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13:33:01 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be PROV
13:33:01 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
13:33:02 <trackbot> Meeting: Provenance Working Group Teleconference
13:33:02 <trackbot> Date: 18 April 2013
14:14:58 <ivan> trackbot, start telcon
14:15:00 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
14:15:02 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be PROV
14:15:02 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 45 minutes
14:15:03 <trackbot> Meeting: Provenance Working Group Teleconference
14:15:03 <trackbot> Date: 18 April 2013
14:15:42 <ivan> ivan has changed the topic to: Provenance WG -- http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/ -- agenda http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.04.18
14:49:28 <ivan> Regrets: Khalid
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14:50:52 <pgroth> hi
14:50:54 <pgroth> ivan
14:50:55 <pgroth> i'll try
14:50:57 <pgroth> dialing in now
14:51:09 <ivan> it is still early...
14:51:20 <pgroth> yes
14:51:21 <pgroth> :-)
14:52:35 <pgroth> trackbot, start telcon
14:52:37 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
14:52:39 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be PROV
14:52:39 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes
14:52:40 <trackbot> Meeting: Provenance Working Group Teleconference
14:52:40 <trackbot> Date: 18 April 2013
14:52:42 <pgroth> Zakim, this will be PROV
14:52:45 <Zakim> ok, pgroth; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes
14:52:54 <pgroth> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.04.18
14:53:02 <pgroth> Chair: Paul Groth
14:53:15 <pgroth> Scribe: Tom De Nies
14:53:22 <pgroth> @ivan you still have to edit though :-)
14:53:26 <pgroth> i did it this week
14:53:29 <pgroth> actually much nicer
14:53:33 <pgroth> +1 to sandro
14:53:42 <pgroth> rrsagent, make logs public
14:53:51 <ivan> yes, you need to edit:-)
14:53:52 <pgroth> Regrets: Luc Moreau
14:54:02 <ivan> Regrets+ Khalid
14:54:19 <Zakim> SW_(PROV)11:00AM has now started
14:54:25 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:54:28 <ivan> Regrets: Khalid
14:54:36 <pgroth> Zakim, [IPcaller] is me
14:54:36 <Zakim> +pgroth; got it
14:54:42 <ivan> Regrets: Khalid, Luc
14:55:42 <ivan> zakim, code?
14:55:42 <Zakim> the conference code is 7768 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), ivan
14:56:50 <Zakim> +Ivan
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14:58:06 <Zakim> +??P6
14:58:10 <Zakim> +??P0
14:58:12 <dgarijo> Zakim, ??P6 is me
14:58:12 <Zakim> +dgarijo; got it
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14:58:19 <smiles> zakim, ??P0 is me
14:58:19 <Zakim> +smiles; got it
14:58:27 <pgroth> Topic: Admin
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14:58:43 <Zakim> + +329331aaaa
14:58:53 <TomDN> Zakim, +329 is me
14:58:53 <Zakim> +TomDN; got it
14:58:59 <TomDN> Zakim, mute me
14:58:59 <Zakim> TomDN should now be muted
14:59:14 <TomDN> yes
14:59:14 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:59:29 <Paolo> zakim, [IPcaller] is me
14:59:29 <Zakim> +Paolo; got it
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15:01:17 <pgroth> Minutes of April 11, 2013 Telcon
15:01:25 <TomDN> +1
15:01:26 <Curt> 0 (not present)
15:01:31 <dgarijo> +1
15:01:38 <TomDN> pgroth: vote on last week's minutes
15:01:38 <Paolo> +1
15:01:39 <smiles> +1
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15:02:01 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:02:03 <zednik> +1
15:02:14 <pgroth> accepted: : Minutes of April 11, 2013 Telcon
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15:02:31 <TomDN> pgroth: there are no action items
15:02:39 <SamCoppens> zakim, I am with TomDN
15:02:39 <Zakim> +SamCoppens; got it
15:02:40 <pgroth> Topic: All publications
15:02:50 <pgroth> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/PublicationRequestApril30
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15:03:08 <TomDN> pgroth: All editors need to check if the staged version is on the publication request wiki page
15:03:18 <TomDN> correct for prov-dictionary
15:03:20 <Zakim> + +44.131.467.aacc
15:03:28 <Zakim> + +238059aadd
15:03:29 <jcheney> zakim, aacc is me
15:03:29 <Zakim> +jcheney; got it
15:03:32 <smiles> checked correct for primer (at last week's telecon)
15:04:00 <TomDN> pgroth: Reminder to remove the links to editor's drafts in ALL final documents
15:04:03 <dgarijo> removed from the dc note :)
15:04:07 <stain> zakim, +44.789.470.aabb is me
15:04:07 <Zakim> +stain; got it
15:04:09 <Dong> zakim, aadd is me
15:04:09 <Zakim> +Dong; got it
15:04:15 <TomDN> ... please check before you stage
15:04:19 <Zakim> + +1.315.330.aaee
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15:04:29 <TomDN> pgroth: We've been going through typos, thanks.
15:04:31 <smiles> Yes
15:04:40 <TomDN> ... Who has checked their provenance of provenance?
15:04:54 <TomDN> ... PROV-XML?
15:05:04 <Zakim> + +1.818.731.aaff
15:05:15 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
15:05:16 <Zakim> On the phone I see pgroth, Ivan, dgarijo, smiles, TomDN (muted), Paolo, stain, Curt_Tilmes, [IPcaller], jcheney, Dong, +1.315.330.aaee, +1.818.731.aaff
15:05:16 <Zakim> TomDN has SamCoppens
15:05:16 <Zakim> On IRC I see lebot, hook, SamCoppens, Dong, zednik, jcheney, Curt, Paolo, TomDN, dgarijo, smiles, pgroth, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, GK-ALT, stain, trackbot
15:05:17 <TomDN> zednik: I'll have to look
15:05:34 <pgroth> q?
15:05:39 <TomDN> ... timeframe?
15:06:08 <TomDN> pgroth: Not really pressing, but would be great if it's done by the publication
15:06:22 <TomDN> ... Not done yet for PROV-AQ and PROV-Overview
15:06:27 <TomDN> ... PROV-DC?
15:06:49 <TomDN> dgarijo: Added some rdfs, but haven't looked at Luc's document yet
15:06:59 <TomDN> pgroth: be sure to check Luc's provenance first
15:07:07 <TomDN> not yet
15:07:28 <TomDN> Tom: PROV-Dictionary not looked at it yet
15:07:40 <TomDN> jcheney: Not done yet for PROV-Sem
15:08:04 <dgarijo> +q
15:08:14 <TomDN> Dong: haven't looked at it yet for PROV-Implementations
15:08:14 <pgroth> ack dgarijo
15:09:06 <pgroth> q?
15:09:08 <TomDN> dgarijo: Is it the provenance descriptions on the mercurial repository?
15:09:12 <jcheney> luc's prov-sem stuff looks fine
15:09:13 <lebot> q+
15:09:23 <jcheney> https://github.com/lucmoreau/ProvToolbox/blob/newschema/prov-n/src/test/resources/prov/prov-family.provn
15:09:25 <TomDN> pgroth: yes, we cna use those, unless you made some provenance yourself
15:09:38 <lebot> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/file/tip/provenance
15:09:47 <TomDN> lebot: Just want to make sure that the provenance directory in mercurial is the correct one
15:09:49 <pgroth> https://github.com/lucmoreau/ProvToolbox/blob/newschema/prov-n/src/test/resources/prov/prov-family.provn
15:10:13 <pgroth> ack lebot
15:10:22 <pgroth> Topic: Prov-aq
15:10:24 <TomDN> pgroth: That's where we put all the prov-of-prov, but James posted the one from Luc. (which is eventually find its way there)
15:10:54 <TomDN> pgroth: Graham has been responding to remaining issues
15:11:00 <TomDN> ... now up to me for staging
15:11:02 <pgroth> Topic: PROV-Dc
15:11:25 <TomDN> dgarijo: Addressed most of Stian's and Antoine's comments
15:11:52 <TomDN> dgarijo: Would be nice if someone could have a final look, because of the large number of revisions made.
15:12:19 <dgarijo> thx Tim!
15:12:20 <pgroth> tim to review prov-dc for grammar and stuff
15:12:23 <TomDN> lebot: I'll do it. (grammar and syntax checking)
15:12:41 <TomDN> pgroth: Any more comments?
15:12:43 <stain> I'm fine to vote
15:12:48 <TomDN> ... Blockers from the reviewers?
15:13:23 <TomDN> dgarijo: Antoine will make some comments via email. Can we make changes after this vote?
15:14:02 <stain> Antoine is not on the call now, is he?
15:14:12 <TomDN> pgroth: Only until final staging
15:14:24 <TomDN> ... after that, this is final release (Working Group Note)
15:15:11 <TomDN> dgarijo: He hasn't suggested changes yet, but he was going to comment on the mapping via email.
15:15:37 <TomDN> pgroth: We already gave a long time to comment. I think it's enough.
15:15:50 <stain> +1 - unless he has already strongly voiced (or said he would voice) any particular blocking concern
15:15:54 <TomDN> ... If real issues arise, they can be handled in the errata/FAQ
15:16:03 <stain> pgroth: does he not sit meters away from you..?
15:16:15 <TomDN> pgroth: Do you have the link for the document to vote on?
15:16:32 <TomDN> dgarijo: yes, it's the staged document (not the ED)
15:16:52 <dgarijo> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/tip/dc-note/releases/NOTE-prov-dc-20130430/Overview.html#list_of_direct_mappings2
15:17:08 <pgroth> q?
15:17:16 <dgarijo> I still have to push a couple of minor things, but that is the doc.
15:17:20 <pgroth> PROPOSED: to publish prov-dc as a Working Group note.
15:17:24 <stain> +1
15:17:28 <pgroth> +1
15:17:33 <Dong> +1
15:17:34 <SamCoppens> +1
15:17:35 <Paolo> +1
15:17:35 <zednik> +1 (RPI)
15:17:35 <TomDN> +1
15:17:36 <ivan> +1
15:17:40 <jcheney> +1
15:17:41 <hook> +1
15:17:45 <smiles> +1
15:17:53 <Curt> +1
15:18:01 <stain> no, it's a  note
15:18:20 <pgroth> Accepted: to publish prov-dc as a Working Group note.
15:18:33 <TomDN> pgroth: Congratulations Daniel and Simon.
15:18:37 <dgarijo> :)
15:18:42 <pgroth> Topic: PROV-Dictionary
15:18:44 <smiles> Kai not me
15:18:46 <TomDN> Zakim, unmute me
15:18:46 <Zakim> TomDN should no longer be muted
15:19:04 <TomDN> Tom: PROV-Dictionary staged
15:19:05 <TomDN> ... meets the pubrules as far as I can tell, and validates and passes the link-checker
15:19:07 <TomDN> ... All remaining issues pending review, want to close them, do we need a vote?
15:19:08 <TomDN> https://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/products/19
15:19:10 <TomDN> Tom: prov-n example needs to be validated.
15:19:12 <TomDN> ... still todo: check provenance of PROV-Dictionary
15:19:13 <TomDN> Tom: Document to vote on: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/dictionary/releases/NOTE-prov-dictionary-20130430/Overview.html
15:20:00 <pgroth> q?
15:20:05 <TomDN> pgroth: Comments?
15:20:30 <pgroth>  PROPOSED: to publish prov-dictionary as a Working Group note.
15:20:32 <TomDN> ... then we are ready to vote
15:20:37 <ivan> +1
15:20:38 <smiles> +1
15:20:39 <Curt> +1
15:20:40 <zednik> +1
15:20:40 <SamCoppens> +1
15:20:40 <Paolo> +1
15:20:43 <TomDN> +1 (!)
15:20:44 <pgroth> +1
15:20:44 <stain> +1
15:20:46 <hook> +1
15:20:48 <Dong> +1
15:20:48 <dgarijo> +1
15:20:53 <jcheney> +1
15:21:14 <pgroth> Accepted: to publish prov-dictionary as a Working Group note.
15:21:33 <TomDN> Zakim, mute me
15:21:33 <Zakim> TomDN should now be muted
15:21:35 <pgroth> Topic: PROV-XML
15:21:58 <TomDN> zednik: Got feedback from paul, luc and tom
15:22:17 <pgroth> q?
15:22:23 <TomDN> ... addressed everything, Editor's Draft is 99,99% finished.
15:22:32 <TomDN> ... Not staged yet, but will do soon
15:22:43 <TomDN> mine were all fine
15:22:54 <Curt> Did you go through all of Luc's annotated pages, Stephan?
15:22:56 <TomDN> pgroth: All my comments were addressed.
15:22:58 <jcheney> ok with me
15:23:06 <pgroth> q?
15:23:10 <Zakim> + +1.661.382.aagg
15:23:14 <zednik> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/tip/xml/prov-xml.html
15:23:14 <Curt> I saw a bunch of recent changes, but didn't look over everything recently
15:23:27 <TomDN> s/paul, luc and tom/paul, luc, james and tom
15:23:37 <pgroth>  PROPOSED: to publish prov-xml as a Working Group note.
15:23:45 <Dong> +1
15:23:46 <dgarijo> +1
15:23:47 <TomDN> +1
15:23:47 <smiles> +1
15:23:50 <hook> +1
15:23:51 <Paolo> +1
15:23:52 <jcheney> +1
15:23:52 <Curt> +1
15:23:54 <SamCoppens> +1
15:23:56 <ivan> +1
15:24:03 <zednik> +1 :-)
15:24:11 <stain> +1
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15:24:46 <TomDN> pgroth: any other comments?
15:24:50 <pgroth> Accepted: to publish prov-xml as a Working Group note.
15:25:10 <TomDN> pgroth: Congratulations Stephan, Curt and Hook!
15:25:14 <pgroth> Topic: PROV-Overview
15:25:20 <pgroth> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/overview/prov-overview.html
15:25:49 <TomDN> pgroth: made a few changes based on the received comments, thanks for those
15:26:18 <TomDN> pgroth: made colors correspond to document roadmap and layout correspond to dependencies between the document.
15:26:41 <dgarijo> yep
15:26:45 <TomDN> ... Also added core recommendations from the PROV Incubator Group, stating that we met all of them
15:26:53 <pgroth> q?
15:26:56 <TomDN> ... Any questions?
15:28:01 <TomDN> pgroth: One thing to discuss was: Did we meet the requirements?
15:28:10 <TomDN> ... There was one about accessing provenance.
15:28:31 <pgroth> q?
15:28:35 <TomDN> ... Luc didn't think we met it, but James and I did because we have the extensibility.
15:28:57 <TomDN> I think we certainly provide enough flexibility
15:29:07 <pgroth> q?
15:29:12 <pgroth> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/prov/XGR-prov-20101214/#Broad_Recommendations
15:29:19 <smiles> Isn't PAQ quite agnostic to provenance format?
15:29:30 <Curt> "
15:29:38 <TomDN> pgroth: Yes, the PROV-AQ is agnostic to format
15:29:42 <Curt> "show include a mechanism" I think we meet
15:29:42 <dgarijo> we provide a mapping to vocabularies that define terms to define licenses (DC).
15:29:47 <Curt> "should"
15:30:29 <dgarijo> no objections from my part.
15:30:30 <jcheney> sounds good to me
15:30:30 <smiles> Yes, I think we meet the requirement in a reasonable way
15:30:39 <TomDN> pgroth: So no objections to saying that we support this recommendation.
15:30:52 <pgroth> PROPOSED: to publish prov-overview as a Working Group note.
15:30:54 <dgarijo> +1
15:30:56 <SamCoppens> +1
15:30:57 <smiles> +1
15:30:58 <TomDN> +1
15:31:00 <ivan> +1
15:31:02 <jcheney> +1
15:31:03 <hook> +1
15:31:03 <stain> +1
15:31:03 <Curt> +1
15:31:05 <pgroth> +1
15:31:13 <lebot> +1
15:31:17 <Paolo> +1
15:31:20 <zednik> +1
15:31:30 <Dong> +1
15:31:42 <pgroth>  Accepeted: to publish prov-overview as a Working Group note.
15:31:57 <TomDN> pgroth: I'll stage it somewhere this week
15:32:33 <dgarijo> +q
15:32:40 <TomDN> pgroth: We'll be looking into promotion for the standard once it's published
15:33:09 <TomDN> WWW2013 is May 12th, we should promote it there I think.
15:33:25 <TomDN> dgarijo: Can we reuse the blog material and such on other websites?
15:33:33 <pgroth> q?
15:33:37 <pgroth> ack dgarijo
15:33:41 <TomDN> pgroth: Yes, but keep the provenance of it ;)
15:33:48 <stain> how sad!
15:34:03 <Zakim> - +1.315.330.aaee
15:34:04 <SamCoppens> Bye!
15:34:06 <Zakim> -dgarijo
15:34:06 <Dong> bye all
15:34:07 <Zakim> - +1.661.382.aagg
15:34:07 <Zakim> -jcheney
15:34:07 <Zakim> -Curt_Tilmes
15:34:07 <Zakim> -Ivan
15:34:08 <Zakim> -Paolo
15:34:08 <Zakim> -stain
15:34:10 <Zakim> -smiles
15:34:11 <TomDN> Zakim, unmute me
15:34:11 <Zakim> TomDN should no longer be muted
15:34:15 <Zakim> -Dong
15:34:17 <Zakim> -pgroth
15:34:19 <Zakim> -TomDN
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15:34:25 <Zakim> SW_(PROV)11:00AM has ended
15:34:26 <Zakim> Attendees were pgroth, Ivan, dgarijo, smiles, +329331aaaa, TomDN, Paolo, Curt_Tilmes, [IPcaller], SamCoppens, +44.131.467.aacc, +238059aadd, jcheney, stain, Dong, +1.315.330.aaee,
15:34:26 <Zakim> ... +1.818.731.aaff, +1.661.382.aagg
15:34:30 <pgroth> @ivan do you have time to chat?
15:34:43 <pgroth> rrsagent, set log public
15:34:48 <pgroth> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:34:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/04/18-prov-minutes.html pgroth
15:34:53 <pgroth> trackbot, end telcon
15:34:53 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
15:34:53 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
15:35:01 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:35:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/04/18-prov-minutes.html trackbot