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10:58:34 <dsr> zakim, this will be mbui
10:58:34 <Zakim> ok, dsr; I see UW_MBUI()7:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
10:58:50 <dsr> meeting: MBUI teleconference
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11:00:07 <dsr> chair: Fabio
11:00:27 <dsr> scribe: Dave
11:00:35 <dsr> scribenick: dsr
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11:01:48 <dsr> Present: Dave, Jaroslav
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11:04:36 <dsr> Present+ Fabio
11:05:04 <dsr> Regrets: Joelle
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11:05:37 <dsr> Topic: July F2F
11:06:49 <dsr> Heiko circulated info. It will be a one and a half meeting. We will finalize the agenda later on, but please make your travel arrangements.
11:07:38 <dsr> Fabio asks if we should invite people from the W3C Indie WG.
11:07:51 <dsr> Dave agrees and will email the Indie WG with an invitation.
11:08:17 <dsr> Action: Dave to contact Indie WG with invitation to July MBUI WG F2F
11:08:32 <dsr> Topic: Changing the time of the telecon
11:08:34 <UCL> It's a nice idea.
11:08:43 <dsr> Fabio: none of the slots were perfect.
11:09:49 <dsr> Gerrit can't make today's call and has said that he wouldn't be able to make every Friday at 12:00.
11:11:01 <dsr> Fabio, Gerrit wondered about Tuesday.
11:11:35 <dsr> Gaelle: Joelle can't make the least worst slot of Tuesday.
11:12:07 <dsr> Dave: we need to ensure that the people contributing to the documents can attend. Friday at 12 seems best choice for now.
11:12:12 <dsr> Fabio: okay
11:12:36 <dsr> Resolution: we will switch to Friday at 12: effective next week.
11:13:17 <dsr> Topic: Glossary of Terms
11:13:46 <dsr> Gaelle: see last week's minutes. We wanted to check with Fabio.
11:14:17 <dsr> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mbui/2013Apr/0036.html
11:15:16 <dsr> Gaelle: we should finish the first version of the glossary as soon as possible.
11:15:42 <dsr> Jaroslav asks a question on social relationship in regards to the context of use.
11:16:46 <dsr> s/check with Fabio/check with Fabio on the definition of Abstraction task/
11:17:06 <dsr> Vivian clarifies.
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11:18:41 <dsr> Topic: Abstract UI document
11:18:48 <dsr> Fabio: what's the status.
11:19:19 <dsr> Vivian: we've updated the diagram, and need review to see if the diagram covers all of the agreed cases.
11:19:31 <dsr> Present+ Paolo
11:20:15 <dsr> Fabio asks Paolo for his opinion on the state of the AUI model document?
11:20:38 <dsr> Paolo: I haven't looked at in the last month, it was okay for me, so I guess it still is.
11:21:03 <dsr> Dave: how far away are we from releasing it as a FPWD?
11:21:27 <dsr> Vivian: if everyone agrees with the definitions we could proceed to that.
11:21:53 <dsr> Dave perhaps we should initiate a call for concensus on releasing it as a FPWD?
11:22:07 <dsr> Fabio: what about the abstract, is it in place?
11:23:27 <dsr> Fabio: anyone remember what the abstract interactor is?
11:23:31 <dsr> Paolo: there is a definition.
11:24:19 <dsr> Vivian: I guess it is for validating the AUI, but I will have to confirm with Jean.
11:24:44 <dsr> Paolo: may be it would be simpler to put a boolean into the XXX for use as a template.
11:24:55 <dsr> Fabio: it seems to be redundant.
11:25:20 <dsr> Paolo: it would be simpler if the AIU could be used as a template.
11:25:32 <dsr> Fabio: let's review that in the next audio conference.
11:25:44 <dsr> Topic: Back to the Glossary
11:26:15 <dsr> Paolo: the Glossary doesn't mention the notion of a template.
11:27:31 <dsr> Jaroslav: we should add this to the glossary, but please let us return the review of terms in alphabetical order.  We had got to interactive device.
11:27:53 <dsr> Fabio: we often distinguish between device and platform.
11:28:16 <dsr> A device is a specific instance of a hardware platform
11:29:44 <dsr> s/interactive device/device/
11:30:16 <dsr> Discussion on purpose.
11:32:08 <dsr> Paolo: W3C has a project on the "Web of devices", but I don't see a definition.
11:33:33 <dsr> Fabio: we need to distinguish between peripheral device (e.g. a keyboard) and the main device.
11:35:12 <dsr> A peripheral device has a limited purpose for interaction.
11:35:53 <dsr> Jaroslav: we should clearly distinguish between device as platform and device as peripheral.
11:36:27 <dsr> Smart phone is clearly a platform due to its flexibility.
11:37:06 <dsr> Fabio: an iPhone is an example of a more specific device than a smart phone.
11:37:42 <dsr> Gaelle: why do you make such a distinction between a smart phone and a PC?
11:38:08 <dsr> Fabio: this is needed for adaptation to these classes of device.
11:39:35 <dsr> Some adaptation might be specific to say an iPhone.
11:41:49 <dsr> Gaelle: is there a glossary from this other group we can look at?
11:43:07 <dsr> Jaroslav summarises
11:43:36 <dsr> Fabio: I found a glossary from a while back on device independence
11:43:50 <dsr> It isn't the only one, though
11:44:15 <dsr> The device description repository core vocabulary
11:45:47 <dsr> see http://www.w3.org/TR/ddr-core-vocabulary/
11:46:49 <dsr> Further discussion on distinction between device and platform ...
11:47:28 <dsr> Fabio: I suggest we have device, platform and peripheral
11:48:11 <dsr> Jaraslav: idea of a device that is not standalone, e.g. a peripheral
11:49:04 <dsr> Paolo: why do you want to keep the name device with peripheral?
11:49:19 <dsr> Fabio: sure we can just use the term "peripheral"
11:50:07 <dsr> Fabio: we can write that a platform may encompass a set of devices playing different functions.
11:50:58 <dsr> Jaroslav: device is often used colloquially for platform, right?
11:51:46 <dsr> when we say device independence, we are really referring to the platform
11:53:55 <dsr> Jaroslav: what are concretely the 3 levels you suggest?
11:54:32 <dsr> Fabio: peripheral e.g. keyboard, and platform spanning several devices
11:55:40 <dsr> Paolo: I haven't found a W3C definition of platform, but OMG has one.
11:56:45 <dsr> Fabio: so we will modify the glossary to clarify these terms
11:57:17 <dsr> Fabio sent these links: http://www.w3.org/TR/di-gloss/ and http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/NOTE-ddr-core-vocabulary-20080414/
11:57:48 <dsr> Fabio: we've run out of time. Next week's call will be at the new time/day (Friday 12:00 CET)
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