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13:24:51 <sharper> zakim, please clear the agenda
13:24:51 <Zakim> agenda cleared
13:24:53 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
13:24:55 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 7394
13:24:55 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_RDWG()9:30AM scheduled to start in 6 minutes
13:24:56 <trackbot> Meeting: Research and Development Working Group Teleconference
13:24:56 <trackbot> Date: 24 April 2013
13:24:58 <sharper> Chair: Harper_Simon
13:24:58 <sharper> Agenda+ Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments) [sharper]
13:24:58 <sharper> Agenda+ Charter Discussions (5m)  [sharper]
13:24:59 <sharper> Agenda+ Mobile W3C Note Status (5m)  [sharper]
13:24:59 <sharper> Agenda+ User Modelling Call (10m)  [Yehya/Christos]
13:24:59 <sharper> Agenda+ Easy to Read W3C Note Status (40m)  [klaus]
13:25:03 <sharper> zakim, save agenda
13:25:08 <sharper> zakim, take up item 1
13:25:10 <Zakim> ok, sharper, the agenda has been written to http://www.w3.org/2013/04/24-rd-agenda.rdf
13:25:10 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments)" taken up [from sharper]
13:25:19 <sharper> regrets+ Justin
13:28:01 <Zakim> WAI_RDWG()9:30AM has now started
13:28:08 <Zakim> +??P3
13:28:18 <klaus> klaus has joined #rd
13:29:26 <Zakim> +Klaus/Johannes/Thomas
13:29:30 <sharper> regrets: Christos, Markku, Silvia
13:30:30 <Zakim> +??P22
13:30:35 <annika> annika has joined #rd
13:30:42 <Yehya> zakim, Klaus/Johannes/Thomas is me
13:30:42 <Zakim> +Yehya; got it
13:30:53 <sharper> zakim, ??P22 is sharper
13:30:53 <Zakim> +sharper; got it
13:31:02 <sharper> zakim, who is making noise?
13:31:14 <Zakim> sharper, listening for 11 seconds I could not identify any sounds
13:31:24 <Zakim> +??P24
13:31:44 <Yehya> zakim, mute me
13:31:44 <Zakim> Yehya should now be muted
13:31:47 <annika> zakim, ??P24 is me
13:31:47 <Zakim> +annika; got it
13:31:54 <annika> zakim, mute me
13:31:54 <Zakim> annika should now be muted
13:32:29 <sharper> <http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/scribes>
13:32:54 <markel> markel has joined #rd
13:33:45 <Yehya> zakim, unmute me
13:33:45 <Zakim> Yehya should no longer be muted
13:34:02 <klaus> zakim, mute me
13:34:02 <Zakim> sorry, klaus, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
13:34:03 <sharper> zakim, who is making noise?
13:34:03 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
13:34:13 <Zakim> sharper, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P3 (59%), Yehya (29%), sharper (9%)
13:34:18 <shadi> zakim, ipcaller is me
13:34:18 <Zakim> +shadi; got it
13:34:22 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
13:34:22 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P3, Yehya, sharper, annika (muted), shadi
13:34:35 <annika> the connection is very bad today
13:34:50 <Zakim> +??P9
13:34:52 <klaus> zakim, ??P3  is me
13:34:52 <Zakim> +klaus; got it
13:35:09 <markel> zakim, ??P9 is me
13:35:09 <Zakim> +markel; got it
13:35:13 <sharper> zakim, who is making noise?
13:35:15 <klaus> zakim, mute me
13:35:15 <Zakim> klaus should now be muted
13:35:24 <Zakim> sharper, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: klaus (18%), shadi (37%), Yehya (18%), sharper (20%)
13:35:44 <klaus> I try to find an othe mic ... sorry
13:35:49 <Yehya> zakim, open agenda
13:35:49 <Zakim> I don't understand 'open agenda', Yehya
13:36:00 <Yehya> zakim, take item 2
13:36:00 <Zakim> I don't understand 'take item 2', Yehya
13:36:18 <sharper> zakim, take up item 2
13:36:19 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Charter Discussions (5m) " taken up [from sharper]
13:36:21 <Yehya> zakim, take up item 2
13:36:21 <Yehya> scribe: Yehya
13:36:21 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Charter Discussions (5m) " taken up [from sharper]
13:36:33 <sharper> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/charter4
13:37:03 <Yehya> Simon: sort out charter discussion quickly
13:37:48 <Yehya> Simon: Any additional comments?
13:38:49 <shadi> [@@@ comment from Yeliz: research *questions* versus research *directions*?]
13:38:59 <Yehya> comment1: which research directions?
13:39:55 <Yehya> SAZ: questions fits better than direction!
13:40:00 <sharper> regrets+ Yeliz
13:40:35 <shadi> s/questions fits better than direction/direction fits better than questions
13:40:41 <sharper> +1
13:40:43 <annika> +1
13:40:44 <klaus> +1
13:40:48 <Yehya> +1
13:40:48 <markel> +1
13:41:12 <sharper> RESOLVED: Change questions to actions
13:41:21 <sharper> s/actions/directions
13:42:20 <sharper> RESOLVED:  @@@ this paragraph needs updating. just needs udating via Shadi
13:42:38 <sharper> RESOLVED: [@@@ 30 June 2016] just update
13:42:47 <sharper> @@@ comment from Yeliz: would it be useful to add that RDWG is also "Proving a form/platform for researchers to get together and discuss web accessibility research directions"?
13:44:05 <annika> q+
13:44:11 <Yehya> SAZ: agrees to Simon that s/research directions/ new research directions/
13:44:32 <annika> zakim, unmute me
13:44:32 <Zakim> annika should no longer be muted
13:44:34 <sharper> ack a
13:44:58 <shadi> +1 to Annika
13:45:15 <Yehya> Annika: destinction between the RDWG and the external world. This should be clearly stated
13:46:18 <shadi> q+
13:46:20 <annika> zakim, mute me
13:46:20 <Zakim> annika should now be muted
13:46:30 <Yehya> Simon: has give himself an action to adapt the scope
13:46:42 <sharper> ACTION: sharper to re-write scope taking Yeliz and Annika.
13:46:42 <trackbot> Created ACTION-37 - Re-write scope taking Yeliz and Annika. [on Simon Harper - due 2013-05-01].
13:47:26 <shadi> ack me
13:47:33 <Yehya> SAZ: cancel next Wednesday as it is a publich holiday in many countries
13:48:50 <Yehya> SAZ: the concept of prioritizing should be changed to documenting
13:50:00 <sharper> @@@ comment from Yeliz: I don't think "internationalization" got enough attention and interest in the group, would it be better to remove it?
13:50:18 <shadi> +1 to Simon
13:50:24 <sharper> Propose to keep internationalisation
13:50:28 <sharper> +1
13:50:44 <Yehya> +1
13:50:53 <markel> +1
13:50:53 <annika> +1
13:51:05 <klaus> zakim, unmute me+1
13:51:05 <Zakim> sorry, klaus, I do not know which phone connection belongs to me+1
13:51:14 <klaus> +1
13:51:27 <sharper> RESOLVED: Keep Internationalisation
13:51:36 <sharper> [@@@ rename "teleconference" to "online symposia"?]
13:51:41 <markel> +1
13:51:43 <sharper> +1
13:51:48 <klaus> +1
13:51:56 <Yehya> zakim, take up next item
13:51:56 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments)" taken up [from sharper]
13:52:32 <Yehya> +1
13:52:32 <sharper> RESOLVED: for deliverables 1 and 2
13:52:45 <sharper> [@@@ add "research" in front of "reports"?]
13:52:56 <sharper> +1
13:53:02 <markel> +1
13:53:04 <klaus> +1
13:53:05 <Yehya> +1
13:53:29 <annika> +1
13:53:33 <sharper> RESOLVED: to add the research word
13:53:46 <sharper> [@@@ remove "prioritized" and change to "annotated catalog of research topics" or similar?]
13:53:57 <sharper> +1
13:54:02 <markel> +1
13:54:12 <annika> +1
13:54:13 <klaus> +1
13:54:13 <Yehya> +1
13:54:22 <sharper> RESOLVED:  remove "prioritized" and change to "annotated catalog of research topics"
13:54:54 <shadi> q+
13:54:59 <sharper> [@@@ we should discuss this deliverable in more detail -- is it really going to be a W3C Working Group Note or other format? also think it needs a refined description.]
13:55:07 <sharper> ack sh
13:55:29 <Yehya> SAZ: this should be a separate discussion
13:55:45 <sharper> Postpone:
13:55:46 <sharper> Tips for Accessibility-Aware Research: Start-up tips and basic guidance for researchers for incorporating accessibility considerations into their research designs, to be published as a W3C Working Group Note. [@@@ we should discuss this deliverable in more detail -- is it really going to be a W3C Working Group Note or other format? also think it needs a refined description.]
13:55:53 <Yehya> SAZ: better to discuss it with the coordination group
13:56:03 <sharper>  [@@@ can we combine this into the "annotated catalog of research topics" above?]
13:56:41 <sharper> I think it can be combined
13:56:48 <sharper> propose combining
13:56:49 <sharper> +1
13:57:02 <klaus> +1
13:57:04 <Yehya> +1
13:57:25 <markel> not sure, we can combine but not merge
13:57:43 <annika> +1
13:58:45 <markel> just want to distinguish "resources" in general and reports
13:58:57 <markel> q+
13:59:05 <sharper> ack mark
13:59:29 <markel> sorry I unable to make this work
13:59:38 <shadi> +1 to not mixing with "research reports" (point #3)
14:00:06 <sharper> RESOLVED: combine deliverable 4 and 6
14:01:16 <Yehya> Markel: By the combination we should still distiguish reources from reports
14:01:33 <shadi> +1
14:01:36 <sharper> RESOLVED: By the combination we should still distiguish reources from reports
14:02:18 <shadi> q+
14:02:27 <shadi> q-
14:02:53 <shadi> q+
14:03:07 <Yehya> zakim, take up item 3
14:03:07 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Mobile W3C Note Status (5m) " taken up [from sharper]
14:03:12 <shadi> q-
14:04:20 <Yehya> Simon: Will report to the coordination group about the status of Mobile W3C Note
14:04:40 <Yehya> Simon: any comments or issues about that?
14:05:05 <Yehya> zakim, take up next item
14:05:05 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments)" taken up [from sharper]
14:05:13 <Yehya> zakim, take up next item
14:05:13 <Zakim> agendum 1 was just opened, Yehya
14:05:17 <markel> I'll do it
14:05:19 <sharper> zakim, take up item 4
14:05:19 <Zakim> agendum 4. "User Modelling Call (10m) " taken up [from Yehya/Christos via sharper]
14:05:46 <markel> YM: we have created a draft call containing the announcements
14:05:53 <Yehya> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Call_for_Papers:_User_Modelling_for_Accessibility_%28UM4A%29_Online_Symposium_15_July_2013
14:06:05 <Yehya> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/CfP_Email:_User_Modelling_for_Accessibility_(UM4A)
14:06:07 <markel> YM: we have created an email draft too
14:06:18 <markel> YM: any comments are welcome
14:06:35 <markel> YM: so that we can update the calls and email accordingly
14:06:52 <Yehya> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/CfP_Email:_User_Modelling_for_Accessibility_%28UM4A%29
14:07:24 <markel> YM: my question to SAZ and SH is about the scientific committee. How should I proceed?
14:07:55 <markel> SH: I would suggest to put an email asking whether somebody from the group is skilled to do so.
14:08:31 <markel> SAZ: we can also have people from outside the group. There should be an email template to invite people to the PC.
14:09:18 <markel> SH: the only issue with the draft there seems to be a number of problems on the above links
14:09:31 <markel> YM: I can fix that, you mean HTML tags?
14:10:00 <markel> SH: yes, there are some square brackets
14:10:05 <markel> YM: I'll fix them
14:10:16 <markel> YM: what about the dates?
14:10:23 <markel> SH: they are realistic
14:10:40 <markel> dates look good to me
14:11:06 <markel> SH: the coordination group is aware of the dates, if only we could make the changes
14:11:10 <markel> YM: I'll do that
14:11:13 <markel> I'm fine
14:11:20 <sharper> me too
14:11:47 <markel> welcome
14:11:49 <markel> :-)
14:12:07 <Yehya> zakim, take up item 5
14:12:07 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Easy to Read W3C Note Status (40m) " taken up [from klaus via sharper]
14:12:09 <sharper> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/2012/easy-to-read/note/ED-E2R.html
14:12:51 <Yehya> SH: we can postpone to next time or go line by line now?
14:13:41 <annika> I have to leave now for another meeting. I'll send my comments on the E2R note by email.
14:13:44 <Yehya> SH: paragraph #1 on cognitive disabilities and and
14:13:49 <annika> bye
14:13:55 <Zakim> -annika
14:14:12 <Yehya> SH: happy with the abstract
14:14:46 <Yehya> SH: 3rd paragraph
14:15:27 <klaus> zakim, mute me
14:15:27 <Zakim> klaus was already muted, klaus
14:15:37 <Yehya> SH: Introduction is good - only the mentioned two changes should be made
14:15:39 <klaus> zakim, unmute me
14:15:39 <Zakim> klaus should no longer be muted
14:16:42 <klaus> other mic seems not to work, sorry
14:17:46 <klaus> zakim, mute me
14:17:46 <Zakim> klaus should now be muted
14:18:42 <sharper> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/2012/easy-to-read/note/ED-E2R.html#C2
14:18:52 <Yehya> SH: next time to start onsection 2 Background and related work
14:19:09 <klaus> Am happy to take any comments for changes via email (-:
14:19:15 <markel> ok
14:19:37 <klaus> bye
14:19:39 <shadi> trackbot, end meeting
14:19:39 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
14:19:39 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Yehya, sharper, annika, shadi, klaus, markel
14:19:45 <Zakim> -klaus
14:19:47 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:19:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/04/24-rd-minutes.html trackbot
14:19:47 <markel> markel has left #rd
14:19:47 <Zakim> -Yehya
14:19:48 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
14:19:48 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2013/04/24-rd-actions.rdf :
14:19:48 <RRSAgent> ACTION: sharper to re-write scope taking Yeliz and Annika. [1]
14:19:48 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/04/24-rd-irc#T13-46-42
14:19:51 <Zakim> -shadi