13:04:49 RRSAgent has joined #webtv 13:04:50 logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/04/03-webtv-irc 13:04:58 zakim, who is here? 13:04:58 On the phone I see giuseppe, Kazuyuki, Clarke, Bin, bryan 13:04:58 Meeting: web and tv testing tf 13:04:58 present+ Bryan_Sullivan 13:05:00 On IRC I see RRSAgent, bryan, yosuke, Bin, giuseppep, Clarke, Zakim, kaz, timeless, trackbot 13:05:03 Chair: Clarke 13:05:07 Scribe: Kaz 13:05:20 scribenick: kaz 13:06:04 agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-web-and-tv/2013Apr/0001.html 13:06:32 +[IPcaller] 13:06:32 drop the GTM link in IRC? 13:06:46 zakim, IPcaller is yosuke 13:06:46 +yosuke; got it 13:06:50 topic: liaison letter 13:06:59 clarke: sent out an updated version 13:07:05 ... and got comments from Giuseppe 13:07:46 clarke: removing coremob 13:08:03 ... any other comments on this? 13:08:06 h 13:08:11 the table is here: http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Testing/Feature_Coverage_Table 13:08:40 clarke: if no comments, Giuseppe should go ahead and send it out 13:09:41 giuseppe: you can update the text and send it to me 13:09:46 ... and I can send it out 13:09:49 q+ to ask if we need to add OMA for BCAST? 13:09:55 clarke: will do 13:09:58 q? 13:10:13 bryan: do we need to add OMA for BCAST? 13:10:16 clarke: good 13:10:23 the list is here: http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Testing#Resources 13:10:30 clarke: do you want to be the contact person? 13:10:45 ... Mohamed from Orange would be a good starting point 13:11:08 s/... Mohamed/bryan: Mohamed/ 13:11:32 clarke: any other suggestions? 13:11:33 (none) 13:11:57 q- 13:12:06 clarke: Giuseppe suggested a poll 13:12:42 giuseppe: accelerate organizations by asking their opinions 13:13:24 clarke: my suggestion is using wiki and ask people to fill in 13:13:34 giuseppe: we can use the questionnaire system of W3C 13:13:42 ... need to talk with the systeam 13:13:49 ... and kaz could help 13:14:08 action: giuseppe to work with kaz to create an online poll 13:14:08 Created ACTION-107 - Work with kaz to create an online poll [on Giuseppe Pascale - due 2013-04-10]. 13:14:27 clarke: any questions? 13:14:27 (none) 13:14:29 topic: use cases 13:15:14 s/accelerate/involve Web&TV members/ 13:15:27 -> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Testing#Use_Cases tf wiki 13:15:53 giueppe: some work by Orange on benchmark 13:16:02 ... something else we can look at 13:16:06 ... will do it 13:16:27 clarke: three new use cases added by Bin 13:16:47 (ISSUE-62, ISSUE-63, ISSUE-64) 13:17:16 bryan has joined #webtv 13:17:27 giuseppe: trying to understand why these three items were listed as use cases 13:18:22 ... these specs (EME, etc.) are important 13:18:29 ... do we want to list them as use cases? 13:18:33 q+ to clarify that we were trying to figure out what the point of the use cases were, by offering some 13:18:35 + +1.514.461.aacc 13:18:38 ... what would be the best way? 13:18:51 clarke: requirement document is our delivelable 13:19:42 clarke: requirements for testing ecosystem 13:19:51 ... testing features, etc. 13:20:24 ack bryan 13:20:24 bryan, you wanted to clarify that we were trying to figure out what the point of the use cases were, by offering some 13:20:24 ack b 13:21:13 bryan: my suggestion is focusing on features 13:21:37 ... organizing test framework is handled by the testing wiki organized by Tobie 13:22:09 ... at least CoreMob has decided to hand off testing topics to the Testing TF 13:22:37 giuseppe: the plan is not running this TF for years 13:23:13 ... bringing our requirements to the testing wiki 13:23:48 ... after our having discussion on our own requirements, we can join them 13:24:38 bryan: we can put ides on the table 13:25:03 http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Testing#The_Web_.26_TV_Testing_task_force_will_do_the_following: 13:25:04 clarke: testing features beyond what we've done or the testing initiative would be useful 13:25:50 giuseppe: if you see the above link on "what the TV testing TF do" 13:26:22 ... there is description on what will be done 13:26:28 ... input from industry 13:26:35 so would you consider the use cases created by the other TF's in a similar vein 13:27:26 bryan: you got a use case here 13:27:41 ... e.g., tablet-based TV 13:27:47 http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Testing/Web_%26_TV_Testing_Discussions#Candidate_Use_Cases 13:28:07 bryan: which web&tv technology would be used? 13:29:20 giuseppe: correcting priority would be what we should do 13:29:46 clarke: we've got service discovery use case 13:30:07 ... individual use case would be added to requirements for testing framework 13:30:35 giuseppe: use cases which have impact for testing framework 13:31:05 ... if those use cases highlight issues of the testing framework, it would be great 13:31:11 so it would be helpful for the "will do the following" part of the wiki to clarify what the use cases will focus on 13:32:27 giuseppe: benchmarking may need additional api 13:32:52 bryan: use cases drives the discussion on testing framework. right? 13:33:29 ... it would be better to add some clarification 13:33:42 ... on what the use cases will focus on 13:33:50 clarke: do you want to add some text? 13:34:04 giuseppe: adding some high level bullet 13:34:49 clarke: we're specifically searching for requirements for the testing framework 13:34:58 sorry for the confusion, I think at least for us the intent is clear now 13:35:50 action: clarke to add clarification on what use cases for testing tf focus on 13:35:50 Created ACTION-108 - Add clarification on what use cases for testing tf focus on [on Clarke Stevens - due 2013-04-10]. 13:35:51 bryan: no problem, is ok to have these discussions 13:37:09 action: Bin to coordinate with Mark on possible modification 13:37:09 Error finding 'Bin'. You can review and register nicknames at . 13:38:55 Kaz, you can use Bin_Hu, which is registered 13:39:04 I am registering Bin now 13:39:13 as nickname 13:39:22 clarke: will continue to use wiki format for web&tv testing requirements document 13:39:24 Thanks 13:39:34 [ adjourned ] 13:39:45 -Clarke 13:39:48 -Bin 13:39:50 -yosuke 13:39:56 Thanks for scribing, Kaz 13:39:57 -bryan 13:39:58 - +1.514.461.aacc 13:39:59 -giuseppe 13:40:03 rrsagent, make log public 13:40:07 -Kazuyuki 13:40:09 UW_WebTVIG()9:00AM has ended 13:40:09 Attendees were Kazuyuki, giuseppe, +1.303.730.aaaa, Clarke, Bin, +1.425.214.aabb, bryan, yosuke, +1.514.461.aacc 14:05:03 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:05:03 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/04/03-webtv-minutes.html kaz 15:29:32 Zakim has left #webtv 15:35:37 giuseppep has left #webtv 17:40:52 glenn has joined #webtv 18:03:46 kaz has joined #webtv 18:11:37 rrsagent, bye 18:11:37 I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2013/04/03-webtv-actions.rdf : 18:11:37 ACTION: giuseppe to work with kaz to create an online poll [1] 18:11:37 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/04/03-webtv-irc#T13-14-08 18:11:37 ACTION: clarke to add clarification on what use cases for testing tf focus on [2] 18:11:37 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/04/03-webtv-irc#T13-35-50 18:11:37 ACTION: Bin to coordinate with Mark on possible modification [3] 18:11:37 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/04/03-webtv-irc#T13-37-09