discussions - Tips for Accessibility-Aware Research: Start-up tips and basic guidance for researchers for incorporating accessibility considerations into their research
13:28:39 <Zakim> ... designs, to be published as a W3C Working Group Note. [@@@ we should discuss this deliverable in more detail -- is it really going to be a W3C Working Group Note or other
13:28:41 <Zakim> ... format? also think it needs a refined description.] (15m)  [from sharper]
13:28:41 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Charter Discussions - Tips for Accessibility-Aware Research: Start-up tips and basic guidance for researchers for incorporating accessibility considerations into their
13:28:41 <Zakim> ... research designs, to be published as a W3C Working Group Note. [@@@ we should discuss this deliverable in more detail -- is it really going to be a W3C Working Group Note or
13:28:43 <Zakim> ... other format? also think it needs a refined description.] (15m) " taken up [from sharper]
13:30:08 <Luz> Luz has joined #rd
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13:32:37 <sharper> zakim, who is on the phone?
13:32:37 <Zakim> WAI_RDWG()9:30AM has not yet started, sharper
13:32:38 <Zakim> On IRC I see Yehya, Luz, yeliz, Zakim, RRSAgent, silvia_mirri, sharper, klaus, nonge_, shadi, Mate, trackbot
13:32:55 <yeliz> zakim, mute me
13:32:55 <Zakim> sorry, yeliz, I don't know what conference this is
13:32:58 <shadi> zakim, this is rdwg
13:32:58 <Zakim> ok, shadi; that matches WAI_RDWG()9:30AM
13:33:09 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
13:33:09 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P10, [IPcaller], [IPcaller.a], Gregg_Vanderheiden, ??P20, Shadi
13:33:09 <Luz> zakim, mute me
13:33:11 <Zakim> sorry, Luz, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
13:33:35 <yeliz> zakim, +Ipcaller is yeliz
13:33:35 <Zakim> sorry, yeliz, I do not recognize a party named '+Ipcaller'
13:33:41 <klaus> zakim, ??P10 is me
13:33:41 <Zakim> +klaus; got it
13:33:49 <Zakim> +Klaus/Johannes/Thomas
13:34:01 <sharper> zakim, ??P20 is sharper
13:34:01 <Zakim> +sharper; got it
13:34:11 <silvia_mirri> I think I'm IPcaller
13:34:12 <Yehya> zakim, Klaus/Johannes/Thomas is me
13:34:12 <Zakim> +Yehya; got it
13:34:24 <yeliz> 41#
13:34:38 <christos> christos has joined #rd
13:34:43 <Zakim> +Mark_Hakkinen
13:35:00 <yeliz> zakim, IPcaller.a is yeliz
13:35:00 <Zakim> +yeliz; got it
13:35:01 <shadi> zakim, who is making noise?
13:35:05 <yeliz> zakim, mute me
13:35:05 <Zakim> yeliz should now be muted
13:35:07 <Zakim> +??P22
13:35:12 <Zakim> shadi, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: yeliz (19%), Gregg_Vanderheiden (9%), sharper (9%)
13:35:15 <silvia_mirri> zakim, mute me
13:35:15 <Zakim> sorry, silvia_mirri, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
13:35:15 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
13:35:17 <Zakim> On the phone I see klaus, [IPcaller], yeliz (muted), Gregg_Vanderheiden, sharper, Shadi, Yehya, Mark_Hakkinen, ??P22
13:35:28 <christos> zakim, ??P22 is me
13:35:28 <Zakim> +christos; got it
13:35:58 <silvia_mirri> zakim, IPcaller is me
13:35:58 <Zakim> +silvia_mirri; got it
13:36:04 <Luz> zakim, Gregg_Vanderheiden is me
13:36:04 <Zakim> +Luz; got it
13:36:14 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
13:36:14 <Zakim> On the phone I see klaus, silvia_mirri, yeliz (muted), Luz, sharper, Shadi, Yehya, Mark_Hakkinen, christos
13:36:19 <silvia_mirri> zakim, mute me
13:36:19 <Zakim> silvia_mirri should now be muted
13:36:20 <Luz> zakim, mute me
13:36:20 <Zakim> Luz should now be muted
13:36:28 <klaus> zakim, mute me
13:36:28 <Zakim> klaus should now be muted
13:36:30 <Luz> It was me. My line is not good.
13:37:01 <sharper> - <http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/scribes>
13:37:43 <yeliz> I can do it
13:37:47 <shadi> zakim, who is making noise?
13:37:57 <Zakim> shadi, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: sharper (24%), christos (92%)
13:38:04 <yeliz> but there still noise
13:38:16 <christos> zakim, mute me\
13:38:16 <Zakim> sorry, christos, I do not know which phone connection belongs to me\
13:38:18 <christos> zakim, mute me
13:38:18 <Zakim> christos should now be muted
13:38:52 <yeliz> Agenda item: Charter Discussions - Tips for Accessibility-Aware Research: Start-up tips and basic guidance for researchers for incorporating accessibility considerations into their research designs, to be published as a W3C Working Group Note. [@@@ we should discuss this deliverable in more detail -- is it really going to be a W3C Working Group Note or other format? also think it needs a refined description.] (15m)  [sharper]
13:38:59 <mhakkinen> mhakkinen has joined #rd
13:39:12 <yeliz> SH: Both Judy Brewer and David Sloan are interested in this
13:39:23 <yeliz> SH: Do people think it is a good idea to keep this in the charter
13:39:24 <yeliz> ?
13:39:37 <yeliz> SH: Do you think we can say that we cannot achieve it?
13:39:38 <christos> +1
13:39:39 <mhakkinen> +1
13:39:39 <Luz> +1
13:39:41 <silvia_mirri> +1
13:39:41 <klaus> +1
13:39:42 <yeliz> If you want to keep it, please +1
13:39:45 <sharper> +1
13:39:46 <Yehya> +1
13:39:47 <shadi> +1
13:39:48 <yeliz> +1
13:40:08 <mhakkinen> +q
13:40:17 <sharper> ack m
13:40:21 <yeliz> SH: We want to keep it, I will work on the wording, and we will start to have something by monday which is good
13:40:22 <sharper> ack mh
13:40:50 <shadi> q- ipcaller.a
13:40:52 <shadi> queue=
13:40:57 <yeliz> Markue: I did a presentaton/CHI abstract which is published related to this
13:41:24 <yeliz> M: There were people from CHI community who did attend to my presentation
13:41:40 <yeliz> SH: any comments? Shall we move on to next item?
13:42:07 <yeliz> zakim, unmute me
13:42:07 <Zakim> yeliz should no longer be muted
13:42:19 <sharper> zakim, close item 2
13:42:19 <Zakim> agendum 2, Charter Discussions - Tips for Accessibility-Aware Research: Start-up tips and basic guidance for researchers for incorporating accessibility considerations into their
13:42:19 <sharper> zakim, take up item 3
13:42:22 <Zakim> ... research designs, to be published as a W3C Working Group Note. [@@@ we should discuss this deliverable in more detail -- is it really going to be a W3C Working Group Note or
13:42:22 <Zakim> ... other format? also think it needs a refined description.] (15m) , closed
13:42:22 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
13:42:22 <Zakim> 3. Mobile W3C Note Status (5m)  [from sharper]
13:42:22 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Mobile W3C Note Status (5m) " taken up [from sharper]
13:42:25 <mhakkinen> CHI 2004 abstract : http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=985921.986163&coll=DL&dl=GUIDE&CFID=215429613&CFTOKEN=46481091
13:42:46 <yeliz> zakim, mute me
13:42:46 <Zakim> yeliz should now be muted
13:43:18 <yeliz> SH: Mobile web status? Only people who responded are Jan Richards,
13:43:55 <yeliz> SH: Lots of comments on typographical mistakes, etc., it should take half a day to fix them
13:44:03 <yeliz> SH: and then it can go to public domain
13:44:12 <yeliz> SH: and we will be able to take it public, wider review
13:44:21 <yeliz> ..and not much to say about the note
13:45:00 <yeliz> SAZ: I haven't had time to look at this
13:45:07 <yeliz> zakim, close item 3
13:45:07 <Zakim> agendum 3, Mobile W3C Note Status (5m) , closed
13:45:08 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
13:45:08 <Zakim> 4. User Modelling Call (10m)  [from Yehya/Christos via sharper]
13:45:14 <yeliz> zakim, take up item 4
13:45:14 <Zakim> agendum 4. "User Modelling Call (10m) " taken up [from Yehya/Christos via sharper]
13:45:43 <yeliz> Yehya: UM - we have invited people to our scientific community, only 3 people accepted, I have talked to few other people
13:45:56 <christos> zakim, ack me
13:45:56 <Zakim> unmuting christos
13:45:58 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
13:46:09 <yeliz> ...Christos have improved the call and the website to address Vivien's comments
13:46:20 <christos> zakim, ack me
13:46:20 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
13:46:37 <christos> can you hear me?
13:46:48 <sharper> zakim, who is making noise?
13:46:55 <christos> zakim, unmute me
13:46:55 <Zakim> christos was not muted, christos
13:47:01 <Zakim> sharper, listening for 12 seconds I could not identify any sounds
13:47:12 <christos> problems
13:47:19 <sharper> zakim, who is making noise?
13:47:24 <christos> I am now workinf on shawns comments
13:47:32 <Zakim> sharper, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: Yehya (12%), sharper (45%), christos (68%)
13:47:34 <yeliz> Yehya: how can we make the call site publicly available?
13:47:41 <christos> i believe by tomorrow will be ok
13:47:43 <yeliz> Yehya: how can we proceed?
13:47:59 <christos> zakim, mute me
13:47:59 <Zakim> christos should now be muted
13:48:11 <yeliz> SH: Deadline is coming up for paper submission, right?
13:48:32 <yeliz> SH: we have to release it asap, right? as the deadline is approaching...
13:48:55 <yeliz> Yeyha: we need to release the call, we will actually need to make the website public
13:49:02 <yeliz> Yehya: who is responsible from this?
13:49:12 <sharper> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Distribution_Lists
13:49:18 <yeliz> SH: we need people to distribute the call to our distribution list
13:49:24 <christos> and also I wanted to ask if we are going to have a conference handling system...?
13:49:26 <yeliz> SH: we need to get going with this
13:49:46 <christos> something like openconf?
13:50:00 <yeliz> SH: Shadi, we need to proceed with this? How do we procced it now? Cordination group has not sent any comments
13:50:30 <yeliz> SAZ: cordination group is ok with the topic but they do not look at the details. Shawn send some comments but detailed.
13:50:50 <yeliz> SH: I think it is ready, especially the mail call is very widely read, and it is ready
13:51:25 <yeliz> SH: Some of us will be at W4A, and we need to release the call asap
13:51:51 <christos> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Call_for_Papers:_User_Modelling_for_Accessibility_(UM4A)_Online_Symposium_15_July_2013
13:51:54 <yeliz> SAZ: we need to check the call, and detailed editing comments need to be given
13:52:05 <christos> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/CfP_Email:_User_Modelling_for_Accessibility_(UM4A)
13:52:11 <yeliz> ...before it is released to public
13:52:42 <christos> zakim, ack mehttp://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/CfP_Email:_User_Modelling_for_Accessibility_(UM4A)
13:52:42 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
13:52:46 <yeliz> SH: The email link is empty, I guess you send us the wrong URL
13:52:53 <christos> it has the )
13:52:55 <mhakkinen> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/CfP_Email:_User_Modelling_for_Accessibility_(UM4A)
13:52:56 <christos> in the end
13:53:01 <yeliz> ...Can you please send us another link
13:53:09 <Yehya> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/CfP_Email:_User_Modelling_for_Accessibility_%28UM4A%29
13:53:14 <christos> just write the )  in the end of the url
13:53:42 <yeliz> SH: Can we all look at the email?
13:54:14 <christos> yes...
13:54:26 <yeliz> SAZ: I think Shawn said that this call does not talk about what user modelling is
13:54:32 <sharper> correct 'User Modelling fro Accessibility'
13:54:33 <yeliz> Yehya: I remember this
13:54:34 <christos> zakim, ack me
13:54:34 <Zakim> unmuting christos
13:54:35 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
13:55:18 <yeliz> Christos: Yes, there was a comment like that, and there are other comments like making the CFP simpler, I was planning to look at them
13:55:27 <yeliz> Christos: I haven't addressed them yet
13:55:32 <yeliz> ...I was on holiday
13:55:37 <sharper> also correct on main text 'See the mainUser Modeling for Accessibility Symposium page for B'
13:55:46 <yeliz> ...may be I can send an email when I complete my updates to the list?
13:57:06 <yeliz> SH: If you can send an email to the mailing list Christos when you finish? and me and Shadi can give you comments on Friday morning so that you can release by Friday afternoon
13:57:31 <yeliz> I don't see any problems with this...
13:57:36 <yeliz> any comments?
13:57:46 <christos> zakim, mute me
13:57:46 <Zakim> christos should now be muted
13:57:48 <yeliz> SAZ: I am wondering how many people reviewed it in detail?
13:57:57 <yeliz> SAZ: or are we assuming that silence is OK?
13:58:15 <yeliz> SH: I read it in detail and I asume everybody read it
13:58:39 <Zakim> -silvia_mirri
13:58:41 <yeliz> Yehya: Giorgio, Vivienne, and Shawn, and also Silvia
13:58:54 <yeliz> also said they want to participate in the scientific committee
13:59:32 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
13:59:36 <yeliz> SAZ: I think we might have a procedural issue here? We need to make sure that it is accepted by the group.
13:59:50 <silvia_mirri> yes, sorry I've got trouble with my connection and now I'm online again
14:00:07 <yeliz> SH: It is been out and we have discussed it 3 times in the group, and I said please give comments about it
14:00:27 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
14:00:46 <yeliz> SAZ: we usually have balloting, wbs, and people submit yes/no
14:00:58 <yeliz> and gets them really read what they are approving
14:01:09 <mhakkinen> +1 to Shadi's comment re WBS usage
14:01:12 <yeliz> do we need to adapt timeline accordingly
14:01:44 <yeliz> SAZ: is it something we want to do? or pushing the timeline further ...
14:01:49 <christos> zakim, ack me
14:01:49 <Zakim> unmuting christos
14:01:51 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
14:02:07 <yeliz> SH: a month would work, and I think if it is released next week, we can postpone te submission date a week
14:02:19 <yeliz> Yehya, Christos: we can postpone it one week
14:02:46 <yeliz> SAZ: we have 3 people in SC, we need more people, so we are behind the detals
14:03:06 <yeliz> Yehya: there are 5 people from the group, and we have 3 outside the group
14:03:20 <yeliz> SAZ: 8 is fine, I did not understand that
14:03:48 <yeliz> SAZ: I will be happy to get it out by Monday
14:04:08 <yeliz> but we need to get at least Shawn's comments integrated, Monday is very tight
14:04:09 <yeliz> !
14:04:22 <yeliz> SH: I think we should be shooting for it
14:04:59 <yeliz> SH: if you can make those changes Christos, and if we can read it, then at least we can try to release it on Monday
14:04:59 <christos> zakim, ack me
14:04:59 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
14:05:11 <yeliz> Christos: he will try to complete his changes by the end of today
14:05:26 <yeliz> Yehya: we will have a mature version by the end of tomorrow
14:05:55 <yeliz> SH: Can you please send it to Shawn when you complete your changes, so we don't have to wait
14:06:00 <yeliz> SH: any other comments?
14:06:18 <yeliz> zakim, close item 4
14:06:18 <Zakim> agendum 4, User Modelling Call (10m) , closed
14:06:19 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
14:06:19 <Zakim> 5. Easy to Read W3C Note Status - [from sharper]
14:06:27 <yeliz> zakim, take up 5
14:06:27 <Zakim> I don't understand 'take up 5', yeliz
14:06:38 <yeliz> zakim, take up item 5
14:06:38 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Easy to Read W3C Note Status -" taken up [from sharper]
14:06:57 <shadi> "we also aim to suggest future research agendas"
14:07:42 <christos> zakim, mute me
14:07:42 <Zakim> christos should now be muted
14:07:56 <shadi> "governance"
14:08:05 <yeliz> SAZ: You need to be careful with the wording, and not to raise the expectations too high
14:08:28 <yeliz> SAZ: some terms are very jargony like "governance"
14:08:33 <Zakim> -Mark_Hakkinen
14:08:56 <yeliz> SAZ: you need to make it clear to other people who are not in the field
14:09:09 <yeliz> Yehya: Can I refer to a white paper to define terms?
14:09:22 <Zakim> +??P2
14:09:23 <yeliz> SAZ: the abstract and the introduction should be self-explanatory
14:09:51 <yeliz> SAZ: you can link additional resources to Wiki page, but the abstract and the introduction should be easy to read
14:10:02 <yeliz> Yehya: I will edit and make sure it is easy to read
14:10:10 <klaus> zakim, unmute me
14:10:10 <Zakim> klaus should no longer be muted
14:10:20 <klaus> zakim, mute me
14:10:20 <Zakim> klaus should now be muted
14:10:35 <sharper> +1
14:10:38 <yeliz> SH: Who has read it?
14:10:40 <klaus> +1 (-:#
14:10:52 <shadi> (not fully)
14:10:56 <shadi> +0.25
14:11:22 <yeliz> SH: I think we need to all read it so that we can discuss it
14:11:26 <klaus> queue +
14:11:30 <yeliz> SH: lets cancel the next weeks call
14:11:36 <klaus> zakim, unmute me
14:11:36 <Zakim> klaus should no longer be muted
14:11:39 <yeliz> and please use the next weeks one hour to read it
14:12:15 <shadi> +1
14:12:19 <Luz> +1
14:12:21 <sharper> +1
14:12:21 <klaus> zakim, mute me
14:12:21 <Zakim> klaus should now be muted
14:12:24 <yeliz> Klaus: when people have comments, please send them via email, so I can create a list of items that need to be discussed
14:12:24 <shadi> +1 to sending comments ahead of time
14:12:25 <yeliz> +1
14:12:28 <silvia_mirri> +1
14:12:45 <yeliz> Klaus: Please send your comments ahead of time
14:13:24 <yeliz> SH: is there any other comments?
14:13:30 <yeliz> SH: Thanks everybody
14:13:39 <Luz> :)
14:13:47 <shadi> :)
14:13:51 <silvia_mirri> have fun in Rio!
14:13:51 <yeliz> SH: I will see you at W4A
14:13:59 <yeliz> byee
14:13:59 <klaus> bye
14:14:00 <silvia_mirri> bye
14:14:01 <Zakim> -sharper
14:14:02 <Zakim> -Shadi
14:14:02 <Zakim> -Yehya
14:14:03 <Luz> Bye  bye
14:14:07 <Zakim> -klaus
14:14:10 <Zakim> -Luz
14:14:15 <Zakim> -yeliz
14:14:29 <Zakim> -christos
14:14:49 <sharper> sharper has left #rd
14:20:26 <shadi> trackbot, end meeting
14:20:26 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
14:20:26 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Shadi, klaus, sharper, Yehya, Mark_Hakkinen, yeliz, christos, silvia_mirri, Luz, [IPcaller]
14:20:34 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:20:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/08-rd-minutes.html trackbot
14:20:35 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
14:20:35 <RRSAgent> I see no action items