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15:00:03 <ArtB> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2013AprJun/0003.html
15:00:08 <ArtB> Chair: Art
15:00:14 <ArtB> Meeting: Pointer Events WG Voice Conference
15:00:23 <Zakim> RWC_PEWG()11:00AM has now started
15:00:30 <Zakim> +scott_gonzalez
15:00:31 <ArtB> Regrets: Rick_Byers, Olli_Pettay
15:01:08 <Zakim> +Art_Barstow
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15:01:29 <Cathy> Present+ Cathy_Chan
15:01:47 <Zakim> +Cathy
15:01:52 <ArtB> Present+ Scott_González
15:01:57 <ArtB> Present+ Art_Barstow
15:02:05 <ArtB> RRSAgent, make minutes
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15:02:46 <Zakim> +Matt_Brubeck
15:02:56 <ArtB> Present+ Matt_Brubeck
15:03:07 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
15:04:04 <ArtB> Present+ Asir_Vedamuthu
15:04:25 <Zakim> +Doug_Schepers
15:04:33 <ArtB> Present+ Doug_Schepers
15:04:37 <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
15:04:45 <ArtB> Present+ Jacob_Rossi
15:05:11 <ArtB> Topic: Getting started
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15:05:16 <ArtB> AB: I posted a draft agenda yesterday http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2013AprJun/0003.html. The main subject is to discuss the status of the LC comment processing.
15:05:27 <ArtB> AB: any change requests?
15:05:34 <ArtB> Topic: Status of Last Call comment processing
15:05:39 <ArtB> AB: Jacob created the comment tracking document https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/pointerevents/raw-file/tip/dc.html.
15:05:50 <ArtB> AB: it appears we have replies from everyone except Mose Bottacini (#9) and Yandex/Charles (#13-#17).
15:06:01 <ArtB> AB: Asir followed up with Mose and asked him to reply by April 8. In the absence of any additional feedback from Mose by the 8th, I propose we continue with the group's resolution and not block on him.
15:06:29 <ArtB> AB: any concerns Doug?
15:06:55 <ArtB> DS: I'm comfortable with that if we can defend it
15:07:29 <ArtB> AB: Jacob replied to him, Asir pinged him again. I think an additional week should be reasonable
15:07:41 <ArtB> AB: Rick and I followed up with Charles. Charles indicated in IRC today that he will ask Sergey to reply.
15:08:05 <ArtB> AB: Chaals understand we are waiting for him and Yandex to reply
15:08:26 <ArtB> AB: anything else on the comment processing?
15:08:37 <ArtB> JR: I would like everyone to please check the Web IDL changes
15:09:04 <ArtB> … I made one change and then committed something different
15:09:12 <ArtB> … Please take a look all
15:09:23 <ArtB> AB: please look at the new IDL changes
15:09:27 <jrossi21> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/pointerevents/raw-file/tip/pointerEvents.html#extensions-to-the-element-interface
15:09:36 <ArtB> … and ask you to reply to the list if you do review
15:09:52 <ArtB> … Want a record that people looked at the change
15:10:09 <ArtB> Topic: Moving Pointer Events spec to Candidate Recommendation
15:10:15 <ArtB> AB: when I created the draft agenda, I was hopeful we would have closed  the comment loop with all of the `Commenters` and thus we would be in a position to determine if we have consensus to move the spec to CR.
15:10:28 <ArtB> AB: we aren't quite there yet but might be by next week's call.
15:10:53 <ArtB> Topic: Testing: status, plans
15:10:59 <ArtB> AB: any status or news re testing?
15:11:06 <ArtB> AB: it's a bit tricky to create tests when the implementations are lacking which is a segue to our next topic ...
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15:11:29 <ArtB> Topic: Any other Business
15:11:35 <ArtB> AB: any implementation status to share? When can we expect a Public version of IE that support the standard?
15:11:56 <ArtB> JR: I can't comment on specific release timeframes
15:12:09 <ArtB> … but we are following the spec closely
15:12:19 <shepazu> q+
15:12:21 <ArtB> … and expect to update our implementation to conform to the spec
15:12:35 <ArtB> AB: anything new Matt re Mozilla?
15:12:50 <ArtB> MB: lots of discussion. Main issue is getting resources to work on it
15:12:54 <asir> q+
15:13:00 <ArtB> AB: any status on the WebKit port
15:13:13 <ArtB> AV: on a weekly basis, we are posting updates
15:13:22 <ArtB> … you can track that on the WebKit forum
15:14:20 <ArtB> AB: do you have an idea when a WebKit-based browser will have an impl?
15:14:24 <ArtB> AV: I don't have any dates
15:14:30 <ArtB> … Rick might know more
15:14:37 <ArtB> … that is certainly our goal
15:14:51 <ArtB> AB: so in the mean time, use "MS" prefix
15:15:11 <ArtB> AB: anything else on impl for today?
15:15:13 <ArtB> [ No ]
15:15:39 <ArtB> DS: I talked to some LeapMotion people at SxSW
15:15:44 <jrossi21> q+
15:15:47 <ArtB> … they want to make sure it works well with the Web
15:16:03 <ArtB> … LeapMotion is a 3D detector
15:16:14 <ArtB> … I respect JR's comment re z-axis
15:16:27 <ArtB> … There is a lot of buzz/interest re 3D
15:16:40 <ArtB> … Want to know though about the next steps to manage requests like this?
15:16:56 <ArtB> … Do we have a v2 feature list?
15:17:03 <ArtB> AB: yes, it is at the bottom of the agenda
15:17:18 <ArtB> DS: do we have a timeframe for v2?
15:17:37 <ArtB> … we have a good idea about v1 status
15:17:46 <ArtB> … have we publized the v2 list?
15:18:06 <ArtB> … can we say "it's X-X number of months before we start v2?"
15:18:22 <ArtB> … it will help with our engagement with folks like LeapMotion
15:18:28 <ArtB> … It could help bring them in
15:18:49 <ArtB> JR: I have also talked to Josh from LeapMotion and Bill
15:19:06 <ArtB> … I think our engagement has been useful
15:19:15 <ArtB> … I now have a LM device
15:19:36 <ArtB> … I think a projection of PE onto 3D can be done
15:19:47 <ArtB> … but there are some issues e.g. coordinate mapping
15:19:57 <ArtB> … I think we have done the right things for v1
15:20:12 <ArtB> … that facilitate the experimentation of other devices
15:20:29 <ArtB> … Re timeline for v2, agree a goal would be "noble"
15:20:39 <ArtB> … but I think we really need to finish v1 first
15:20:57 <ArtB> … Don't want to get distracted from finishing v1
15:21:18 <ArtB> DS: how complete is our test suite?
15:21:22 <ArtB> AB: maybe 1%
15:21:39 <ArtB> DS: so let's set a timeline for the test suite
15:21:54 <jrossi21> Work? who does that!?
15:21:59 <ArtB> … can we identify the assertions, what tests are needed
15:22:24 <ArtB> … understand that without impls, it is a bit hard to write tests
15:22:35 <ArtB> … There is a TestTheWebForward
15:22:46 <ArtB> MB: I can go to that since it is in Seattle
15:22:48 <jrossi21> http://testthewebforward.org/events/seattle-2013.html
15:23:00 <jrossi21> I should be there.
15:23:03 <ArtB> DS: would be good if some of us went to that event and asked for help
15:23:13 <ArtB> … need to know which tests we need
15:23:19 <ArtB> … could get some good tests
15:23:34 <ArtB> … Need to take steps to correct the test definciency
15:24:21 <ArtB> AB: agree it would be useful to tease out specific actions for the test suite
15:24:51 <ArtB> … FYI, Cathy made good progress on the Test Assertion document
15:24:52 <Cathy> http://www.w3.org/wiki/PointerEvents/TestAssertions
15:25:07 <ArtB> DS: that's great Cathy
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15:25:42 <ArtB> AB: can anyone agree to take some assertions and create tests?
15:25:50 <ArtB> JR: I want to get my team involved
15:26:05 <ArtB> … we are committed to contribute
15:26:26 <ArtB> SG: I can help with some of the tests
15:26:31 <ArtB> AB: excellent
15:26:55 <ArtB> DS: can we identify different types of tests?
15:27:19 <ArtB> … f.ex. there is some commonality of pointerdown, pointerdown
15:27:35 <ArtB> … It could help with an event like TTWF
15:28:03 <ArtB> … Need a template that others can follow/use/extend
15:29:21 <ArtB> AV: would be useful to update the TA wiki with coverage and who is working on what
15:29:41 <ArtB> CC: I still need to do some more work
15:29:50 <asir> Congratulations Cathy!!
15:31:07 <ArtB> AB: could you please give us some status about which parts are complete and where we have gaps?
15:31:12 <ArtB> CC: yes, I can do that
15:31:31 <jrossi21> this is how Microsoft stress tests touch. Give your tablet to a 4 year old
15:31:34 <jrossi21> :-)
15:32:17 <ArtB> AB: if people can volunteer for assertions today, that would be great
15:32:33 <ArtB> … otherwise, send your TA items to the list
15:32:38 <ArtB> SG: ok; will do
15:33:02 <ArtB> DS: "compatibility tables" say where features are supported
15:33:10 <ArtB> … I have been doing some related automation work
15:33:46 <ArtB> … with WebPlatform.org, want the features' impl status to be current
15:34:07 <ArtB> … using a library from CanIUse.com
15:34:27 <ArtB> … working toward taking W3C test suites and report back to test assertions
15:35:07 <ArtB> … I could prototype taking our Impl results and mapping them to feature stability
15:36:20 <ArtB> AB: everyone please review the TA doc and notify the list when you identified the TAs you will create tests for
15:36:34 <ArtB> AV: what are the expectations for next call (April 9)?
15:36:56 <ArtB> AB: hopefully, we will be in a position to see if we have consensus to move to CR
15:37:07 <ArtB> … depends on the reponses from Yandex and Mose
15:37:28 <ArtB> AB: plan on a call on April 9
15:37:42 <ArtB> AB: meeting adjourned
15:37:48 <Zakim> -[Microsoft.a]
15:37:50 <Zakim> -Doug_Schepers
15:37:51 <Zakim> -Cathy
15:37:54 <Zakim> -scott_gonzalez
15:37:56 <Zakim> -Art_Barstow
15:37:58 <Zakim> -asir
15:38:10 <Zakim> -Matt_Brubeck
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15:38:12 <Zakim> Attendees were scott_gonzalez, Art_Barstow, Cathy, Matt_Brubeck, Doug_Schepers, asir
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15:40:48 <scott_gonzalez> ArtB Cathy: Where are the existing tests stored?
15:42:08 <ArtB> scott_gonzalez https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/pointerevents/raw-file/default/tests/pointerevents-v1/
15:42:46 <scott_gonzalez> thanks
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