14:56:00 RRSAgent has joined #prov 14:56:00 logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/05/02-prov-irc 14:56:02 RRSAgent, make logs world 14:56:02 Zakim has joined #prov 14:56:04 Zakim, this will be PROV 14:56:04 ok, trackbot; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes 14:56:05 Zakim, this will be PROV 14:56:05 Meeting: Provenance Working Group Teleconference 14:56:05 Date: 02 May 2013 14:56:06 ok, Luc; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes 14:56:22 Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.05.02 14:56:48 Chair: Luc Moreau 14:56:59 Regrets: Curt Tilmes 14:57:09 rrsagent, make logs public 14:57:14 zakim, who is here? 14:57:14 SW_(PROV)11:00AM has not yet started, Luc 14:57:15 On IRC I see RRSAgent, Luc, pgroth, ivan, TallTed, stain, trackbot 14:57:52 SW_(PROV)11:00AM has now started 14:57:59 +[IPcaller] 14:58:09 Zakim, [IPcaller] is me 14:58:09 +pgroth; got it 14:59:36 +Luc 14:59:39 tlebo has joined #prov 14:59:48 +tlebo 15:00:03 smiles has joined #prov 15:00:08 hello, anybody willing to scribe? 15:00:11 +??P39 15:00:21 zakim, ??P39 is me 15:00:21 +smiles; got it 15:00:25 Sorry, @luc, I can only stay for 30 minutes 15:00:28 I can scribe 15:00:35 TallTed has changed the topic to: Provenance WG -- http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/ -- agenda http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.05.02 15:00:41 thanks Simon 15:00:42 zakim, code? 15:00:43 the conference code is 7768 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), ivan 15:00:48 everything is set up 15:00:51 jcheney has joined #prov 15:00:51 scribe: smiles 15:00:52 ok, thanks 15:01:01 +[OpenLink] 15:01:08 topic: 15:01:11 Zakim, [OpenLink] is OpenLink_Software 15:01:11 +OpenLink_Software; got it 15:01:13 topic: Admin 15:01:18 Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me 15:01:19 +TallTed; got it 15:01:20 Zakim, mute me 15:01:20 TallTed should now be muted 15:01:26 +Ivan 15:01:31 hook has joined #prov 15:02:27 +jcheney 15:02:35 PROPOSED: to accept Minutes of April 25, 2013 Telcon 15:02:43 https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/prov/2013-04-25 15:02:48 + +1.818.731.aaaa 15:02:59 +1 15:03:00 +1 15:03:03 +1 15:03:04 +1 15:03:19 ACCEPTED: Minutes of April 25, 2013 Telcon 15:03:26 Topic: congratulations 15:03:28 TomDN has joined #prov 15:03:30 YEAH!!! 15:03:40 Luc: Congratulations on all the documents being published on Tuesday! 15:03:57 :-) 15:04:04 hey luc - how long was it? 15:04:05 Dong has joined #prov 15:04:13 clap clap clap clap 15:04:20 +TomDN 15:04:31 congrats everyone :) 15:04:34 2 years on the nose 15:04:34 Luc: Last Sunday was the second anniversary of the WG 15:04:34 Zakim, mute me 15:04:34 TomDN should now be muted 15:04:39 http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2011-04-28 15:05:00 q? 15:05:03 Luc: Any comment on this news? 15:05:08 q+ 15:05:10 (Sam send his regards and congratulations, he is abroad at the moment) 15:05:11 Just well done! 15:05:15 ack pgroth 15:05:16 Topic: Provenance Working Group End Date 15:05:21 later 15:05:24 - +1.818.731.aaaa 15:05:57 Luc: When are we going to close the WG? Last week, we said 2 to 3 weeks to complete remaining tasks 15:06:17 ... Proposal to terminate on May 17th, after last telecon on 16th 15:06:18 q? 15:06:24 q+ 15:06:35 + +1.818.731.aabb 15:06:55 pgroth: Do we need more telecons? 15:07:20 ack pg 15:07:26 If you want stuff from me, you should have me in a telecon... 15:07:29 ... Will discuss with Luc after this call whether more are needed 15:07:34 Curt has joined #prov 15:07:44 +1 15:07:58 PROPOSED: to terminate the activities of the Provenance Working Group on May 17, 2013 15:08:03 +1 15:08:03 +1 15:08:03 +1 15:08:04 +1 15:08:07 +1 15:08:07 +1 15:08:07 +1 15:08:08 +1 15:08:13 jcheney_ has joined #prov 15:08:19 ACCEPTED: to terminate the activities of the Provenance Working Group on May 17, 2013 15:08:21 +1 15:08:23 +1 15:08:30 zednik has joined #prov 15:08:39 :-) 15:08:42 invalidation! 15:08:46 invalidation! 15:08:47 Luc: Can now complete provenance of PROV family with invalidation on 17 May 15:08:48 q? 15:08:53 never thought that would be useful… :-) 15:08:59 Luc: Any comment on this? 15:09:02 topic: provenance of documents 15:09:11 +[IPcaller] 15:09:30 Luc: Now have reasonable files edited last week, need to be finalised 15:09:49 Hm, but the 17th of May is my country's national day! It's going to be both a sad and happy day for me! 15:10:00 ... Will add end of WG, and make a couple of corrections in the use of roles 15:10:14 @stain - you can join another wg? :-) 15:10:19 q? 15:10:30 ... Once finalised, it would be good to have someone look at the Turtle, someone at the XML 15:10:42 I can do the turtle if tlebo helps 15:10:46 zednik: I can look at the XML 15:11:06 I already looked at the TTL. I can take another look at the attribution. 15:11:46 Luc: A number of comments in the PROV-N are lost in the translation 15:12:01 ... and the translations have different chronological order 15:12:15 pgroth: Do not need to be exactly the same, but will look at them 15:12:33 should the comments be made into something like rdfs:comment? 15:12:39 Luc: Aim to finalise by Mon/Tue next week, then pgroth and zednik to edit 15:12:43 q? 15:12:43 + +44.442.380.55.aacc 15:12:54 topic: Finalizing /ns 15:13:28 Luc: We have all the schema files, but don't know if they need editing 15:14:08 pgroth: For the HTML file, I need to redo the dummy version; the overview is up to date but just a placeholder 15:14:19 Luc: When will there be an HTML file we can look at? 15:14:34 Everything is concatenated at https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/file/tip/namespace/releases/prov-20130430 15:14:35 pgroth: Will work on it Sunday/Monday, for review mid-next week 15:15:00 Luc: Do they need any further curation? 15:15:50 tlebo: No plans to do anything else, though having problems loading into Protege 15:15:59 "# The following was imported from http://www.w3.org/ns/prov-o#" 15:16:15 ... Added string above between each of concatenated files 15:16:16 prov:wasDerivedFrom , , yes 15:16:42 ... Along with assertion above, this should be everything wanted 15:16:47 i think I also define things again in prov-aq 15:17:10 Luc: When will you hand over to Stian to look at? 15:17:23 tlebo: Just sent out email to WG during this meeting 15:17:44 Luc: No further editing expected? 15:17:51 tlebo: No 15:18:35 xsd file 15:18:38 xsd files 15:18:58 q+ 15:19:00 zednik: For the XSD files, there is no intention to change them further 15:19:32 @pgroth thanks, I was confused :-) 15:19:36 Luc: For the OWL files, small issue, XSD are fine, and HTML files ready mid next week, so well on track to complete 15:19:51 q+ 15:19:54 q+ 15:19:59 ack pgroth 15:20:00 pgroth: Do we also want to put the PROV-N grammar there? 15:20:02 we don't have to 15:20:16 Dong has joined #prov 15:20:28 +Satya_Sahoo 15:20:35 satya has joined #prov 15:20:35 Luc: The grammar is linked from the PROV-N document, as it is already completely inside the document and just convenient standalone file 15:20:50 ... Could put in /ns but not sure what MIME type it would be 15:20:55 ok no prov-n 15:21:13 ack pg 15:21:15 ivan: If it does not have a media type, then can't do it 15:21:17 I only got feedback from Paul on the ns concatenation -- nothing from editors. Shall I assume that they are happy with its result? 15:21:26 ack tlebo 15:21:31 ack ivan 15:21:55 tlebo: Only feedback from Paul on namespace concatentation, but concerns multiple notes (DC, AQ...) , so would like to know editors are happy with it 15:22:03 well I did it for aq 15:22:05 ack tle 15:22:18 i took him off the queue 15:22:21 :-) 15:22:35 thanks, @ivan :-) 15:22:58 the only thing left is html 15:23:09 ivan: Can Luc or Paul tell me when all files are ready, not having many requests over the day 15:23:24 but we can do it in bulk 15:23:34 when I do it when the html 15:23:37 FWIW, there is https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/file/ec6859fefebf/namespace/bin/test-w3org.sh to make sure we have it right... 15:23:41 Luc: Yes, there will be multiple edits, and once these are done we can send a single requests for all 15:24:42 q? 15:26:30 you need to run it from the namespace directory 15:26:32 not in bin 15:26:44 Topic: Wikis 15:27:12 Luc: We have tidied up the front page of the PROV Wiki 15:27:33 ... A few more things to do on closure of the WG, but can do offline 15:27:54 pgroth: We need to copy some outreach and new information over, other than that its fine 15:28:16 Luc: By copy, we mean copy to SW Wiki and put link from PROV Wiki 15:28:30 http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/PROV 15:28:56 ivan: I updated above page yesterday, uses Semantic MediaWiki tricks listing tools relating to provenance 15:28:57 http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/Tools 15:29:24 http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/R2RML_Parser example 15:29:38 ... Currently it is empty, but if add to above Tools page would automatically appear elsewhere on Wiki 15:29:52 ... See the R2RML example above 15:30:08 can we not copy our implementation report 15:30:08 q+ confused 15:30:09 ? 15:30:15 ... If there are tools from the CR phase, would be good to add 15:30:55 q+ to ask about this in bulk 15:31:14 ivan: List technologies your tool is relevant for (PROV), and for category put category as on Tool page 15:31:17 http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/Category:Tool 15:31:49 per technology 15:32:17 q+ 15:32:23 raises hand 15:32:29 Luc: Will send an action to all to add tools 15:32:31 ack con 15:33:00 pgroth: We have a implementation report, should we convert? 15:33:16 ack pg 15:33:16 pgroth, you wanted to ask about this in bulk and to and to 15:33:17 ivan: No, other people should do it themselves where they want the tools publicised 15:33:48 @paul add a link to the implementation report 15:33:51 pgroth: Would like to give (correct) impression that we have a lot of tools, but Wiki will be spartan 15:33:54 yeah 15:33:55 +1 15:34:18 http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/PROV#All_relevant_tools 15:34:21 Luc: Tim's suggestion of a link to the implementation report is good 15:34:23 in big bold letters 15:35:11 http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/NOTE-prov-implementations-20130430/ 15:35:26 or http://www.w3.org/TR/prov-implementations/ 15:35:37 ivan: Have to make clear it was status of implementation as of now, will be irrelevant late 15:35:48 w00t http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/PROV 15:37:33 ivan: Could add something more on SW Wiki main PROV page to make more self-explanatory, today would be nice; can add sub-pages to help keep up community; etc. 15:37:41 :-) 15:37:45 q? 15:37:57 q+ 15:38:00 Were we going to make the FAQ editable after the closing as well? 15:38:07 i'll do some updating 15:38:16 Topic: FAQ 15:38:23 q+ 15:38:27 http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/PROV-FAQ 15:38:31 (nevermind :) ) 15:38:47 Luc: Is the FAQ finished? 15:38:56 q- 15:39:01 q? 15:39:23 q+ to point out that you need to "no-op edit" http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/PROV to get it to refresh the listing of tools. 15:39:24 pgroth: It needs to be cleaned up, some sections are a bit overloaded 15:39:47 ack pg 15:39:54 @ivan, "All relevant tools" is a bit closed-world for a SW wiki... 15:40:20 ack tl 15:40:20 tlebo, you wanted to point out that you need to "no-op edit" http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/PROV to get it to refresh the listing of tools. 15:40:32 tlebo: Just to mention, when you add your tool to the SW Wiki, need to refresh (edit and save) PROV page for tool to be included 15:40:36 yes 15:40:43 q? 15:41:34 Luc: There are to-dos for Tim, under PAQ, and regarding JAXB; are authors planning to complete? 15:41:40 q+ 15:41:45 ack pg 15:42:12 q? 15:42:14 pgroth: To-dos from PAQ are just dumped there, so I or Graham need to clean up 15:42:24 yes 15:42:27 q? 15:42:33 Luc: If no-one can complete the tasks, then remove to-dos 15:42:38 Topic: Dissemination/Announcement 15:42:53 For the records: interview with Luc and Paul: http://www.w3.org/QA/2013/04/interview_paul_groth_and_luc_m.html 15:42:54 q? 15:42:58 Q= 15:43:00 q+ 15:43:03 Luc: Planning write blog entry on PROV family of documents next week 15:43:23 pgroth: Will do summary/close blog post 15:43:26 I addressed http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/PROV-FAQ#Why_doesn.27t_PROV_use_FOAF.3F by deferring to the general design approach. 15:43:58 ack pg 15:44:17 pgroth: Anything sent to W3C mailing lists? 15:44:35 q? 15:44:37 ivan: Put on Twitter and Google+, but probably worth also sending to mailing list 15:44:45 pgroth: Will do that 15:44:47 q? 15:45:15 q? 15:45:18 yes 15:45:32 yes 15:45:49 well probably the week before 15:46:16 Luc: Probably not a call next week, but will confirm this by email; probably will be a call before closing, TBC 15:46:24 Zakim, unmute me 15:46:24 TomDN should no longer be muted 15:46:25 bye 15:46:25 -tlebo 15:46:27 and congrats 15:46:27 -Satya_Sahoo 15:46:27 bye all 15:46:28 OK thanks! 15:46:28 -jcheney 15:46:29 -Ivan 15:46:31 -Luc 15:46:32 if we don't talk again 15:46:33 -TallTed 15:46:33 -TomDN 15:46:34 -[IPcaller] 15:46:36 -pgroth 15:46:38 - +1.818.731.aabb 15:46:50 -smiles 15:49:52 - +44.442.380.55.aacc 15:49:54 SW_(PROV)11:00AM has ended 15:49:54 Attendees were pgroth, Luc, tlebo, smiles, TallTed, Ivan, jcheney, +1.818.731.aaaa, TomDN, +1.818.731.aabb, [IPcaller], +44.442.380.55.aacc, Satya_Sahoo 15:58:24 zednik has joined #prov 18:16:32 Zakim has left #prov