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13:35:55 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DAP
13:35:55 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 25 minutes
13:35:56 <trackbot> Meeting: Device APIs Working Group Teleconference
13:35:56 <trackbot> Date: 08 May 2013
13:36:05 <fjh> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013May/0011.html
13:36:34 <fjh> fjh has changed the topic to: dap 3279  ; agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013May/0011.html
13:37:06 <fjh> Regrets+ Dominique_Hazael-Massieux
13:37:14 <fjh> Present+ Frederick_Hirsch
13:37:23 <fjh> Chair: Frederick_Hirsch
13:55:30 <Zakim> UW_DAP()10:00AM has now started
13:55:37 <Zakim> +Josh_Soref
13:55:46 <Josh_Soref> scribe: Josh_Soref
13:56:52 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
13:56:58 <fjh> zakim, [IPcaller] is me
13:56:58 <Zakim> +fjh; got it
13:57:03 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
13:57:03 <Zakim> On the phone I see Josh_Soref, fjh
13:57:04 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, fjh, anssik, Josh_Soref, trackbot, slightlyoff, mounir
13:57:14 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, mute me
13:57:15 <Zakim> Josh_Soref should now be muted
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14:01:12 <dcheng3> Present+ Diana_Cheng
14:01:51 <Zakim> + +1.858.750.aaaa
14:02:03 <fjh> zakim, where is 858?
14:02:03 <Zakim> North American dialing code 1.858 is California
14:02:08 <gmandyam> Zakim, aaaa is gmandyam
14:02:08 <Zakim> +gmandyam; got it
14:02:31 <Zakim> -gmandyam
14:02:48 <Zakim> +gmandyam
14:03:04 <Josh_Soref> RRSAgent, draft minutes
14:03:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/08-dap-minutes.html Josh_Soref
14:03:17 <Josh_Soref> RRSAgent, make logs public
14:03:18 <Josh_Soref> RRSAgent, draft minutes
14:03:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/08-dap-minutes.html Josh_Soref
14:03:42 <fjh> Topic: Administrative and Announcements
14:03:51 <fjh> Reminder, June F2F has been canceled, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Mar/0035.html
14:04:19 <Zakim> +??P27
14:04:27 <Milan_Patel> Present+ Milan_Patel
14:04:38 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, ??p27 is Milan_Patel
14:04:38 <Zakim> +Milan_Patel; got it
14:04:54 <fjh> fjh: Dom has added new comma tool;  ,diff now creates diff against previous version. Nice!
14:05:19 <Josh_Soref> topic: Minutes approval
14:05:37 <Josh_Soref> RESOLUTION: Approve minutes from 24 April 2013
14:05:43 <fjh> Approve minutes from 24 April 2013
14:05:43 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Apr/att-0058/minutes-2013-04-24.html
14:05:55 <Josh_Soref> s/RESOLUTION: Approve minutes from 24 April 2013/RESOLUTION: Minutes from 24 April 2013 are approved/
14:06:05 <Josh_Soref> topic: Shelving Web Intents, Web Intents Addendum, Pick Media Intent, Pick Contacts intent
14:06:10 <Josh_Soref> fjh: i'm loath to shelve
14:06:24 <Josh_Soref> ... i've been trying to get visibility into the implementation from the implementers
14:06:29 <Josh_Soref> ... but i haven't been able to
14:06:34 <Josh_Soref> ... i think they need to be shelved
14:06:48 <Josh_Soref> ... jungkee sent a message to the members list about working at it at TPAC
14:07:00 <Josh_Soref> ... i know dcheng3 supported shelving
14:07:03 <Josh_Soref> Josh_Soref: i support shelving
14:07:11 <Josh_Soref> fjh: i'm going to send out a CfC for shelving
14:07:22 <fjh> action: fjh to send CfC re shelving Web Intents, Web Intents Addendum, Pick Media Intent, Pick Contacts intent
14:07:22 <trackbot> Created ACTION-630 - Send CfC re shelving Web Intents, Web Intents Addendum, Pick Media Intent, Pick Contacts intent [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2013-05-15].
14:07:34 <Josh_Soref> topic: TPAC F2F
14:07:38 <fjh> Scheduled F2F at TPAC (Shenzhen China), Thur/Fri 14-15 November
14:07:46 <Josh_Soref> q+ to note that MC TF wants time from our time
14:07:58 <Josh_Soref> fjh: We're considering having a 1/2 day w/ MC TF
14:08:06 <Josh_Soref> ... likely to do that during Thu/Fri
14:08:12 <Josh_Soref> ... that's what the chairs are proposing
14:08:17 <Josh_Soref> ... i'd suggest meeting Thu/Fri
14:08:20 <Josh_Soref> s/Thur/Thu/
14:08:30 <Josh_Soref> ... it isn't clear what we're going to need
14:08:38 <Josh_Soref> ... if we do the MC TF, we'll probably have enough material
14:08:42 <Josh_Soref> ... that's the tentative plan
14:08:46 <fjh> http://www.w3.org/2013/11/TPAC/
14:08:46 <Josh_Soref> q- Josh_Soref
14:08:57 <fjh> TPAC Visa requirements
14:09:12 <Josh_Soref> ... it looks like you'll need to declare your hotel
14:09:17 <Josh_Soref> ... and you need the invitation letter
14:09:25 <Josh_Soref> ... i haven't started the process of getting visas
14:09:31 <Josh_Soref> ... i'll followup and try to share info on the list
14:09:38 <Josh_Soref> ... anssik isn't on the call
14:09:44 <Josh_Soref> topic: Editor Updates: Proximity, Light, Vibration
14:09:50 <Josh_Soref> fjh: anssik has done a bunch of edits
14:09:56 <Josh_Soref> ... i think he backed out a change he was going to make
14:09:57 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013May/0007.html (Anssi)
14:10:02 <Josh_Soref> ... need to make sure we know where we are
14:10:20 <fjh> need to get updated status from editor on these specifications since some changes were made, some proposed but not made, etc. Need to be clear on status.
14:10:36 <Josh_Soref> topic: Editor Update: Network Service Discovery
14:10:38 <fjh> prefix issue , http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Apr/0054.html (Jean-Claude)
14:10:46 <fjh> awaiting feedback and status from Richt
14:10:59 <fjh> action: fjh to follow up with spec editors regarding status to share on list
14:10:59 <trackbot> Created ACTION-631 - Follow up with spec editors regarding status to share on list [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2013-05-15].
14:11:13 <Josh_Soref> topic: HTML Media Capture
14:11:18 <fjh> CR Publication of HTML Media Capture planned for Thursday, 9 May
14:11:29 <fjh> CR transition was approved yesterday
14:11:29 <Josh_Soref> fjh: transition was approved
14:11:33 <Josh_Soref> s//fjh: transition was approved/
14:11:37 <Josh_Soref> fjh: that should be published tomorrow
14:11:41 <fjh> Test and implementation plan discussion
14:11:43 <Josh_Soref> ... we'll have to figure out testing implementation
14:11:54 <Josh_Soref> ... currently, implementations are for a previous version
14:11:58 <Josh_Soref> ... i think mozilla is working on that
14:12:06 <Josh_Soref> topic: Action Review
14:12:15 <fjh> ACTION-446?
14:12:15 <trackbot> ACTION-446 -- Frederick Hirsch to review security issue http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Aug/0006.html -- due 2011-08-24 -- OPEN
14:12:15 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/446
14:12:24 <fjh> ACTION-523?
14:12:24 <trackbot> ACTION-523 -- Anssi Kostiainen to work on test cases for battery, vibration, and HTML Media Capture -- due 2012-08-31 -- OPEN
14:12:24 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/523
14:12:31 <fjh> ACTION-591?
14:12:31 <trackbot> ACTION-591 -- Greg Billock to work with Mounir and James to create new webintents draft that reflects web activities and issues -- due 2013-03-29 -- OPEN
14:12:31 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/591
14:12:39 <Josh_Soref> i/591?/fjh: i think this is way out of date/
14:13:02 <Josh_Soref> fjh: 591- i'm not sure what's going on with it
14:13:12 <fjh> I'll follow up with Greg to determine if 591 should be closed
14:13:19 <fjh> ACTION-621?
14:13:19 <trackbot> ACTION-621 -- Anssi Kostiainen to create test cases for HTML Media Capture -- due 2013-03-13 -- OPEN
14:13:19 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/621
14:13:26 <fjh> ACTION-622?
14:13:26 <trackbot> ACTION-622 -- Frederick Hirsch to follow up on concrete actions based on PING input -- due 2013-03-13 -- OPEN
14:13:26 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/622
14:13:35 <fjh> ACTION-625?
14:13:35 <trackbot> ACTION-625 -- Dominique Hazaël-Massieux to move DAP tests to Git, with help from others as needed -- due 2013-05-01 -- OPEN
14:13:35 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/625
14:13:49 <fjh> CfC was agreed to do this, will follow up with Dom
14:14:21 <fjh> ACTION-626?
14:14:21 <trackbot> ACTION-626 -- Anssi Kostiainen to update Proximity spec to clarify event constructor aspects -- due 2013-05-01 -- OPEN
14:14:21 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/626
14:14:33 <fjh> I think this is done, will confirm and close if so
14:14:40 <fjh> ACTION-628?
14:14:40 <trackbot> ACTION-628 -- Anssi Kostiainen to send email to list with final proposal to update the "processing vibration patterns" algorithm to return boolean instead of throwing -- due 2013-05-01 -- OPEN
14:14:40 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/628
14:14:53 <anssik> both done
14:14:54 <fjh> close ACTION-628
14:14:54 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-628 Send email to list with final proposal to update the "processing vibration patterns" algorithm to return boolean instead of throwing.
14:15:06 <anssik> also 626
14:15:06 <fjh> close ACTION-626
14:15:06 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-626 Update Proximity spec to clarify event constructor aspects.
14:15:25 <fjh> closing pending items
14:15:43 <fjh> close ACTION-627
14:15:43 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-627 Contact Robin about returning booleans versus exceptions for cookbook update.
14:15:46 <fjh> close ACTION-629
14:15:46 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-629 Ask about latency and estimation mechanism for network information on DAP list.
14:17:10 <fjh> anssik, we need to be clear on the status of Proximity, Light, Vibration edits, whether they are done, which proposals are not going to be done etc. Can you please send a summary to the list?
14:17:31 <fjh> Topic: Issue Review
14:17:35 <fjh> ISSUE-127?
14:17:35 <trackbot> ISSUE-127 -- Status section of Battery CR draft should include exit criteria and at-risk items -- open
14:17:35 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/127
14:17:40 <fjh> ISSUE-128?
14:17:40 <trackbot> ISSUE-128 -- Need more description on how bandwidth should be estimated -- open
14:17:40 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/128
14:17:47 <fjh> Topic: Other Business
14:17:53 <fjh> none
14:18:29 <Josh_Soref> [ adjourned ]
14:18:34 <Josh_Soref> trackbot, end meeting
14:18:34 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
14:18:34 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Josh_Soref, fjh, dcheng3, +1.858.750.aaaa, gmandyam, Milan_Patel
14:18:42 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:18:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/08-dap-minutes.html trackbot
14:18:43 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
14:18:43 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2013/05/08-dap-actions.rdf :
14:18:43 <RRSAgent> ACTION: fjh to send CfC re shelving Web Intents, Web Intents Addendum, Pick Media Intent, Pick Contacts intent [1]
14:18:43 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/05/08-dap-irc#T14-07-22
14:18:43 <RRSAgent> ACTION: fjh to follow up with spec editors regarding status to share on list [2]
14:18:43 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/05/08-dap-irc#T14-10-59
14:18:45 <Zakim> -gmandyam
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14:24:53 <anssik> Vibration: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013May/0005.html
14:24:58 <anssik> Proximity and Light: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013May/0008.html
14:25:19 <anssik> if no concerns from the group, I'll update the specs
14:25:29 <anssik> giving ppl time to review the changes
14:26:00 <anssik> revisit these during next week's call
14:26:05 <anssik> RRSAgent, bye
14:26:13 <Josh_Soref> RRSAgent, make logs public
14:26:17 <Josh_Soref> RRSAgent, draft minutes
14:26:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/08-dap-minutes.html Josh_Soref
14:26:19 <Josh_Soref> RRSAgent, make minutes
14:26:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/08-dap-minutes.html Josh_Soref
14:26:22 <fjh> thanks. Anssi it wasn't clear to me that you had some additional changes that you decided not to do, as well as some others - is everything recorded in those messages?
14:27:35 <Josh_Soref> RRSAgent, bye
14:27:35 <RRSAgent> I see no action items