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12:30:50 <LJWatson> LJWatson has changed the topic to: HTML A11y Bug Triage telecon
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12:31:14 <LJWatson> zakim, this will be 2119
12:31:14 <Zakim> ok, LJWatson; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML_TF)9:00AM scheduled to start in 29 minutes
12:31:39 <LJWatson> Meeting: HTML A11y Bug Triage telecon
12:31:46 <LJWatson> Chair: Léonie Watson
12:31:56 <LJWatson> agenda+ New bugs review
12:32:10 <LJWatson> agenda+ Resolved needsInfo/wontFix bugs review
12:32:21 <LJWatson> agenda+ Resolved later bugs review
12:32:30 <LJWatson> agenda+ New team members
12:32:37 <LJWatson> zakim, save agenda
12:32:45 <Zakim> ok, LJWatson, the agenda has been written to http://www.w3.org/2013/05/08-a11y-bugs-agenda.rdf
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13:03:01 <hhillen> scribe: hhillen
13:03:27 <hhillen> Zakim, next item
13:03:27 <Zakim> agendum 1. "New bugs review" taken up [from LJWatson]
13:04:14 <hhillen> HH: There's a few new bugs, most of them were longdesc related or editing related
13:04:31 <MarkS> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21722
13:04:43 <hhillen> HH: One bug I think should be discussed here: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21722
13:06:20 <hhillen> HH: It's a bug about placeholder text
13:08:36 <hhillen> HH: I think we need to talk about the risk of using placeholder text as only means of labeling a field
13:12:05 <hhillen> HH: Visually it's not clear what a field's label/placeholder text is the moment that text is dded to the field
13:13:13 <hhillen> HH: User agents should provide a way for the placeholder text to still be visible when text is entered to the field (e.g. through a tooltip that appears on focus). Alternatively developers could do this. I think this is a TF issue
13:13:19 <hhillen> MC: Marked it as a11ytf
13:13:26 <hhillen> Zakim, next item
13:13:26 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Resolved needsInfo/wontFix bugs review" taken up [from LJWatson]
13:13:34 <LJWatson> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?keywords=a11ytf&keywords_type=allwords&product=HTML%20WG&bug_status=RESOLVED&resolution=INVALID&resolution=WONTFIX&resolution=NEEDSINFO&list_id=3187
13:14:44 <hhillen> MC: First one we could look at is: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9098
13:15:00 <hhillen> MC: This one seems to be directly related to issue 31, and I thought it could be assigned to STeve
13:15:02 <MichaelC> s/MC:/MS:/
13:15:08 <MichaelC> s/MC:/MS:/
13:16:09 <hhillen> LW: That makes sense, if Steve's happy with that
13:16:49 <hhillen> MC: I have two more that are similar: 10708
13:17:12 <MarkS> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10708
13:17:12 <hhillen> s/10708/https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10708/
13:17:50 <MichaelC> s|10708|https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10708/|
13:18:20 <hhillen> MS: The other one I talked about is https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13449
13:19:30 <hhillen> MS: assigned to Steve
13:20:09 <hhillen> MS: The other one is https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13451
13:21:08 <hhillen> MS: Our proposal is to remove the note altogether. Ian mentioned that this wouldn't resolve anything and I agree with that.
13:21:59 <MarkS> http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-html5-20110525/the-iframe-element.html#the-object-element
13:22:49 <hhillen> MS: Scroll down to the very end of number 4 (processing rules), there's an "otherwise" line that should stand out.
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13:24:01 <hhillen> MS: If the author doesn't recreate the links that were contained in the image maps then they wouldn't be accessible
13:24:25 <hhillen> LW: I think we need to push this back to the TF, there's definitely stuff that needs looking at here.
13:24:50 <hhillen> MS: I can bring that up at the meeting tomorrow
13:25:16 <hhillen> MS: That's as far as I got
13:25:35 <LJWatson> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13436
13:25:57 <hhillen> LW: still assigned to contributor
13:26:22 <hhillen> MC: We should assign it to one of the media people
13:26:39 <hhillen> LW: Assign it to John
13:26:45 <hhillen> MC: I will do that
13:27:40 <LJWatson> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13461
13:28:36 <hhillen> MS: Judy felt we shouldn't update this one at the moment
13:28:59 <hhillen> LW: So we should keep the TF keyword in place?
13:29:02 <hhillen> MS: Yes
13:29:22 <LJWatson> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13651
13:29:53 <hhillen> MS: I'm going to be provided with some research for this one
13:30:17 <LJWatson> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13727
13:30:45 <hhillen> MS: This one seems related to @longdesc but I haven't looked closely at it yet
13:31:14 <hhillen> LW: Charles takes care of this part of the spec, so we should assign it to him
13:32:16 <LJWatson> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=14870
13:34:25 <hhillen> LW: I'm not sure if this one is a11y related
13:37:02 <hhillen> LW: Should we close this one?
13:37:27 <hhillen> MC: Yeah, I think the requested feature is a bad idea
13:37:34 <hhillen> HH: me too
13:38:42 <LJWatson> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9485
13:39:50 <hhillen> MC: I think there are two ones related to conformance checkers: 9485 and 13728
13:40:02 <LJWatson> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13728
13:43:12 <hhillen> LW: 9485 doesn't seem like a spec bug but a suggestion for the validator
13:43:41 <hhillen> MC: 13728 was split off from a larger bug filed by the VA
13:43:57 <hhillen> MC: They tried to file 3 bugs into one and Michael split them off
13:44:17 <hhillen> LW: Regarding 9485, is there a validator products in Bugzilla?
13:45:43 <hhillen> MS: There is a validator product
13:45:55 <hhillen> LW: Should we reassign it to that?
13:46:24 <hhillen> MC: Changing products is something I would be very careful of doing
13:47:33 <hhillen> HH: Why is this bug being tracked?
13:48:59 <hhillen> LW: I think we should probably close it, it hasn't been reviewed in 3 years
13:50:46 <hhillen> MC: Regarding 14870 , I'm a little reluctant to close it because we don't know David Stone
13:50:58 <hhillen> LW: Maybe we should just remove the a11ytf keyword
13:51:17 <hhillen> MS: If this bug is followed through it WILL have an accessibility impact
13:51:54 <hhillen> MS: If you add me to the CC list I can keep an eye on it in case it is updated
13:52:07 <hhillen> LW: We'll take out the keyword and leave it with David
13:52:47 <hhillen> zakim, take up item 4
13:52:47 <Zakim> agendum 4. "New team members" taken up [from LJWatson]
13:53:38 <hhillen> LW: At the TA call  last week I mentioned HH going to NZ in a few weeks, making it more difficult to meet up for the triage call
13:53:56 <hhillen> LW: Charles sent out a call for more volunteers
13:54:31 <hhillen> LW: A few people responded:
13:55:47 <hhillen> LW: Adrian Roselli
13:56:11 <hhillen> LW: Joe o' Connor
13:56:40 <hhillen> LW: A lady called Jacky Ahrens
13:56:52 <hhillen> LW: She's a UK based web producer
13:57:13 <hhillen> LW: Web A11Y evangelist
13:57:36 <hhillen> LW can we recruit them as invited experts?
13:58:26 <hhillen> MC: Yes
13:58:36 <hhillen> MS: Suzanne Taylor was interested as well
13:58:52 <hhillen> LW: She's already a TF member
13:59:44 <hhillen> LW: I'll get the ball rolling with Joe becoming an invited expert in the HTMLWG
14:00:35 <hhillen> LW: I'll get in touch with the rest as well
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14:01:26 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.617.715.aaaa, MarkS, [IPcaller], LJWatson, MichaelC
14:02:30 <hhillen> RRSAgent: make minutes
14:02:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/08-a11y-bugs-minutes.html hhillen
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