13:53:09 RRSAgent has joined #gld 13:53:09 logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/05/02-gld-irc 13:53:11 RRSAgent, make logs world 13:53:11 Zakim has joined #gld 13:53:13 Zakim, this will be GLD 13:53:13 ok, trackbot; I see T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 7 minutes 13:53:14 Meeting: Government Linked Data Working Group Teleconference 13:53:14 Date: 02 May 2013 13:53:26 LOL! 13:56:06 bhyland has joined #gld 13:59:22 T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM has now started 13:59:45 +Sandro 14:00:06 +HadleyBeeman 14:00:29 + +000000aaaa 14:00:39 gatemezi has joined #gld 14:00:49 zakim, aaaa is olyerickson 14:00:50 +olyerickson; got it 14:01:01 +David_Wood 14:01:15 olyerickson, are you using IP today? 14:01:16 zakim, David_Wood is me 14:01:16 +bhyland; got it 14:01:20 agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20130502 14:01:34 DaveReynolds has joined #gld 14:01:46 martinA has joined #gld 14:02:16 +??P11 14:02:24 TallTed has changed the topic to: Govt Linked Data (GLD) WG - http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/ - current agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20130502 14:02:24 +??P13 14:02:32 +OpenLink_Software 14:02:34 zakim, ??p13 is me 14:02:34 +martinA; got it 14:02:38 Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me 14:02:38 +TallTed; got it 14:02:39 Zakim, mute me 14:02:39 TallTed should now be muted 14:02:49 +[IPcaller] 14:02:59 zakim, who is on the call 14:02:59 I don't understand 'who is on the call', HadleyBeeman 14:03:04 zakim, who is on the call? 14:03:04 On the phone I see Sandro, HadleyBeeman, olyerickson, bhyland, ??P11, martinA, TallTed (muted), DaveReynolds 14:03:11 PhilA has joined #gld 14:03:20 DeirdreLee has joined #gld 14:03:21 JoaoPauloAlmeida has joined #gld 14:03:28 +DeirdreLee 14:03:37 zakim, code? 14:03:37 the conference code is 45394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), PhilA 14:03:47 fadmaa has joined #gld 14:03:53 +[IPcaller] 14:03:55 zakim, Fadmaa is with deirdrelee 14:03:55 +Fadmaa; got it 14:03:57 zakim, ipcaller is me 14:03:57 +PhilA; got it 14:04:19 zakim, who is on the call? 14:04:19 On the phone I see Sandro, HadleyBeeman, olyerickson, bhyland, ??P11, martinA, TallTed (muted), DaveReynolds, DeirdreLee, PhilA 14:04:22 DeirdreLee has DeirdreLee, Fadmaa 14:04:31 Zakim, ??P11 is me 14:04:31 +JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it 14:04:42 agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20130502 14:04:47 +gatemezi 14:05:17 scribe: DeirdreLee 14:05:21 last week's minutes: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2013-04-25 14:05:25 +1 to minutes 14:05:31 +1 14:05:31 +1 14:05:32 +1 14:05:33 +1 14:05:34 +1 14:05:34 +1 14:06:06 resolved: last week's minutes 14:06:55 DCAT UCR http://bit.ly/DCATUseCases 14:06:55 zakim, who is on the call? 14:06:55 On the phone I see Sandro, HadleyBeeman, olyerickson, bhyland, JoaoPauloAlmeida, martinA, TallTed (muted), DaveReynolds, DeirdreLee, PhilA, gatemezi 14:06:58 DeirdreLee has DeirdreLee, Fadmaa 14:07:06 Benedikt sent regrets to the mail list a little while ago 14:07:08 topic: dcat 14:07:26 s/dcat/DCAT UCR 14:08:01 HadleyBeeman: Discuss whether we should proceed with DCAT UCR? 14:08:36 olyerickson: prepared by cygri and fadmaa 14:09:40 @olyerickson, does it really cover all of section 4, for example 4.3 Persistent URIs for catalog entries? 14:09:50 ... what is the standing of such a document, are we obliged to complete this doc in a detailed way 14:10:34 ... DCAT doc is already quite complete, with clear guidelines, is it necessary to go into details on how to implement each requirement? 14:10:41 I agree with olyerickson that it is real work to go thru UCR & *prove* but the spec is the thing people read for implementation questions IMO. 14:10:49 Q+ 14:11:02 sandro: UCR is a good marketing tool and would be a nice supporting doc, but not as important as the spec 14:11:21 ... if we have time we could work on it more, but it's not essential 14:11:30 +1 as a supporting documentation (I probably wouldn't call it a marketing doc ;-) 14:12:02 olyerickson: for a complete UCR, each one of these requirements in the DCAT spec may need an example, and this would be a lot of work 14:12:30 ... better to leave it as an informal doc 14:13:23 HadleyBeeman: Leave DCAT UCR as it is for the moment, and if we have more time later, or if we get an extension, we could flesh out the document 14:13:26 +1 14:13:26 +1 14:13:39 ... but as it is, it is fine to leave as a note 14:14:23 q+ 14:14:45 q- 14:15:33 +Mike_Pendleton 14:15:34 Proposal: Transition DCAT UCR editor's draft to be a WG Note (after removing pink todo section) 14:15:49 Mike_Pendleton has joined #gld 14:15:58 Yigal has joined #gld 14:16:41 zakim, who is talking? 14:16:41 ACTION: Transition DCAT UCR editor's draft to be a WG Note 14:16:41 Error finding 'Transition'. You can review and register nicknames at . 14:16:51 HadleyBeeman, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: HadleyBeeman (20%), olyerickson (57%), bhyland (4%) 14:17:01 zakim, who is on the call? 14:17:01 On the phone I see Sandro, HadleyBeeman, olyerickson, bhyland, JoaoPauloAlmeida, martinA, TallTed (muted), DaveReynolds, DeirdreLee, PhilA, gatemezi (muted), Mike_Pendleton 14:17:04 ACTION: fadmaa to Transition DCAT UCR editor's draft to be a WG Note (after removing pink todo section) 14:17:04 DeirdreLee has DeirdreLee, Fadmaa 14:17:04 +Gregg_Vanderheiden 14:17:04 zakim, mute olyerickson 14:17:04 Created ACTION-124 - Transition DCAT UCR editor's draft to be a WG Note (after removing pink todo section) [on Fadi Maali - due 2013-05-09]. 14:17:05 olyerickson should now be muted 14:17:30 -martinA 14:17:36 http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/BP_Timetable 14:17:48 subtopic: Best Practices 14:17:51 I can't hear anyone… is it just me? 14:18:11 bhyland: found great interest in best practice at ODW 2013 14:18:19 PhilA, thanks, I will reconnect 14:18:44 +??P32 14:18:45 ... ODI is working on this, Dutch gov has also created a document related to best practice 14:18:49 Zakim, ??P32 is me 14:18:49 +JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it 14:19:52 ... content in best practice doc needs to be restructured slightly and updated 14:19:52 There's quote a lot of what Hans Overbeek presented in his ODW13 paper http://www.w3.org/2013/04/odw/odw13_submission_14.pdf 14:20:11 ... bhyland focusing on URI section, which we expect will get most attention 14:20:43 ... getting it to W3C note status helped to promote BP 14:20:48 Sections I'm focusing on are: 14:20:48 https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/bp/index.html#uri-constructionhttps://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/bp/index.html#uri-construction 14:20:48 https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/bp/index.html#uri-policy-for-persistencehttps://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/bp/index.html#uri-policy-for-persistence 14:20:48 https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/bp/index.html#internationalized-resource-identifiershttps://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/bp/index.html#internationalized-resource-identifiers 14:22:36 ... updating doc is a matter of transferring some content, 3-4 hours of work 14:22:51 ... if someone was willing to help with pub rules for the glossary 14:23:56 ... bhland would like to shadow sandro while he does it 14:24:05 s/bhland/bhyland 14:24:14 Note from PhilA: "Open Data Best Practices WG" 14:25:10 http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/BP_Timetable 14:25:38 bhyland: would like to move timetable forward one week 14:26:28 ... the doc hasn't changed a lot, most content has remained unchanged for a year 14:27:03 ... get doc out by 14th, then will get feedback 14:27:45 q+ 14:27:50 ... might not make publication as WG note by 28th May, but will work through feedback 14:28:04 ack olyerickson 14:28:06 I'm here 14:28:10 that was from before 14:28:23 ack DaveReynolds 14:29:16 DaveReynolds: Should have a day or two before it's published, for WG members to have a complete read through the doc 14:30:00 ... to publish on 14th (tuesday), we need to agree on previous thursday (9th) 14:30:54 I was only asking for a few days notice 14:31:49 http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/BP_Timetable#Detailed_timetable_and_checklist 14:32:31 HadleyBeeman: if we send BP doc to WG members for review on Tues 7th, we can vote on Thurs 9th, and publish for public feedback on Tues 14th 14:32:59 http://dir.w3.org 14:33:17 bhyland: unsure about first rows in doc, will follow-up with Hadley after 14:33:46 Topic: Community Directory 14:33:48 Zakim, unmute me 14:33:48 TallTed should no longer be muted 14:33:51 ... every GLD organisation represented in WG should be present in Community Directory 14:34:01 -JoaoPauloAlmeida.a 14:34:24 TallTed: added entry while ago, but it was deleted, should details be re-entered? 14:35:15 bhyland: yes, new version now, richer features, nice theme, 14:35:35 ... so please resubmit if entry isn't available 14:35:53 Zakim, mute me 14:35:53 TallTed should now be muted 14:35:57 TallTed: suggests bhyland to send a reminder out to those who may have to resubmit 14:36:05 +??P35 14:36:07 bhyland: agreed 14:36:11 I'd like to announce the Directory to the various lists today. 14:36:36 subtopic: ADMS 14:36:51 Per Ted's comment, I'll ping each organization who previously had a listing in v1.0 of the Directory. I guess we'll call this Directory 2.0 14:37:16 PhilA: going through the spec, addressing comments from F2F, and other comments 14:37:20 http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/ADMS_Timetable 14:37:43 HadleyBeeman: ADMS timetable is out of date, advises PhilA to update it 14:38:02 Action: to PhilA update ADMS timetable 14:38:02 Created ACTION-125 - PhilA update ADMS timetable [on Tope Omitola - due 2013-05-09]. 14:38:22 subtopic: RegORG 14:38:38 http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/REGORG_Timetable 14:38:45 PhilA: Marios is taking a look at that 14:38:56 Action: to PhilA update RegORG timetable 14:38:57 Created ACTION-126 - PhilA update RegORG timetable [on Tope Omitola - due 2013-05-09]. 14:39:24 Fadi not Dave :) 14:39:33 subtopic: DCAT 14:39:42 I must leave at 11a 14:40:07 q+ 14:40:10 DaveReynolds: Could we extend this meeting to talk about DCAT? 14:40:41 http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/raised 14:40:50 +Sandro.a 14:40:54 -Sandro 14:40:54 s/DaveReynolds/Sandro 14:40:57 http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/DCAT_LC_comments 14:41:18 HadleyBeeman: Go through DCAT issues 14:41:43 issue-6? 14:41:43 ISSUE-6 -- How should publishers figure out good URIs for properties with non-literal ranges? -- raised 14:41:43 http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/6 14:42:03 issue-54? 14:42:03 ISSUE-54 -- Relationship of DCAT and VoID -- raised 14:42:03 http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/54 14:42:04 fadmaa: Issue 6 is done 14:42:12 issue-65? 14:42:12 ISSUE-65 -- Add properties for dataset versioning -- raised 14:42:12 http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/65 14:42:19 ... issue-9 needs richard to close 14:42:35 ... ISSUE-54 and 65 need further discusssion 14:43:05 issue-60? 14:43:05 ISSUE-60 -- dct:license vs. dct:rights -- raised 14:43:05 http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/60 14:43:07 .... the rest of the issues, Fadi and Richard can go through 14:43:24 60 and 65 14:43:30 s/54/60 14:44:05 Do we need to "normalize" on rights vs license? 14:44:10 I thought one of the resolution during F2F3 was to have a special call for DCAT.. 14:44:10 HadleyBeeman: Do we need another last call for dcat? 14:44:34 q+ 14:44:53 q- 14:44:59 ack me 14:45:07 fadmaa: It depends on resolution of ISSUES 60 and 64, as decisions on these could mean a change to the core, and as such, would impact on conformance 14:45:28 PhilA: recommends we go for a second LC 14:46:01 ... given the rate of progress and amount of work being done, but still to be done, we have good justification of an extension 14:46:05 +1 to what PhilA is saying, critical to get this correct even if we flow over a couple months. 14:46:28 I see no strong argument against dcterms:rights 14:46:57 ... DCAT is getting a lot of attention, so to acknowledge all comments, make informed decisions, and go for quality over urgency, we should go for 2nd LC 14:47:06 fadmaa: totally agrees with PhilA 14:47:33 q? 14:47:41 HadleyBeeman: We will leave this decision with editors, and should they decide on a need for 2nd LC, the chairs/groups will support this 14:48:01 http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/raised 14:48:07 PhilA: related to ADMS, will DCATinclude a contact point? 14:48:23 fadmaa: surprised there is no issue related to this 14:48:48 ... fadmaa will create an issue on this, he would be for creating a contact point in DCAT 14:49:11 PhilA: if it is in DCAT, it can be removed from ADMS, and they will just use the DCAT property 14:49:11 zakim, who is talking? 14:49:14 NOT ME 14:49:21 HadleyBeeman, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: HadleyBeeman (50%), DeirdreLee (44%) 14:49:22 ;) 14:49:51 +1 to DCAT going to where it needs to go... 14:50:20 http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/DCAT_LC_comments 14:50:26 HadleyBeeman: Are all issues for DCAT being followed up on / progressed? 14:50:55 olyerickson: editors are working through comments/issues 14:51:27 -??P35 14:51:50 HadleyBeeman: issues are being recorded in issue-tracker and in LC comments section, they may not be the same issues, so as long as editors is keeping an eye on both places 14:51:54 +??P2 14:51:59 subtopic: ORG 14:51:59 http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/ORG_CR_transition 14:52:00 Zakim, ??P2 is me 14:52:00 +JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it 14:52:48 DaveReynolds: Have created a section on uses of ORG that needs feedback from, from Bart and PhilA 14:52:48 davereynolds: expecting bits to be completed by Bart 14:52:49 http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/ORG_CR_transition 14:52:58 http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/ORG_Implementations 14:53:06 action: phila to provide info about usage of ORG in Italy and Greece 14:53:06 Created ACTION-127 - Provide info about usage of ORG in Italy and Greece [on Phil Archer - due 2013-05-09]. 14:54:46 ... proposes to subdivide ORG into a set of features (5), and uses could be reported at a feature level instead of property level 14:55:16 ... that way users may not have to use every single property in a feature, but we can still see which features are actually useful 14:55:35 If we label a feature "at risk" and then discover implementations, do they lose that "at risk" label? 14:55:50 ... for the exit criteria, we could check the use/conformance specification at feature level 14:56:06 http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/ORG_Validation_Suite 14:56:49 q+ 14:56:50 ... there will be a set of SPARQL queries that will act like a minimal consumer (at link) 14:57:17 ... the resultant list will still have to be manually checked to see if the results are valid 14:57:29 olyerickson has left #gld 14:57:29 -olyerickson 14:57:42 q+ 14:57:48 ... will we rely on implementers to report this 14:58:13 @DaveReynolds, that is a really good approach & outcome based on the WG F2F discussions, IMO. Thank you very much. I think that gives us sufficient due diligence that an implementer can use to guide their use of ORG. 14:58:28 ... but would we need a dedicated person from WG to check the negative compliance? 14:58:40 ack sandro 14:58:48 Sandro: THinks this is great! 14:59:22 Sandro: this seems like a great approach. Normally we don't want implementations to be public, but maybe in this case we could make them public? 14:59:40 DaveReynolds: would we need 2 public ones, or would 1 be sufficient? 14:59:52 sandro: 1 is fine, 2 or more would be great 15:00:34 ... we're not committing to cross-referencing it, but we have the option to check the public implementations ourselves then if we want 15:00:48 -TallTed 15:01:09 DaveReynolds: we could add a checkbox for implementers, asking whether they mind if their data is made public 15:02:14 ... we could provide a service to check this 15:02:22 @DaveReynolds: if we change the Select queries to ASK ones? could them be also sufficient for checking? 15:02:32 sandro: w3c will provide a vm to host the service for the CR period 15:03:11 (probably) 15:03:12 HadleyBeeman: Could this exit criteria methodology be applied to other vocabs? 15:03:17 ack me 15:04:26 DaveReynolds: qb is a different beast., in the spec we have an idea of what is a good and bad implementation, so we can simply run the validation queries on these and see if they conform 15:04:43 ... might not be worth breaking down into features 15:05:04 also doesn't make sense to have online service as datacube data would be very large 15:06:18 fadmaa: the exit-criteria for ORG should also apply to DCAT 15:06:42 ... would make more sense to run online service on same VM as ORG 15:07:16 -JoaoPauloAlmeida.a 15:07:28 Great job Dave, thank you for blazing the path forward to seeing sunlight out the other side of CR process. Thanks. 15:07:38 +??P2 15:07:45 -DeirdreLee 15:07:49 zakim, who is here? 15:07:49 On the phone I see HadleyBeeman, bhyland, JoaoPauloAlmeida, DaveReynolds, PhilA, gatemezi (muted), Mike_Pendleton, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Sandro.a, ??P2 15:07:51 On IRC I see Yigal, Mike_Pendleton, fadmaa, JoaoPauloAlmeida, DeirdreLee, PhilA, martinA, DaveReynolds, gatemezi, bhyland, Zakim, RRSAgent, HadleyBeeman, TallTed, danbri, cygri, 15:07:51 ... sandro, trackbot 15:07:55 Zakim, ??P2 is me 15:07:56 +JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it 15:08:21 HadleyBeeman: We just lost our scribe, but I think we're done with the agenda! 15:08:34 Thank you Hadley, awesome work barreling through this mega-agenda!! 15:08:35 +DeirdreLee 15:08:40 HadleyBeeman: Thank you all for everything today. Talk to you all next week. 15:08:41 -Mike_Pendleton 15:08:41 thanks all. have a good weekend. 15:08:46 ADJOURNED 15:08:47 -JoaoPauloAlmeida.a 15:08:49 -Gregg_Vanderheiden 15:08:50 bye 15:08:50 -PhilA 15:08:50 -HadleyBeeman 15:08:52 -bhyland 15:08:52 -JoaoPauloAlmeida 15:08:52 -gatemezi 15:08:52 -Sandro.a 15:08:54 -DeirdreLee 15:08:55 -DaveReynolds 15:08:57 T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM has ended 15:08:57 Attendees were Sandro, HadleyBeeman, +000000aaaa, olyerickson, bhyland, martinA, TallTed, DaveReynolds, DeirdreLee, Fadmaa, PhilA, JoaoPauloAlmeida, gatemezi, Mike_Pendleton, 15:08:57 ... 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