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14:58:18 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM scheduled to start 58 minutes ago
14:58:19 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
14:58:19 <trackbot> Date: 11 April 2013
14:58:51 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has now started
14:58:58 <Zakim> +??P10
14:59:15 <janina> zakim, ??P10 is Janina_Sajka
14:59:15 <Zakim> +Janina_Sajka; got it
14:59:34 <janina> Meeting: HTML-A11Y Task Force Teleconference
14:59:34 <janina> Chair: Janina_Sajka
14:59:34 <janina> agenda+ Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List
14:59:37 <janina> agenda+ Upcoming HTML & PF F2F http://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/wg/2013-04-Agenda
14:59:39 <janina> agenda+ Longdesc Reminder http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ig/2013JanMar/0148.html
14:59:42 <janina> agenda+ TF Publication Process Redux http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013Mar/0080.html
14:59:45 <janina> agenda+ Media Followup
14:59:48 <janina> agenda+ Text Bugs (Continued)
14:59:50 <janina> agenda+ Subteam Reports: Bug Triage; AAPI Mapping;
14:59:53 <janina> agenda+ Actions Review http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/open
14:59:55 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
14:59:58 <janina> agenda+ Identify Scribe for the next TF teleconference http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List
15:00:01 <janina> agenda+ be done
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15:05:48 <Judy> zakim, [IPcaller] is Leonie
15:05:48 <Zakim> +Leonie; got it
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15:06:25 <IanPouncey> Zakim, [IPcaller] is me
15:06:25 <Zakim> +IanPouncey; got it
15:06:25 <Judy> zakim, +1.613.806.aaaa is David_M
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15:07:20 <hober> Zakim, Apple is me
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15:08:07 <janina> zakim, take up item 1
15:08:07 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List" taken up [from janina]
15:08:18 <janina> zakim, close item 1
15:08:18 <Zakim> agendum 1, Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List, closed
15:08:20 <Zakim> I see 10 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:08:20 <Zakim> 2. Upcoming HTML & PF F2F http://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/wg/2013-04-Agenda [from janina]
15:08:21 <janina> zakim, next
15:08:22 <Zakim> I don't understand 'next', janina
15:08:26 <janina> zakim, next item
15:08:27 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Upcoming HTML & PF F2F http://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/wg/2013-04-Agenda" taken up [from janina]
15:08:42 <LJWatson> scribe: Léonie Watson
15:09:08 <LJWatson> JS: The F2F is coming up. Meetings with Web Apps and HTML WG.
15:11:15 <LJWatson> JS: We're looking at alt bugs that the Text sub-team has surfaced.
15:12:12 <LJWatson> JS: Web Apps has a draft that we're interested in from an accessibility angle.
15:13:18 <JF> Q+
15:13:22 <LJWatson> JS: It may be an API for CJK input.
15:14:03 <LJWatson> JF: Tab Atkins proposed Cascading Attribute Sheets (CAS).
15:15:12 <janina> q?
15:15:16 <janina> ack jf
15:16:01 <LJWatson> JF: It abstracts an element's attributes into a separate sheet, then hooks them to the element via the class attribute.
15:16:35 <LJWatson> JF: Think it has potential for ARIA and/or accessibility.
15:17:16 <LJWatson> JF: Wonder whether we should go back to Tab and/or Web Apps to say we've looked at it?
15:17:28 <LJWatson> JS: Recall some email traffic on the TF list a while back.
15:18:01 <LJWatson> JS: Think focus now will be hard whilst we get ARIA 1.0 to the finishing line.
15:18:47 <LJWatson> JS: So think we're looking at ARIA 2.0.
15:19:12 <LJWatson> JF: CAS can embrace more than ARIA, so think it might be a potential HTML5.1 feature.
15:19:39 <janina> zakim, next item
15:19:39 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Longdesc Reminder http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ig/2013JanMar/0148.html" taken up [from janina]
15:20:19 <LJWatson> JS: No discussion, but please be mindful that this specification extension is out there.
15:21:03 <janina> zakim, next item
15:21:04 <LJWatson> JS: We're running this on a tight timetable. We'd like to move it to LC as soon as the W3C process permits, as soon as two weeks away.
15:21:04 <Zakim> agendum 4. "TF Publication Process Redux http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013Mar/0080.html" taken up [from janina]
15:22:02 <LJWatson> JS: FYI we have worked up a written statement of what our publications are.
15:22:25 <LJWatson> JS: Now is a good time to perfect it. Comments welcome.
15:22:32 <LJWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
15:22:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/04/11-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
15:22:38 <janina> zakim, next item
15:22:38 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Media Followup" taken up [from janina]
15:23:12 <LJWatson> JS: Following the conversation with Mark Watson last week, has anyone had the opportunity to look at the documents relating to this?
15:23:42 <LJWatson> JS: Does anyone has the URI?
15:24:08 <LJWatson> JS: Do we need alternative media to be encrypted?
15:24:30 <LJWatson> JS: We'll need to return to this.
15:26:08 <Judy> q+
15:27:53 <janina> q?
15:27:59 <janina> ack ju
15:28:50 <JF> Q+
15:28:51 <LJWatson> JS: Can we keep it a technology issue by duing due dilligence on where the alternative media might need to be encrypted?
15:29:24 <janina> q?
15:29:35 <LJWatson> JB: You can encrypt the main media in such a way that access with a screen reader is perceived to be an attack.
15:29:57 <janina> ack jf
15:31:14 <LJWatson> JF: The DAISY Consortium has a policy around DRM, are there any documented difficulties with that policy?
15:31:17 <janina> q?
15:31:23 <LJWatson> JS: No, not really.
15:32:01 <LJWatson> JF: I asked Mark about transcripts.
15:32:56 <LJWatson> JF: My concern is the animosity that exists around this topic. Suggest we look at the use cases. Don't want to create a problem that doesn't exist though.
15:33:10 <LJWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
15:33:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/04/11-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
15:34:04 <LJWatson> JS: A recent thread the phrase "latebinding" came up. Needing to support a third party that supplies content after the original source is released.
15:34:17 <LJWatson> s/latebinding/late binding/
15:34:56 <LJWatson> JS: I think this helps us.
15:35:24 <LJWatson> JF: If media source A uses encryption method A, but the alternate content is encrypted using encryption method B, the result could be messy.
15:35:52 <LJWatson> JS: That's what the HTML5 spec is intended to get aay from.
15:37:36 <LJWatson> JS: The W3C is creating a tool, it's technology/encryption agnostic.
15:38:33 <LJWatson> JS: Having two encryption methods for the the original content and its alternate content wouldn't be conformant.
15:38:45 <Judy> q+
15:38:58 <LJWatson> JF: But the encryption APIs would be conformant.
15:39:21 <LJWatson> JS: Could you look into this and put some concrete information together around it?
15:39:26 <LJWatson> JF: Sure.
15:39:44 <LJWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
15:39:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/04/11-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
15:40:37 <LJWatson> JS: First, do we have a need to encrypt an alternate media source?
15:40:51 <LJWatson> JS: Second, how should that alternate be encrypted?
15:40:58 <janina> q?
15:41:03 <janina> ack ju
15:41:23 <LJWatson> JB: We need some background and some specific information to proceed on.
15:41:46 <janina> zakim, next item
15:41:46 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Text Bugs (Continued)" taken up [from janina]
15:42:21 <MarkS> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8827
15:43:28 <LJWatson> MS: We'd like the text to be removed, but want to checkwith Steve that it isn't being addressed through his work with Robin.
15:43:42 <LJWatson> JS: Accepted.
15:43:44 <MarkS> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10455
15:44:40 <LJWatson> MS: Raised in response to the deprecation of longdesc. Recommend closing now Image Description extension is FPWD.
15:44:47 <LJWatson> JS: Accepted.
15:44:54 <MarkS> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10853
15:45:23 <LJWatson> MS: Also raised in response to longdesc being deprecated. Recommend closing it.
15:46:06 <LJWatson> JB: Suggest we're clear about the exact status change we're making.
15:49:16 <janina> q?
15:51:14 <MarkS> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10967
15:51:39 <LJWatson> MS: Another longdesc related bug. Recommend closing it.
15:52:10 <janina> q?
15:52:55 <LJWatson> JF: This bug includes content like video, audio etc. None of these are covered by the current Image Description extension.
15:54:43 <LJWatson> JS: We're confident that current browser and AT longdesc implementations will see the Image Description extension through LC and into the full spec.
15:55:18 <LJWatson> JS: If we extend its remit, that may not happen. We should get longdesc back into the spec then extend its capability.
15:56:00 <LJWatson> JS: Should e postpone it?
15:58:00 <LJWatson> LW: Suggest we open a fresh bug when the time comes. We can add space in the bug triage area of the wiki so it doesn't drop off our radar.
15:58:15 <Judy> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/describekeywords.cgi
15:58:36 <LJWatson> JS: Good idea.
15:59:24 <LJWatson> JF: Suggest using reviewerSatisfied keyword.
15:59:32 <LJWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
15:59:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/04/11-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
16:00:10 <Zakim> -hober
16:00:20 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
16:00:32 <Zakim> -David_M
16:00:34 <Zakim> -Leonie
16:00:35 <Zakim> -Judy
16:00:35 <Zakim> -John_Foliot
16:00:36 <Zakim> -Mark_Sadecki
16:00:40 <Zakim> -Janina_Sajka
16:03:04 <LJWatson> Present: Janina Sajka, Judy Brewer, Léonie Watson, Mark Sadecki, John Foliot, Michael Cooper
16:03:13 <LJWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
16:03:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/04/11-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
16:03:30 <Zakim> -IanPouncey
16:03:31 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has ended
16:03:31 <Zakim> Attendees were Janina_Sajka, Mark_Sadecki, Judy, Leonie, IanPouncey, David_M, John_Foliot, hober, Michael_Cooper
16:05:39 <LJWatson> zakim, please part
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16:06:00 <LJWatson> rrsagent, please part
16:06:00 <RRSAgent> I see no action items