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13:30:34 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 7394
13:30:34 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_RDWG()9:30AM scheduled to start now
13:30:35 <trackbot> Meeting: Research and Development Working Group Teleconference
13:30:35 <trackbot> Date: 17 April 2013
13:31:11 <markel> and the quality of the call is terribel
13:31:24 <shadi> zakim, this is rdwg
13:31:24 <Zakim> ok, shadi; that matches WAI_RDWG()9:30AM
13:31:53 <Zakim> +??P22
13:31:56 <Luz> Luz has joined #rd
13:31:57 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
13:31:57 <Zakim> On the phone I see [IPcaller], ??P19, [IPcaller.a], ??P21, [IPcaller.aa], ??P22
13:32:05 <Zakim> +Shadi
13:32:29 <Justin> zakim, IPcaller is me
13:32:29 <Zakim> +Justin; got it
13:32:32 <markel> I'll join again
13:32:47 <Vivienne> zakim, 41#
13:32:47 <Zakim> I don't understand '41#', Vivienne
13:32:53 <Vivienne> 41#
13:33:08 <Zakim> -??P19
13:33:15 <annika> zakim, ??P22 is me
13:33:15 <Zakim> +annika; got it
13:33:24 <Vivienne> zakim, IPcaller.a is me
13:33:24 <Zakim> +Vivienne; got it
13:33:37 <Zakim> +??P19
13:33:46 <markel> zakim, ??P19 is markel
13:33:47 <Zakim> +markel; got it
13:34:03 <Zakim> -??P21
13:34:19 <Zakim> +??P21
13:34:25 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
13:34:25 <Zakim> On the phone I see Justin, Vivienne, [IPcaller.aa], annika, Shadi, markel, ??P21
13:34:38 <christos> zakim, ??P21 is me
13:34:38 <Zakim> +christos; got it
13:34:45 <Luz> zakim, [IPcaller.aa] is me
13:34:45 <Zakim> +Luz; got it
13:34:50 <Vivienne> zakim, mute me
13:34:50 <Zakim> Vivienne should now be muted
13:34:51 <christos> zakim, mute me
13:34:52 <Zakim> christos should now be muted
13:34:54 <Luz> Zakim, mute me
13:34:54 <Zakim> Luz should now be muted
13:34:59 <annika> zakim, mute me
13:34:59 <Zakim> annika should now be muted
13:35:33 <Justin> revoluatipn
13:35:55 <shadi> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-rd/2013Apr/0029.html
13:36:08 <shadi> Chair: Harper_Simon
13:36:08 <shadi> Agenda+ Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments) [sharper]
13:36:08 <shadi> Agenda+ F-2-F Meeting Status (Update to the Dist. List)  [shadi]
13:36:08 <shadi> Agenda+ Metrics W3C Note Status (Update to the Dist. List)  [shadi]
13:36:08 <shadi> Agenda+ Charter Discussions (10m)  [sharper]
13:36:09 <shadi> Agenda+ Mobile W3C Note Status (5m)  [sharper]
13:36:11 <shadi> Agenda+ Text Customisation W3C Note Status (5m)  [shawn/david]
13:36:13 <shadi> Agenda+ Easy to Read W3C Note Status (5m)  [klaus]
13:36:17 <shadi> Agenda+ New Topics (15m)  [Yehya/Christos/Markku]
13:36:19 <shadi> Agenda+ New Layouts and progress in moving to this style (5m)  [shawn]
13:36:21 <shadi> Agenda+ Issues and Actions (Standing Item):
13:36:23 <shadi> https://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/tracker/ [sharper]
13:36:25 <shadi> Agenda+ Any Other Business (Standing Item) [sharper]
13:36:27 <shadi> zakim, drop agendum 1
13:36:27 <Zakim> agendum 1, Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments), dropped
13:36:32 <markel> should be me :-)
13:36:56 <markel> ok
13:36:57 <shadi> scribe: Markel
13:37:07 <shadi> scribenick: markel
13:37:21 <markel> zakim, take up item 1
13:37:21 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments)" taken up [from sharper via shadi]
13:37:37 <markel> zakim, next item
13:37:37 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, markel
13:37:46 <markel> zakim, take up item 2
13:37:46 <Zakim> agendum 2. "F-2-F Meeting Status (Update to the Dist. List) " taken up [from shadi]
13:37:46 <shadi> q?
13:37:54 <shadi> q- ipcaller.a
13:37:55 <shadi> q- ipcaller.aa
13:37:58 <markel> zakim, close item 1
13:37:58 <Zakim> agendum 1, Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments), closed
13:38:00 <Zakim> I see 10 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
13:38:00 <Zakim> 2. F-2-F Meeting Status (Update to the Dist. List)  [from shadi]
13:38:02 <shadi> q?
13:38:27 <shadi> q=
13:38:30 <shadi> q?
13:38:35 <shadi> queue=
13:39:13 <markel> SAZ: we did not get the confirmation for a room, we passed the 4 week deadline notification
13:39:22 <markel> SAZ: so we can't have a f2f meeting
13:39:53 <markel> SAZ: if any room was available we could arrange a sub meeting but it wouldn't be a formal meeting
13:40:04 <Luz> q+
13:40:05 <markel> SAZ: any question on this?
13:40:12 <shadi> ack luz
13:40:19 <Luz> Zakim, unmute me
13:40:19 <Zakim> Luz was not muted, Luz
13:40:50 <markel> LR: if we still need a room I can check availability in PUC Rio
13:41:12 <markel> LR: PUC is in the same area although not very close
13:41:28 <markel> LR: PUC campus is in the middle of a rainforest
13:42:03 <markel> SAZ: who would be able to make it for such a meeting? Traffic is quite jammed..
13:42:06 <Vivienne> I'd still like to try
13:42:10 <markel> SAZ: any reaction?
13:42:12 <Justin> too hard for me
13:42:12 <Luz> Zakim, mute me
13:42:12 <Zakim> Luz should now be muted
13:42:23 <markel> q+
13:43:11 <Luz> Yes. I agree about the informal location
13:43:19 <sharper> sharper has joined #rd
13:43:26 <markel> MV: since it is an informal meeting we could arrange it in an informal location
13:43:38 <Vivienne> If we could meet at the hotel where the conference is, that wuld be good.
13:43:44 <Luz> Ok
13:44:24 <markel> SAZ: agree that most people would be around the conference area; regarding the informal meeting we still need to work
13:44:34 <markel> I think we first need an agenda
13:44:56 <sharper> zakim, code?
13:44:56 <Zakim> the conference code is 7394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), sharper
13:45:12 <Zakim> +??P11
13:45:14 <markel> SAZ: SH would have a better answer on the overview of the ongoing/forthcoming work
13:45:26 <sharper> zakim, ??P11 is sharper
13:45:26 <Zakim> +sharper; got it
13:47:20 <markel> SAZ: is there any deliverable that would a candidate for such a meeting?
13:48:15 <markel> SH: nothing springs to mind..if we talk about prioritisation we need the agreement of the group
13:48:35 <markel> SH: maybe we can organise an event so that we can attract new people to the group
13:49:21 <markel> SH: I think it is a good idea to make it informal
13:49:40 <markel> SH: also, I don't know who is going to ASSETS, in october
13:50:00 <markel> http://www.sigaccess.org/assets13/
13:50:07 <markel> SAZ: we can make a poll for that
13:50:16 <markel> SAZ: any other thoughts on this?
13:50:22 <markel> zakim, close item 2
13:50:22 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, markel
13:50:32 <markel> zakim, take up item 3
13:50:32 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Metrics W3C Note Status (Update to the Dist. List) " taken up [from shadi]
13:50:39 <sharper> ack
13:51:00 <sharper> zakim, q?
13:51:00 <Zakim> I see markel on the speaker queue
13:51:03 <markel> q-
13:51:04 <sharper> ack mar
13:51:24 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/2011/metrics/note/ED-metrics-20130325
13:51:24 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/2011/metrics/note/ED-metrics
13:51:30 <markel> SAZ: finally, put the latest draft online
13:52:11 <markel> SAZ: these are already editors draft
13:52:24 <markel> SAZ: there were some comment by Annika that improved the note
13:52:43 <markel> SAZ: on the coordination group, we informed that we are going ahead with this
13:53:05 <markel> SAZ: the publication steps are going to be taken on the following days
13:53:26 <markel> zakim, close item 3
13:53:26 <Zakim> agendum 3, Metrics W3C Note Status (Update to the Dist. List) , closed
13:53:27 <Zakim> I see 9 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
13:53:27 <Zakim> 2. F-2-F Meeting Status (Update to the Dist. List)  [from shadi]
13:53:30 <markel> zakim, take up item 4
13:53:30 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Charter Discussions (10m) " taken up [from sharper via shadi]
13:53:48 <markel> zakim, close item 2
13:53:48 <Zakim> agendum 2, F-2-F Meeting Status (Update to the Dist. List) , closed
13:53:49 <Zakim> I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
13:53:49 <Zakim> 4. Charter Discussions (10m)  [from sharper via shadi]
13:54:13 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/charter4
13:54:27 <markel> SH: I want to open this to anybody and maybe SAZ can tell us why a charter exists and which purpose does it have
13:56:03 <markel> SAZ: the charter describes the scope and work of the group shaped as deliverables, milestones…basically why W3C is spending resources in this. Also it describes the profile of people that might be interested in joing, dependencies, communication protocols etc
13:56:43 <markel> SAZ: this is the 2nd charter. We learned a lot in the first charter, the wiki is fed and there's lots of background work done.
13:57:23 <markel> SAZ: we need a charter updated, which we agree on. We need the approval of the W3C so that they agree on devoting resources on the group.
13:58:09 <markel> SH: is this all?
13:58:21 <markel> SAZ: there might be some thing missing, I'll recheck
13:58:57 <markel> SH: we have to see how the brainstorming discussions, research topics to discuss will fit
13:59:22 <markel> SH: you got the timelines and milestones last week from me
14:00:06 <markel> SH: does anybody want to say about the charter, especially about new things to add?
14:00:24 <Vivienne> I'm fine
14:00:39 <markel> I guess silence means agreement
14:00:47 <markel> SH: I guess silence means agreement
14:01:26 <markel> SH: we will present the charter back to the group through email and it'll be discussed in the group
14:01:56 <markel> SAZ: if people refresh the link above it should be updated
14:02:33 <markel> SH: we will get to a point in the next 5 weeks that we will discuss this
14:02:38 <markel> zakim, close item 4
14:02:38 <Zakim> agendum 4, Charter Discussions (10m) , closed
14:02:39 <Zakim> I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:02:39 <Zakim> 5. Mobile W3C Note Status (5m)  [from sharper via shadi]
14:02:40 <markel>  zakim, take up item 5
14:02:41 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Mobile W3C Note Status (5m) " taken up [from sharper via shadi]
14:02:59 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/2012/mobile/note/ED-mobile.html
14:03:28 <markel> SH: the note was taken to the coordination group. Everything we do there goes very well. People from UAWG and ATWG are very pleased
14:04:19 <markel> SH: the coord. group has until next week to make comments. Jan Richards suggested to have  the English check, which is not a problem. People do like this work.
14:04:53 <markel> SH: I expect that for the 23rd next week we will have all the comments and for the following week we will be able to address these
14:05:41 <markel> SAZ: I wonder whether more review is needed..congratulations for this piece of work
14:05:58 <markel> SH: we are getting very good comments back from various experts
14:06:18 <markel> SAZ: it'd be great to make the feedback public
14:06:36 <markel> SAZ: so that the coord. sees it's been reviewed
14:06:39 <markel> SH: definitely
14:06:46 <markel>  zakim, close item 5
14:06:46 <Zakim> agendum 5, Mobile W3C Note Status (5m) , closed
14:06:47 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:06:47 <Zakim> 6. Text Customisation W3C Note Status (5m)  [from shawn/david via shadi]
14:06:48 <markel>  zakim, take up item 6
14:06:48 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Text Customisation W3C Note Status (5m) " taken up [from shawn/david via shadi]
14:07:24 <markel> SH: there is still no change, nor update. DS says "no change on the status of the research note"
14:07:38 <markel> SH: anything to say=
14:07:39 <markel> ?
14:07:50 <markel>  zakim, close item 6
14:07:50 <Zakim> agendum 6, Text Customisation W3C Note Status (5m) , closed
14:07:51 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:07:51 <Zakim> 7. Easy to Read W3C Note Status (5m)  [from klaus via shadi]
14:07:55 <markel>  zakim, take up item 7
14:07:56 <Zakim> agendum 7. "Easy to Read W3C Note Status (5m) " taken up [from klaus via shadi]
14:08:07 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/2012/easy-to-read/note/ED-E2R.html
14:08:07 <markel> SH: KM is not here but sent an email
14:08:58 <markel> SAZ: so we have a preliminary draft. We can have it read for next week
14:09:14 <markel> SH: I'll go through it next week.
14:09:29 <markel> SH: anything to say about E2R?
14:09:31 <markel>  zakim, close item 7
14:09:31 <Zakim> agendum 7, Easy to Read W3C Note Status (5m) , closed
14:09:32 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:09:32 <Zakim> 8. New Topics (15m)  [from Yehya/Christos/Markku via shadi]
14:09:37 <markel>  zakim, take up item 8
14:09:37 <Zakim> agendum 8. "New Topics (15m) " taken up [from Yehya/Christos/Markku via shadi]
14:09:58 <christos> zakim, ack me
14:09:58 <Zakim> unmuting christos
14:09:59 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
14:10:06 <markel> SH: Markku has been updating the wiki and he is up for it
14:10:19 <christos> https://www.dropbox.com/s/y2hsz76x7ss9r4k/user-modelling-call-rdwg-v1.1.docx
14:10:23 <markel> SH: I can take it for the coordination group next week
14:11:02 <markel> CH: this is a preliminary draft. Do you want to discuss anything now?
14:11:14 <markel> SH: what do you expect from it? which are the main points?
14:12:36 <markel> CHK: the main points are mainly: how existing approaches on user modelling can help web accessibility
14:13:35 <christos> problem with the moc
14:13:40 <christos> sorry
14:14:03 <markel> SH: any other business?
14:14:19 <sharper> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/CfP_Email_Boilerplate
14:14:35 <sharper> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/CfP_Webpage_Boilerplate
14:14:43 <shadi> +1 to following the template -- move additional background to the wiki
14:14:44 <shadi> q+
14:14:50 <shadi> ack me
14:14:53 <sharper> ack ashadi
14:15:35 <markel> SAZ: i think the metrics symposium is a great example on how a summary links to a larger document.
14:15:46 <markel> SAZ: so that information is disclosed on demand
14:16:00 <christos> I can hear
14:16:07 <christos> I can not speak...!!!
14:16:17 <christos> yes
14:16:21 <markel> SH: we'll skip the other business thing
14:16:41 <sharper> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Step-by-Step_Guide_for_Symposium_Chairs/Editors
14:16:45 <markel> SH: so CHK how does this sound to you (CFP boilerplate, etc)?
14:17:12 <christos> i think they are ok....
14:17:18 <markel> SH: the template for the webpage is also useful to follow
14:17:46 <markel> SH: do you think you would be able (with the help of YM) to put your draft into these templates?
14:17:53 <christos> yes
14:18:06 <markel> SH: excellent, thanks!
14:18:27 <markel> SH: any more questions about the UM topic or anything else?
14:18:38 <markel> SH: we are done for today
14:19:11 <markel> SH:see you next wednesday
14:19:13 <Vivienne> see you later then.
14:19:15 <Justin> toodles
14:19:16 <Luz> See you!
14:19:18 <annika> bye
14:19:19 <Zakim> -markel
14:19:20 <christos> sorry for the mix up... goodbye all...
14:19:21 <Zakim> -Vivienne
14:19:22 <markel> markel has left #rd
14:19:23 <Zakim> -sharper
14:19:25 <Zakim> -Shadi
14:19:26 <Zakim> -annika
14:19:27 <sharper> sharper has left #rd
14:19:38 <Zakim> -Luz
14:19:39 <shadi> trackbot, end meeting
14:19:39 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
14:19:39 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Shadi, Justin, annika, Vivienne, markel, christos, Luz, sharper
14:19:47 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:19:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/04/17-rd-minutes.html trackbot
14:19:48 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
14:19:48 <RRSAgent> I see no action items