07:03:30 RRSAgent has joined #mlw-lt 07:03:31 logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/05/08-mlw-lt-irc 07:03:36 meeting: MLW-LT f2f 07:03:59 chair: felix 07:04:01 Ankit has joined #mlw-lt 07:04:07 agenda: http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/BledMay2013#Wednesday 07:04:52 present: ankit(IRC), tadej, karl, yves, felix, jirka, milan, pedro, pablo, mauricio, david, dave, phil, arle 07:05:04 topic: agenda review 07:05:06 looking at http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/BledMay2013#Wednesday 07:05:56 sure 07:10:04 mdelolmo has joined #mlw-lt 07:12:55 daveL has joined #mlw-lt 07:13:27 present+ DaveLewis 07:17:38 Yves_ has joined #mlw-lt 07:17:42 present+ mdelolmo 07:17:43 Jirka has joined #mlw-lt 07:17:49 present+ Yves 07:17:52 kfritsche has joined #mlw-lt 07:18:07 philr has joined #mlw-lt 07:18:15 present+ philr 07:18:34 present+ Karl 07:18:50 topic: usage in html 07:18:51 http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#usage-in-html 07:19:28 "The Translate data category has a direct counterpart in [HTML5], namely the HTML5 translate attribute. ITS 2.0 does not define its own behaviour for HTML5 translate, but just refers to the HTML5 definition." 07:20:01 http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#EX-its-and-existing-HTML5-markup 07:21:03 Milan has joined #mlw-lt 07:22:01 pnietoca has joined #mlw-lt 07:22:39 topic: text analysis section 07:22:49 http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#textanalysis-implementation 07:22:59 "This specification defines a normative way to represent text analysis information in XML and HTML locally. However, text analysis information can also be represented in other formats, e.g. JSON. The Internationalization Tag Set Interest Group maintains a description of such alternative serializations. Readers of this specification are encouraged to evaluate whether that description fulfills their needs and to provide comments in the ITS IG mailing list (p[CUT] 07:23:33 http://www.w3.org/International/its/wiki/Text_Analysis_serializations 07:26:38 daveL: serializations are different to mappings and ontology transformations 07:28:44 topic: rdf ontology 07:33:04 sebastian has joined #mlw-lt 07:33:41 http://www.w3.org/International/its/wiki/ITS-RDF_mapping 07:35:22 fsasaki: any other comments? 07:35:36 daveL: stability of NIF? 07:36:05 now discussing comments from Sebastian, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013May/0074.html 07:36:11 ...are there still ongoing changes? 07:36:46 sebastian: there will be versioning, for now 1.0 release which would then be stable 07:37:18 ...ontology 1.0, NIF 2.0 07:37:44 http://persistence.uni-leipzig.org/nlp2rdf/ontologies/nif-core/version-1.0/nif-core.owl 07:38:12 http://www.w3.org/TR/its20/ 07:38:41 latest version link? 07:38:43 Pedro has joined #mlw-lt 07:38:45 http://persistence.uni-leipzig.org/nlp2rdf/ontologies/nif-core# 07:38:55 curl http://persistence.uni-leipzig.org/nlp2rdf/ontologies/nif-core# 07:39:25 sebastian: url will redirect to latest version 07:40:28 https://github.com/NLP2RDF/java-maven/blob/master/core/nif/src/main/java/org/nlp2rdf/core/NIFOntClasses.java 07:41:55 daveL: looking at chain of references from wiki 07:42:57 ...make sure people accessing through ITS know the correct place to go and where to see updates 07:43:02 action: felix to add ITS ontology reference(s) to the spec, referring to wiki / ontology namespace, ... 07:43:02 Created ACTION-514 - Add ITS ontology reference(s) to the spec, referring to wiki / ontology namespace, ... [on Felix Sasaki - due 2013-05-15]. 07:43:20 http://nlp2rdf.org/nif-1-0 07:43:35 http://persistence.uni-leipzig.org/nlp2rdf/ontologies/nif-core# 07:44:06 http://persistence.uni-leipzig.org/nlp2rdf/ontologies/nif-core# -> HTML 07:44:15 www.w3.org/2005/11/its/rdf# 07:44:29 ...maintain a link at the University of Leipzig persistent url 07:44:53 curl -H "Accept: text/html" http://persistence.uni-leipzig.org/nlp2rdf/ontologies/nif-core# 07:45:18 -> HTML landing page -> ontology documentation in HTML , NIF 2.0 standard document 07:45:56 http://www.w3.org/2005/11/its/rdf-content/its-rdf.html 07:46:39 http://persistence.uni-leipzig.org/nlp2rdf/ontologies/nif-core# is the most important 07:46:41 url 07:46:45 NIF reference http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#NIF 07:46:50 sebastian: ontology url is the most important as it then points to other documentation 07:48:33 version numbers would probably drift apart again even if started the same 07:48:43 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013May/0074.html 07:49:01 tadej has joined #mlw-lt 07:49:19 fsasaki: please introduce your comments sebastian 07:50:23 @en 07:51:50 daveL: assumption is that no datatype means string 07:51:53 http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#datacategories-overview 07:51:59 ...this would allow the language tag 07:52:58 action: daveL to check where we need language tag in its ontology 07:52:59 scribe: philr 07:52:59 Created ACTION-515 - Check where we need language tag in its ontology [on David Lewis - due 2013-05-15]. 07:55:03 taClassRef="http://www.w3.org/2002/07/owl#ObjectProperty">spokeswoman 07:56:29 Houston Airports spokeswoman Marlene McClinton . 07:57:22 itsrdf:taPropRef 07:59:06 tadej: reservations about this being an optimal serialization 08:02:26 ...need a way to identify the subject, object and predicate 08:02:57 dbpedia:George_Bush_Intercontinental_Airport rln-ont:spokesman rln-res:Marlene_McClinton . 08:03:42 itsrdf:taIdentRef dbpedia:George_Bush_Intercontinental_Airport . 08:05:31 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/08-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki 08:07:58 tadej: I think the proposal for "Change 3" is fine 08:11:28 fsasaki: can give some guidence on how to handle different situations 08:12:47 ...volunteer to follow-up on Change 3? 08:13:21 ...put some guidence into the ITS ontology 08:14:00 http://www.w3.org/International/its/wiki/ITS-RDF_mapping 08:15:11 http://www.w3.org/2005/11/its/rdf# 08:15:40 tadej_ has joined #mlw-lt 08:16:19 action: felix to move http://www.w3.org/2005/11/its/rdf-content/its-rdf.rdf to github - but where 08:16:19 Created ACTION-516 - Move http://www.w3.org/2005/11/its/rdf-content/its-rdf.rdf to github - but where [on Felix Sasaki - due 2013-05-15]. 08:17:14 action: felix to make changes 4-5 at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013May/0074.html 08:17:14 Created ACTION-517 - Make changes 4-5 at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013May/0074.html [on Felix Sasaki - due 2013-05-15]. 08:17:49 itsrdf:xpath2nif 08:17:59 nif:convertedFrom 08:18:13 replace itsrdf:xpath2nif with nif:convertedFrom 08:19:16 http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#conversion-to-nif 08:20:29 "STEP 4 (optional): Serialize as XML or as RDF. The list with the XPath-to-text mapping can also be kept in memory. Part of a serialization example is given below." below that step explain that the example following consists of XML and RDF 08:23:33 topic: ITS XLIFF 08:23:34 http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#its-and-xliff 08:26:36 action: felix to subscribe everybody on the ITS IG list 08:26:36 Created ACTION-518 - Subscribe everybody on the ITS IG list [on Felix Sasaki - due 2013-05-15]. 08:51:48 mdelolmo has joined #mlw-lt 08:58:52 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/08-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki 09:00:10 topic: action item review 09:00:11 https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/open 09:01:07 action-310? 09:01:07 ACTION-310 -- David Lewis to go through the document and check data category naming (capital first letter plus hyperlink) -- due 2013-04-15 -- OPEN 09:01:07 http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/310 09:15:52 close action-504 09:15:52 Closed ACTION-504 Review draft for XLIFF mapping. 09:18:32 topic: minutes from yesterday 09:18:32 http://www.w3.org/2013/05/07-mlw-lt-minutes 09:20:05 topic: karl's demo 09:20:05 http://attrib.org/jquery-its-example/ 09:26:58 Example source code: https://github.com/attrib/jquery-its-example 09:27:52 Current released: https://github.com/attrib/jquery-its2 09:28:17 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/08-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki 09:31:35 topic: pedro's demo for content authoring support 09:35:36 Arle has joined #mlw-lt 09:37:00 part of rome workshop presentation, see http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/rome/slides/06-diez.pdf 09:38:35 Milan has joined #mlw-lt 09:40:06 topic: where to put things? 09:40:16 http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/WD-mlw-metadata-us-impl-20130307/ 09:46:41 banner at the top: implementers, users, usage scenarios 09:47:19 three banners like at http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/ 09:50:57 have three tier layout at http://www.w3.org/International/its/ig/ 09:51:24 also update http://www.w3.org/International/its/ to mention ITS2 09:54:09 topic: upcoming meeting planning 09:54:18 http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/EventSchedule 09:56:32 september frankfurt (tbc) 09:56:53 25-26 November, or 26-27 November in Madrid 09:57:22 topic: meeting setup 09:57:27 see proposal from Pedro at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013May/0079.html 09:58:42 beyond 2013 - point people to http://www.w3.org/International/its/wiki/Main_Page 10:03:44 action: felix to check about meeting schedule for september + november - due 10 May 10:03:44 Created ACTION-519 - check about meeting schedule for september + november [on Felix Sasaki - due 2013-05-10]. 10:06:15 action: felix to check 16-17 september in Walldorf including whether we can open up the meeting 10:06:15 Created ACTION-520 - Check 16-17 september in Walldorf including whether we can open up the meeting [on Felix Sasaki - due 2013-05-15]. 10:10:01 s/16-17/18-19/ 10:13:54 action: felix to check "ITS teaching" in HTML5 10:13:55 Created ACTION-521 - Check "ITS teaching" in HTML5 [on Felix Sasaki - due 2013-05-15]. 10:14:04 s/HTML5/W3C/ 10:17:26 action: jirka to put ITS2 content to web platform dot org after we have reached PR / PR - due 1 October 10:17:26 Created ACTION-522 - put ITS2 content to web platform dot org after we have reached PR / PR [on Jirka Kosek - due 2013-10-01]. 10:19:06 action: arle to create content describing ITS2 for http://www.gala-global.org/gala-standards-initiative pitching for the LSPs 10:19:06 Created ACTION-523 - Create content describing ITS2 for http://www.gala-global.org/gala-standards-initiative pitching for the LSPs [on Arle Lommel - due 2013-05-15]. 10:19:18 topic: ITS" in Gala 10:19:25 s/"/2 10:23:12 topic: ITS 2.0 logo 10:28:03 topic: ITS2 spec progress 10:28:21 next week wednesday call, decide to publish new "last call" draft 10:29:45 http://htmlpreview.github.io/?https://raw.github.com/finnle/ITS-2.0-Testsuite/master/its2.0/testSuiteDashboard.html 10:30:58 http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/process.html#cfr 10:31:34 publish 14 June PR draft. then 4 weeks review. 10:31:45 final ITS2 spec mid July or end of July 11:38:25 tadej has joined #mlw-lt 11:38:31 fsasaki has joined #mlw-lt 11:39:03 mdelolmo has joined #mlw-lt 11:39:33 no problem.. 11:41:55 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/08-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki 11:46:35 pnietoca has joined #mlw-lt 11:49:58 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/08-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki 11:55:21 topic: deliverables 11:55:23 http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/Deliverables 11:55:40 Milan has joined #mlw-lt 11:58:02 ankit reporting on deep web training 11:58:07 ankit: planning to finish in august 11:58:26 .. will show at FEISGILTT progress 11:58:34 .. MT training with two language pairs 11:58:42 .. german-spanish, spanish-english 11:58:43 Jirka has joined #mlw-lt 11:59:02 .. will show whether we can use ITS data to train translation model / language model 11:59:23 .. looking on hiring an intern to work on this 12:01:46 dave: how do you use ITS markup during training? filtering training corpora based on markup or using markup insdie the training corpora? 12:02:17 ankit: two steps - just use for e.g. domain tuning. next step, e.g. terminology and translate tags: these are used during translation model training 12:02:30 .. main goal is to use ITS tags inside training 12:02:36 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/08-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki 12:04:03 mt service discussion - service will run by 22 may 12:04:10 http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/Deliverables 12:05:17 pablo: D4.2.1 and D4.2.2 - plan to finish by the end of June 12:09:05 leroy has joined #mlw-lt 12:09:47 felix: will schedule a call early may. You then can get feedback on current state of D4.2.1 and D4.2.2 . Need to get draft showcase and draft report by then. 12:11:13 present+ leroy 12:14:41 D3.1.5 "Report on LT-Web Processing in the CMS" 12:15:07 D3.2.3 "Report on Showcases" - VistaTEC 12:15:16 s/CMS"/CMS" - Cocomore 12:15:34 D4.2.2 Report on Online MT System - Linguaserve 12:18:37 template for reports http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/File:Lt-web_deliverables-template.docx 12:19:39 Pedro has joined #mlw-lt 12:29:43 felix: for june f2f goal is to have three summary reports in draft stage. All should contain information about state of implementations. In june f2f we will just look at the summary reports to judge what implemnetation is on track 12:37:33 mdelolmo has joined #mlw-lt 12:38:35 felix: please make sure that you can do the committments done in the gdocs (sent link offline) 12:41:38 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Team/multilingualweb-lt-partners/2013May/0002.html 12:41:38 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/08-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki 12:46:10 action: arle to add a paragraph about the ITS2 showcase to the rome report 12:46:10 Created ACTION-524 - Add a paragraph about the ITS2 showcase to the rome report [on Arle Lommel - due 2013-05-15]. 12:47:48 https://www.wuala.com/fsasaki/Documents/projects/lt-web/meetings/mlw-rome_review_lux-march2013/?key=74zYBbxfHd1n 12:47:59 Arle has joined #mlw-lt 12:48:30 action: felix to add workshho hp links to deliverables page 12:48:30 Created ACTION-525 - Add workshho hp links to deliverables page [on Felix Sasaki - due 2013-05-15]. 12:49:18 http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/Deliverables#Milestones 12:52:30 go to meetingcall has cut out 12:55:23 http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/CR-html5-20121217/dom.html#phrasing-content-1 12:55:23 topic: changes for translate and elements within text 12:55:26 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/08-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki 12:55:39 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/dom.html#the-translate-attribute 12:57:22 http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#datacategories-overview 12:57:27 see the "translate" cell with info about html5 12:58:41 http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#html5-translate-handling 12:58:57 about elements within text: For XML content: withinText="no". For HTML5 phrasing content: withinText="yes". 12:59:09 html5 phrasing content: http://www.w3.org/TR/html51/dom.html#phrasing-content-1 13:08:29 action: arle to check logo "contest" options 13:08:29 Created ACTION-526 - Check logo "contest" options [on Arle Lommel - due 2013-05-15]. 13:08:56 http://r65.cooltext.com/rendered/cooltext1023889160.gif 13:20:27 http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/Use_cases_-_high_level_summary 13:22:44 Jirka has left #mlw-lt 13:22:58 I'm logging. I don't understand 'draft minute', fsasaki. Try /msg RRSAgent help 13:22:59 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/08-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki 13:34:33 present+ shaun(implementers-session), philippe(implementers-session) 13:34:34 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/08-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki