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15:00:38 <aphillip> trackbot, prepare teleconference
15:00:41 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
15:00:43 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 4186
15:00:44 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
15:00:44 <trackbot> Date: 02 May 2013
15:00:46 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM scheduled to start now
15:00:54 <fsasaki> in a meeting whcih will probably take ... a long time. Please start without me
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15:01:24 <r12a> zakim, dial richard please
15:01:24 <Zakim> ok, r12a; the call is being made
15:01:25 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM has now started
15:01:26 <Zakim> +Richard
15:01:27 <aphillip> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2013May/0003.html
15:01:32 <aphillip> Chair: Addison Phillips
15:01:36 <aphillip> ScribeNick: aphillip
15:01:47 <aphillip> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:01:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/02-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:01:50 <aphillip> rrsagent, set logs world
15:02:19 <Zakim> +aphillip
15:02:41 <Zakim> +??P0
15:02:46 <aphillip> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:02:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/02-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:02:57 <aphillip> zakim, ??P0 is matial
15:02:57 <Zakim> +matial; got it
15:03:17 <aphillip> agenda+ RADAR
15:03:24 <aphillip> agenda+ TPAC
15:03:33 <aphillip> agenda+ Q/A Translate
15:03:41 <aphillip> agenda+ bidi
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15:05:38 <Zakim> +Norbert
15:06:09 <Zakim> + +1.703.948.aaaa
15:06:12 <aphillip> Topic: Agenda
15:07:01 <aphillip> agenda?
15:07:10 <aphillip> Topic: Action Items
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15:08:03 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
15:08:12 <Zakim> +JcK
15:09:05 <fsasaki> action-203 is ongoing, hope to have a call with robin next week
15:09:33 <fsasaki> same for action-218
15:10:05 <aphillip> close ACTION-217
15:10:05 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-217 Move "other documents" up and clean up the review radar.
15:10:30 <aphillip> close action-219
15:10:30 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-219 Replace inline bidi markup document with new spiffy version with a button and its companion explanation of UBA.
15:10:50 <aphillip> close action-220
15:10:50 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-220 Change TPAC reservation to Thurs/Fri.
15:10:57 <aphillip> Topic: Info Share
15:11:16 <r12a> zakim, who's here?
15:11:16 <Zakim> On the phone I see Richard, aphillip, matial (muted), Norbert, +1.703.948.aaaa, JcK
15:11:18 <Zakim> On IRC I see JcK, Najib-ma, Norbert, matial, Zakim, RRSAgent, aphillip, fsasaki, r12a, trackbot
15:11:40 <John_> John_ has joined #i18n
15:11:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/02-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:11:52 <aphillip> zakim, +1.703 is John
15:11:52 <Zakim> +John; got it
15:11:56 <aphillip> zakim, who is here?
15:11:56 <Zakim> On the phone I see Richard, aphillip, matial (muted), Norbert, John, JcK
15:11:59 <Zakim> On IRC I see John_, JcK, Najib-ma, Norbert, matial, Zakim, RRSAgent, aphillip, fsasaki, r12a, trackbot
15:12:00 <John_> Hello all
15:12:32 <aphillip> John: working for Verisign, worked on IDNA
15:12:45 <aphillip> ... worked on RACE and later Punycode, policy, language tables, etc.
15:13:15 <aphillip> ... interest here is in IDNA policy and algorithms
15:14:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/02-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:14:50 <aphillip> JcK: tried to refer some folks to bidi docs
15:14:53 <aphillip> ... what links to use?
15:15:07 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/blog/International/2013/04/22/4-new-articles-about-working-with-html-markup-in-arabic-hebrew-and-other-right-to-left-scripts/
15:15:16 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/International/
15:15:17 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/
15:15:31 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/blog/International/2013/04/29/new-article-unicode-bidirectional-algorithm-basics/
15:15:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/02-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:15:52 <aphillip> agenda?
15:16:02 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 1
15:16:02 <Zakim> agendum 1. "RADAR" taken up [from aphillip]
15:16:09 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Review_radar#Internationalization_Review_Radar
15:16:57 <aphillip> agenda?
15:17:07 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 2
15:17:07 <Zakim> agendum 2. "TPAC" taken up [from aphillip]
15:19:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/02-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:20:10 <aphillip> agenda?
15:20:20 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 3
15:20:20 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Q/A Translate" taken up [from aphillip]
15:20:45 <aphillip> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2013May/0004.html
15:20:55 <aphillip> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2013May/0001.html
15:21:05 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-translate-flag
15:21:10 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-translate-flag
15:21:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/02-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:22:39 <aphillip> richard: make comments on general direction
15:22:49 <aphillip> ... interesting question from felix
15:23:21 <fsasaki> still in a meeting - saw your reply mail, richard - sorry, didn't have time to look into it yet
15:23:21 <aphillip> ... the situation is "you can say, do translate this element and don't translate this element"
15:23:47 <aphillip> ... ITS by default if translate is on, you translate element contents but not attribute values
15:23:57 <aphillip> ... but some attribute values contain natural language
15:24:13 <aphillip> ... causes problems not just for trnaslate but for other markup like bidi or language
15:24:34 <aphillip> richard: how do you handle when attribute and element contents are different
15:24:42 <aphillip> ... or if some require translation and some don't
15:24:47 <aphillip> ... can't provide metadata about it
15:24:55 <fsasaki> FYI, ITS is also considering to drop its own definition *for HTML* and just refer to the html spec - question is just which html spec ;)
15:25:16 <fsasaki> s/definition/definiton of "translate" attribute/
15:25:27 <aphillip> richard: html currently says "if translate=yes" then translate element and all attrbutes
15:26:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/02-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:26:48 <fsasaki> I think "html currently says" should be "html5.0 CR doc says"
15:27:12 <aphillip> (we're actually discussing that)
15:27:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/02-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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15:29:37 <Zakim> + +1.212.565.aabb
15:29:58 <aphillip> zakim, +1.212 is aharon
15:29:58 <Zakim> +aharon; got it
15:30:44 <aphillip> ACTION: addison: ping HTML about how to address comments on translate attribute in HTML5 CR
15:30:44 <trackbot> Created ACTION-221 - Ping HTML about how to address comments on translate attribute in HTML5 CR [on Addison Phillips - due 2013-05-09].
15:31:12 <aphillip> agenda?
15:31:20 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 4
15:31:20 <Zakim> agendum 4. "bidi" taken up [from aphillip]
15:31:40 <aphillip> richard: two weeks since published proposals
15:31:47 <aphillip> ... on isolate
15:31:52 <aphillip> ... haven't seen any comments
15:31:57 <aphillip> ... ready for next phase?
15:31:59 <aphillip> addison: agree
15:33:03 <aphillip> richard: send email to html list "we have this document, please make a decision"?
15:33:09 <aphillip> ... or do we write an extension spec?
15:33:22 <aphillip> ... or maybe talk to robin about how to progress it
15:33:59 <aphillip> aharon: give them a document that says what needs to be done?
15:34:06 <aphillip> ... don't want a futher document
15:34:10 <aphillip> ... another doc not useful
15:35:52 <aphillip> aharon: but open on html-next
15:35:58 <aphillip> s/but open/bug open/
15:36:17 <aphillip> ... proposal to isolate by default on items with dir and lang
15:36:26 <aphillip> ... don't want lang right now
15:36:41 <aphillip> ... backwards compatibility issue
15:37:11 <aphillip> ... commented on the bug recently because previous stance changed because of what I found in IE
15:37:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/02-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:38:26 <aphillip> ACTION: richard: talk to robin about HTML5 bidi proposal next steps
15:38:26 <trackbot> Created ACTION-222 - Talk to robin about HTML5 bidi proposal next steps [on Richard Ishida - due 2013-05-09].
15:38:27 <aharon> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=18490
15:40:03 <aphillip> Topic: AOB?
15:40:21 <aphillip> Norbert: ran across our charter
15:40:29 <aphillip> ... noticed that encoding spec should be LC by now??
15:40:32 <Najib-ma> q+ on bidi
15:40:33 <aphillip> ... how to start?
15:41:11 <aphillip> ACTION: addison: follow up on status of encoding spec
15:41:11 <trackbot> Created ACTION-223 - Follow up on status of encoding spec [on Addison Phillips - due 2013-05-09].
15:41:30 <aphillip> ack najib-ma
15:41:30 <Zakim> Najib-ma, you wanted to comment on bidi
15:41:47 <Najib-ma> I think the text (bidi isolate) needs some rewording…
15:41:48 <Najib-ma> It is written for (too much) to promote the solution A.
15:41:50 <Najib-ma> Some significant  advantages/disadvantage are not well highlighted…
15:42:19 <Najib-ma> That's it
15:42:45 <aphillip> can you please send written comments so we can incorporate/address? (send to www-international@)
15:42:52 <Najib-ma> Sure
15:42:54 <aphillip> thanks
15:42:59 <r12a> please send very soon
15:43:09 <Najib-ma> Yep!
15:44:33 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/International/wiki/CharmodNormProposal2013
15:45:36 <aphillip> richard: AC meeting in Tokyo in June
15:45:57 <aphillip> ... speaking there
15:46:16 <aphillip> ... presentation from judy (head of a12y domain)
15:46:27 <aphillip> ... if there is something I should present, please suggest
15:46:44 <aphillip> ... started requirements initiatives
15:46:50 <aphillip> ... localization work
15:47:01 <aphillip> ... GEO work
15:47:14 <aphillip> ... talk about things we haven't gotten to
15:47:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/02-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:49:26 <aphillip> richard: CG set up for best practices in open data/semantic web
15:49:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/02-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:50:04 <fsasaki> s/open/multilingual open/
15:51:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/02-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:51:49 <r12a> Topic: LOD CG
15:51:51 <r12a> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uaEJWrbnygkVyvSMAIbCxyMxr-7ro2VLiG64qjfkKDg/edit?pli=1
15:52:51 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/community/bpmlod/
15:54:39 <aphillip> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:54:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/02-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:55:05 <Zakim> -aharon
15:55:07 <Zakim> -aphillip
15:55:08 <Zakim> -John
15:55:10 <Zakim> -matial
15:55:11 <Zakim> -Norbert
15:55:20 <r12a> zakim, drop richard
15:55:20 <Zakim> Richard is being disconnected
15:55:21 <Zakim> -Richard
15:55:25 <Zakim> -JcK
15:55:26 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM has ended
15:55:26 <Zakim> Attendees were Richard, aphillip, matial, Norbert, +1.703.948.aaaa, JcK, John, +1.212.565.aabb, aharon
15:55:44 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
15:55:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/02-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:55:47 <aharon> aharon has left #i18n
15:55:51 <aphillip> zakim, who is here?
15:55:52 <Zakim> apparently I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM has ended, aphillip
15:55:52 <Zakim> On IRC I see John_, Najib-ma, Norbert, Zakim, RRSAgent, aphillip, fsasaki, r12a, trackbot
15:55:56 <aphillip> zakim, bye
15:55:56 <Zakim> Zakim has left #i18n
15:57:04 <aphillip> Present: Addison, Richard, Norbert, Mati, JcK, JohnC, Aharon, Najib (IRC), Felix (IRC)
15:57:09 <aphillip> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:57:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/02-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:57:50 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
15:57:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/02-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:58:02 <aphillip> rrsagent, bye
15:58:02 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2013/05/02-i18n-actions.rdf :
15:58:02 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: ping HTML about how to address comments on translate attribute in HTML5 CR [1]
15:58:02 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/05/02-i18n-irc#T15-30-44
15:58:02 <RRSAgent> ACTION: richard: talk to robin about HTML5 bidi proposal next steps [2]
15:58:02 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/05/02-i18n-irc#T15-38-26
15:58:02 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: follow up on status of encoding spec [3]
15:58:02 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/05/02-i18n-irc#T15-41-11