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18:53:38 <Jan>     Zakim, this will be AUWG
18:53:38 <Zakim> ok, Jan; I see WAI_AUWG()3:00PM scheduled to start in 7 minutes
18:53:42 <Jan> Meeting: WAI AU
18:53:49 <Jan> Chair: Jutta Treviranus
18:54:12 <Jan> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2013AprJun/0028.html
18:54:47 <Jan> Regrets: Alex L., Cherie E., T. Boland
18:54:54 <Jan> Scribe: Jan
18:59:06 <Zakim> WAI_AUWG()3:00PM has now started
18:59:14 <Zakim> +Jeanne
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19:01:02 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
19:01:50 <Jan> zakim, [IPcaller] is really Jan
19:01:50 <Zakim> +Jan; got it
19:08:18 <jeanne> zakim, who is here?
19:08:18 <Zakim> On the phone I see Jeanne, Jan
19:08:19 <Zakim> On IRC I see jeanne, RRSAgent, Zakim, Jan, trackbot
19:09:47 <Zakim> +Greg
19:12:25 <Zakim> + +1.561.582.aaaa
19:12:53 <Jan> zakim, aaaa is really Sueann
19:12:53 <Zakim> +Sueann; got it
19:12:59 <Greg> Greg has joined #au
19:16:30 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
19:20:47 <Jan> zakim, [IPcaller] is really jUtaa
19:20:47 <Zakim> +jUtaa; got it
19:20:58 <Jan> zakim, jUtaa is really Jutta
19:20:58 <Zakim> +Jutta; got it
19:21:10 <Jan> Topic: 1. New time for the call?
19:21:35 <Jan> - 1pm ET has been proposed and agreed to by 6 members - we need to hear for the rest.
19:21:44 <Jan> JT: Alex didn't object
19:21:50 <Jan> JT: Any other objections?
19:21:58 <jeanne> +1
19:22:02 <Jan> All: (silent)
19:22:08 <Jan> GP: No prob
19:22:42 <Jan> SN: OK
19:23:12 <Jan> Resolution: To shift the call forward 2 hours to 1pm ET starting May 6 2013
19:23:24 <Jan> Topic: 2. Re-chartering update (Jeanne)
19:23:44 <Jan> JS: First comments from within W3C received
19:24:00 <Jan> JS: New draft: http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/2013/draft_auwg_charter.html
19:24:16 <Jan> JS: Most of the changes were editorial
19:24:28 <Jan> JS: Another than that some info in scope...
19:24:45 <Jan> JS: Added some additional work to do after ATAG2 is out the door
19:25:11 <Jan> JS: Added Engage and promote adoption of ATAG 2.0 in coordination with the Education and Outreach Working Group (EOWG)
19:25:13 <Jan> Develop educational materials to support adoption of ATAG 2.0
19:25:14 <Jan> Publish errata document based on public comment post-Recommendation
19:25:16 <Jan> Review and comment on the work in other W3C Working Groups for dependencies with the requirements of ATAG 2.0
19:25:31 <Jan> JS: Lots of editorial etc.
19:25:52 <Jan> JS: Tim also had a question: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2013AprJun/0033.html
19:26:13 <Jan> JS: Probably don't need a dependency...EO is more of a support.
19:26:18 <Jan> JS: No
19:27:02 <Jan> JS: Another comment by Tim was whether we should have external groups section
19:27:09 <Jan> JS: Would be one way to do it
19:27:30 <Jan> JS: I could quickly do a "show changes" version?
19:28:06 <Jan> JT: Are there issues we need to see?
19:28:20 <Jan> JS: Unless there are objections I will take it back for the next step.
19:28:25 <Jan> JT: Any objections?
19:28:32 <Jan> All: (Silent)
19:28:43 <Jan> JT: OK so we will go ahead...when finalized?
19:28:56 <Jan> JS: Very soon... must go out to AC bby may 13
19:29:13 <Jan> JS: Then there could be changes once the AC makes comments
19:30:08 <Jan> JT: Any other questions?
19:30:15 <Jan> All: No
19:30:23 <Jan> JT: Any need to prrovide rationales?
19:30:39 <Jan> JS: Don't think so
19:30:53 <Jan> Topic: 3. Implementation report (Jan)
19:32:11 <Jan> JT: Lets start with IBM tools
19:33:52 <Jan> JR: Wanted to revisit if Connections is the best tool
19:34:09 <Jan> JS: Wahat about the captionning tool?
19:34:25 <Jan> SN: Talking about MCE...
19:34:41 <Jan> SN: Media Captioning and Editing
19:34:58 <Jan> SN: So the weak points...red?
19:42:02 <Jan> SN, JR: Discussion
19:42:14 <Jan> JT: What about internal tools?
19:42:37 <Jan> JS: That's allowed as long as there is some way to test it.
19:42:49 <Jan> SN: May not be possible if its internal
19:43:37 <Jan> SN: And the internal tools ay not be quite as accessible as product portfolio..."cobbler's children"
19:44:22 <Jan> JT: Came up as a strategy for ensuring customer-facing content production is accessible
19:45:10 <Jan> SN: For things that generate a lot of content, we often use Lotus Connections...but it may be too complicated
19:46:19 <Jan> JR: Maybbe there is a constrained workflow through Lotus Connections to produce web pages etc.
19:47:20 <Jan> SN: Our products and internal tools are both required to meet wcag
19:47:38 <Jan> SN: But we need to tools to meet atag
19:48:08 <Jan> JT: Had heard that ATAG strategies might be being employed to help meet wcag
19:48:22 <Jan> SN: ok
19:48:41 <Jan> JT: But as you said there is an issue with getting internal tools evaluated
19:48:52 <Jan> JS: What about getting internal people to test them?
19:49:06 <Jan> SN: Don't you need outside testers?
19:49:15 <Jan> SJS: I'd have to check
19:49:21 <Jan> JS: I'd have to check
19:49:45 <Jan> SN: Out external tools are more accessible than our internal
19:54:37 <jeanne> Topic: Adobe tools
19:55:03 <jeanne> B.2.2.2 setting accessible properties - yes for Dreamweaver and Acrobat
19:55:27 <jeanne> B.2.3.1 alternative content is editable - yes for Dreamweaver and Acrobat
19:56:00 <jeanne> Dreamweaver doesn't try to put in alt text.  Acrobat doesn't either
19:56:26 <jeanne> ... B.2.3.2 repair of alternative content
19:57:31 <jeanne> @@ Save for reuse  Acrobat is NA.  XMP file properties. Certain applications use it, others don't.  Acrobat doesn't.
19:58:05 <jeanne> ... part of the file metadata
19:58:38 <jeanne> ... so if you create the image in Illustrator, you can set the meta data which is preserved.
20:00:05 <jeanne> @@ Accessible template options - Dreamweaver can do at level A.  Probably not higher than level A.  Acrobat does not have templates
20:01:44 <Zakim> -Jan
20:01:46 <Zakim> -Greg
20:01:47 <Zakim> -Sueann
20:02:13 <jeanne> s/@@ Save for reuse /B.2.3.4 Save for reuse
20:02:25 <Zakim> -Jeanne
20:03:05 <jeanne> s/ @@ Accessible template/B.2.4.1 Accessible template
20:03:10 <jeanne> rrsagent, make minutes
20:03:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/04/29-au-minutes.html jeanne
20:03:44 <jeanne> rrsagent, make logs public
20:04:19 <Jan> Zakim, bye
20:04:19 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Jeanne, Jan, Greg, +1.561.582.aaaa, Sueann, Jutta
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20:04:23 <Jan> RRSAgent, bye
20:04:23 <RRSAgent> I see no action items