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15:48:33 <Ian> zakim, this will be site
15:48:33 <Zakim> ok, Ian; I see Team_Comm()12:00PM scheduled to start in 12 minutes
15:59:43 <Zakim> Team_Comm()12:00PM has now started
15:59:51 <Zakim> + +1.917.477.aaaa
16:00:06 <Zakim> +Ian
16:00:08 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
16:00:28 <Ian> zakim, [Microsoft] holds Robin_Ginn
16:00:28 <Zakim> +Robin_Ginn; got it
16:00:37 <Ian> zakim, aaaa is Bev Corwin
16:00:37 <Zakim> I don't understand 'aaaa is Bev Corwin', Ian
16:00:41 <Zakim> + +1.808.783.aabb
16:00:44 <Ian> zakim, aaaa is Bev Corwin
16:00:44 <Zakim> I don't understand 'aaaa is Bev Corwin', Ian
16:00:49 <Ian> zakim, aaaa is Bev+Corwin
16:00:49 <Zakim> +Bev+Corwin; got it
16:01:04 <Ian> zakim, aabb is Michael_Nieling
16:01:04 <Zakim> +Michael_Nieling; got it
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16:01:24 <Ian> Ian has changed the topic to: http://www.w3.org/wiki/Headlights2013/SiteRedesign
16:01:30 <Zakim> + +1.423.488.aadd
16:01:50 <Ian> zakim, 615 is Laura_Creekmore
16:01:50 <Zakim> sorry, Ian, I do not recognize a party named '615'
16:01:57 <Ian> zakim, aacc is Laura_Creekmore
16:01:57 <Zakim> +Laura_Creekmore; got it
16:02:09 <bevcorwin> Hello
16:02:09 <Ian> zakim, aadd is Kelly_McCarthy
16:02:09 <Zakim> +Kelly_McCarthy; got it
16:02:18 <dorian> dorian has joined #site-design
16:02:19 <Ian> zakim, who's here?
16:02:19 <Zakim> On the phone I see Bev+Corwin, Ian, [Microsoft], Michael_Nieling, Laura_Creekmore, Kelly_McCarthy
16:02:22 <Zakim> [Microsoft] has Robin_Ginn
16:02:22 <Zakim> On IRC I see dorian, bevcorwin, Zakim, RRSAgent, Ian
16:02:27 <Kelly> Kelly has joined #site-design
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16:03:27 <Ian> Regrets: Troy Allison
16:03:30 <Ian> Chair: Ian Jacobs
16:03:45 <Ian> Regrets+ Noreen Whysel
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16:04:40 <Ian> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-site-design/2013Mar/0003.html
16:04:57 <dorian> one moment, feeding skype
16:05:04 <Ian> :)
16:05:06 <Ian> zakim, who's here?
16:05:06 <Zakim> On the phone I see Bev+Corwin, Ian, [Microsoft], Michael_Nieling, Laura_Creekmore, Kelly_McCarthy
16:05:08 <Zakim> [Microsoft] has Robin_Ginn
16:05:08 <Zakim> On IRC I see rginn, MJN, lcreekmo, Kelly, dorian, bevcorwin, Zakim, RRSAgent, Ian
16:05:18 <dorian> kind of surprised the w3c didn't spring for a teleconf service
16:05:49 <Ian> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-site-design/2013Mar/0003.html Agenda
16:06:09 <Ian> -> http://www.w3.org/wiki/Headlights2013/SiteRedesign home page for the project
16:06:27 <Ian> Topic: Introductions around the table
16:06:48 <bevcorwin> Dorian - are you going to dial in to the call?
16:07:07 <Ian> intros:
16:07:09 <Ian> Ian Jacobs
16:07:12 <Ian> Bev Corwin
16:07:21 <Ian> -> https://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=61899&public=1 Participants list
16:08:04 <Ian> ...lots of experience in web application development, also interest in w3c
16:08:09 <dorian> like i said bev, feeding skype because i don't want to pay 40c/min or whatever it is
16:08:11 <Ian> Robin Ginn (MS)
16:08:25 <dorian> canada
16:08:49 <Ian> Michael Nieling
16:09:40 <Ian> Laura Creekmore
16:09:56 <Ian> ...Creek Content (Nashville)...content strategy and info architecture...mostly in health care space
16:10:15 <Ian> Kelly McCarthy
16:10:32 <Ian> ....Easy Designs
16:10:48 <dorian> thanks ian that's good to know for future ref
16:10:51 <Ian> ....helping with project management
16:11:04 <Ian> ...getting Phase I off the ground
16:11:21 <Ian> http://www.w3.org/2001/12/zakim-irc-bot -> bot instructions
16:11:24 <bevcorwin> Dorian I'll try to add you from here.
16:11:51 <Ian> "q+"
16:11:56 <Ian> q?
16:12:09 <Ian> zakim, mute me
16:12:09 <Zakim> Ian should now be muted
16:12:11 <Ian> zakim, unmute me
16:12:11 <Zakim> Ian should no longer be muted
16:12:31 <Ian> Minutes to be public
16:12:46 <Ian> zakim, who's making noise?
16:12:59 <Zakim> Ian, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: Bev+Corwin (65%), Ian (39%)
16:13:19 <Ian> Dorian Taylor
16:14:22 <Ian> Minutes will be public
16:14:39 <Ian> topic: Background and draft goals for this project
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16:23:22 <Ian> http://www.w3.org/wiki/Headlights2013/SiteRedesign#Phase_I
16:23:27 <Zakim> + +1.423.838.aaee
16:23:37 <Ian> zakim, aaee is Aaron_Gustafson
16:23:37 <Zakim> +Aaron_Gustafson; got it
16:23:46 <Ian> topic: Phase I
16:23:50 <Ian> http://www.w3.org/wiki/Headlights2013/SiteRedesign#Phase_I
16:24:27 <Ian> webplatform.org
16:27:05 <Zakim> + +1.604.723.aaff
16:27:17 <Ian> zakim, aaff is Dorin
16:27:17 <Zakim> +Dorin; got it
16:27:21 <Ian> zakim, aaff is Dorian
16:27:21 <Zakim> sorry, Ian, I do not recognize a party named 'aaff'
16:27:27 <Ian> zakim, Dorin is Dorian
16:27:27 <Zakim> +Dorian; got it
16:30:35 <Ian> http://www.w3.org/wiki/Headlights2013/SiteRedesign#Goals
16:31:23 <Ian> IJ: Anything else in the goals section?
16:31:35 <Ian> Laura: +1 to content strategy development as a goal
16:31:53 <Ian> dorian: Would you consider the main product of the site to be the tech reports?
16:33:36 <Ian> Products:
16:33:38 <Ian>  * specifications
16:33:49 <Ian>  * venue (memberships, community groups, menu of groups)
16:34:05 <Ian>  * testing resources (increasingly) .....another site?
16:34:10 <Ian>  * web developer resources -> webplatform.org
16:34:18 <Ian>  * validator.w3.org
16:34:29 <Ian> * a little training
16:34:39 <Ian> * html5 logo
16:35:26 <Ian> dorian: I was mostly thinking about the temporality of resources on a site.
16:35:37 <Ian> ....e.g., the TRs are supposed to persist across time
16:35:52 <Ian> ...persistent artifacts
16:36:46 <Ian> ...also a question of digestable chunks
16:36:58 <lcreekmo> I think it will be interesting to see what your research says about the audiences and how they view W3C/and the site. One big opportunity I see looking in from outside is potential to make your resources more accessible, and to more easily direct people to the place they need to be.
16:38:43 <Ian> mailing lists
16:39:09 <Ian> --> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2013Mar/0158.html random page
16:40:05 <Ian> Laura: I thought your list of products and services as an org is useful
16:40:05 <Ian> ...will be useful to see the brand research
16:40:15 <dorian> (for the IAI mailing lists I'm considering putting them on the web as SIOC in RDFa)
16:40:30 <Ian> Laura: What we want to share v. what audiences want to find
16:40:37 <Ian> q+ to talk about brand research
16:41:10 <Ian> ack me
16:41:10 <Zakim> Ian, you wanted to talk about brand research
16:41:43 <Kelly> also actual usage stats
16:42:12 <Ian> q?
16:42:13 <Ian> http://www.w3.org/wiki/Headlights2013/SiteRedesign#Notes_on_Preliminary_Qualitative_Brand_Research
16:44:48 <dorian> the w3c presents as an interested party, but the interest is benevolent (i.e. TBL)
16:46:17 <dorian> (re that disconnect with developers, the xhtml2 vs html5 schism probably didn't help)
16:46:34 <Kelly> q? brand research vs. org vision?
16:47:20 <Ian> Kelly: Looking at brand research ... has anyone in the branding team looked at "brand research" v. "organizational vision"?
16:48:19 <dorian> early on in my career, my view of the w3c was like the chinese proverb "the mountain is high and the emperor is far away"
16:48:42 <dorian> (~15 years ago)
16:52:56 <Ian> IJ: Should we write down some of the org vision bits in the wiki?
16:52:58 <Ian> Kelly: Yes
16:53:11 <Ian> ...important to have that as a touch point for other work.
16:53:58 <bevcorwin> where is the best org vision page?
16:55:16 <Ian> Ian...Stewardship is an important issue where we straddle various topics
16:55:42 <Ian> Robin: Visual identity do we have from a governance perspective.
16:57:23 <Ian> IJ: Not much in the way of rules
16:57:40 <bevcorwin> A no rules rule?
16:58:04 <dorian> the favicon looks like an inkling of new design
16:58:05 <Ian> http://www.w3.org/html/logo/
16:59:30 <Zakim> -Michael_Nieling
17:00:28 <Ian> q?
17:01:42 <Ian> http://www.w3.org/wiki/ModernGuide
17:02:36 <lcreekmo> Wow. Useful stuff, especially with the kind of organization that you are/want to be.
17:02:49 <Ian> Topics: W3C audiences/users and their needs
17:03:08 <Ian> Analytics
17:03:19 <Ian> http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Legal/privacy-statement-20000612
17:04:09 <lcreekmo> wooooooow.
17:04:17 <dorian> i assume you keep apache logs? :)
17:04:57 <dorian> because i did this a while back, just from apache logs: http://doriantaylor.com/visualizing-paths-through-the-web
17:05:19 <lcreekmo> From one perspective, that's really lovely. But it would be even better if we could figure out a privacy-sensitive way to do analytics. Wouldn't that be a great benefit to the whole community?
17:05:29 <Ian> IJ: I will keep you posted
17:05:55 <lcreekmo> q+
17:06:08 <Ian> ack laura
17:06:14 <Ian> IJ: What should we do with analytics......and non-analytics?
17:06:53 <bevcorwin> enterprise search?
17:07:35 <dorian> yeah, $GOOG webmaster tools
17:07:37 <AaronGustafson> Google Webmaster Tools
17:07:41 <AaronGustafson> jinx
17:07:47 <bevcorwin> lol
17:07:50 <dorian> heheh
17:08:12 <Ian> IJ: Custom / enterprise search?
17:11:22 <dorian> q? how do you reconcile that with the fact that google and microsoft are members?
17:11:51 <bevcorwin> sorry for speaking out of queue. lol
17:11:58 <Ian> action: Ian to add explicitly search strategy and relation to analytics to wiki
17:12:08 <Ian> q?
17:12:17 <Ian> ack laura
17:12:33 <AaronGustafson> Alexa: http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/w3.org
17:12:58 <Ian> IJ: Surveys?
17:13:56 <Ian> IJ: Interviews?
17:14:29 <bevcorwin> Both
17:14:34 <Ian> Robin: I sent informal email within MS about this
17:14:43 <Ian> +1 to both set of base questions and open questions
17:15:34 <Ian> http://www.w3.org/wiki/Headlights2013/SiteRedesign#W3C_Audiences
17:15:41 <bevcorwin> Stakeholders mappings internal / external / etc.
17:19:05 <bevcorwin> Has anyone w/ W3C created a standards library w/ taxonomy, etc., of all the standards out there like the programmable web's API library?
17:20:34 <dorian> reference implementations of specs, examples etc
17:21:09 <dorian> have you considered allocating parcels of a couple grand apiece to designers to do demos
17:21:12 <dorian> ?
17:21:24 <dorian> designers and developers i should say
17:22:17 <lcreekmo> ouch.
17:22:25 <bevcorwin> I like "good enough practices" lol
17:22:42 <Kelly> Just a remainder that we have ~8 mins remaining. :)
17:23:26 <bevcorwin> Any research available for performance metrics?
17:23:27 <lcreekmo> Ugh, bless your heart. :)
17:23:52 <dorian> everybody is so polite
17:23:54 <lcreekmo> q+
17:23:57 <Ian> ack lcr
17:24:09 <Ian> Laura: It does sound like there's a decent body of work that needs to happen
17:24:21 <Ian> ...it sounds like good thinking on starting point..and what challenges and limitations are.
17:24:24 <Ian> ...they are useful to us
17:24:26 <bevcorwin> Indeed
17:24:47 <Ian> ...there are lot of good questions to ask...now it seems to me a matter of prioritization...and talking to audiences
17:24:48 <Ian> q?
17:26:18 <bevcorwin> To the how - suggest asking if we can enable insiders to present questions, surveys, etc. and coordinate with us.
17:26:38 <Ian> IJ: Insider survey? External survey?
17:27:20 <Ian> bevcorwin: We can get some of the audience reps to help with questions, surveys.
17:28:05 <Ian> ...ask, e.g., a chair to see if chair interested in identifying questions, sitting in on an interview or two
17:28:58 <Ian> IJ: Ok for internal, what about external?
17:29:55 <Ian> bevcorwin: What about community groups?
17:30:08 <Ian> +1
17:30:53 <dorian> can we get those figures minuted?
17:31:00 <dorian> or a link
17:31:01 <dorian> :)
17:31:08 <Ian> IJ: 2500 individuals
17:31:12 <Ian> ...933 non-members
17:31:20 <Ian> ...173 members
17:31:44 <Ian> bevcorwin: We could also tap into organizations (IAI)
17:31:52 <Ian> iJ: +1 to w3c member developer communities
17:33:23 <Ian> IJ: We are also redesigning cg site
17:33:27 <dorian> business ecosystem
17:33:41 <dorian> (<=> inventory of stakeholders)
17:33:47 <Ian> bevcorwin: Do you have audiences classed out?
17:33:48 <Ian> Ian: No
17:33:52 <Ian> http://www.w3.org/wiki/Headlights2013/SiteRedesign#W3C_Audiences
17:34:27 <Kelly> q+
17:34:27 <dorian> e.g. http://doriantaylor.com/file/iai-postcard-recto;scale=500,316
17:34:29 <Ian> ACTION: Bev to suggest how to flesh out audiences / stakeholders
17:34:34 <Ian> ack kelly
17:35:07 <Ian> Kelly: Let's schedule next teleconf...and find actions / questions we want to answer.
17:36:08 <Ian> IJ: for assets..please add to wiki your notes
17:36:49 <Ian> IJ: For next time...please think about how Phase I should go
17:38:15 <Ian> ACTION: Robin to write down baseline questions for (1) chairs and (2) members generally for internal interviews/survey within the membership
17:39:17 <AaronGustafson> I am happy to help review
17:39:22 <AaronGustafson> for external
17:39:24 <dorian> will review as well
17:39:27 <Ian> ACTION: Ian to work with Bev on set of questions for external audiences to give feedback.
17:39:29 <Kelly> me too
17:39:45 <Ian> Topic: Next meeting
17:41:13 <Ian> Constraints?
17:41:16 <Ian> bevcorwin: not mondays
17:41:30 <dorian> likewise; mondays are mental
17:41:53 <dorian> i would say standing constraint not earlier than 8am pst
17:41:58 <lcreekmo> all depends on the day for me. i'm flexible...
17:42:08 <Ian> Proposed: 1pm ET on 9 April
17:42:08 <Ian> (Tuesday, 9 April)
17:42:14 <lcreekmo> that works
17:42:16 <dorian> that should be fine
17:42:45 <Ian> And then 23 April same time: 1pm ET
17:42:45 <lcreekmo> same time? that works on 4/23.
17:42:53 <dorian> ok
17:43:02 <bevcorwin> dates are ok
17:43:05 <Kelly> maybe a doodle poll so we can maybe pick up some of the folks not on this call
17:43:54 <Ian> ACTION: Kelly to propose doodle poll suggesting other times for those not on call.
17:44:03 <Ian> q?
17:44:09 <Ian> rrsagent, make logs
17:44:09 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make logs', Ian.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
17:44:16 <Ian> rrsagent, make minutes
17:44:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/04/01-site-design-minutes.html Ian
17:44:22 <Ian> rrsagent, set logs public
17:44:54 <lcreekmo> That is really fun. :)
17:44:55 <Ian> IJ: Let me know if we need to correct the minutes
17:45:14 <bevcorwin> :-)
17:46:01 <Zakim> -Laura_Creekmore
17:46:03 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
17:46:04 <Zakim> -Bev+Corwin
17:46:04 <Zakim> -Aaron_Gustafson
17:46:06 <Zakim> -Dorian
17:46:07 <Zakim> -Ian
17:46:07 <Zakim> -Kelly_McCarthy
17:46:07 <Zakim> Team_Comm()12:00PM has ended
17:46:07 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.917.477.aaaa, Ian, Robin_Ginn, +1.808.783.aabb, Bev+Corwin, Michael_Nieling, +1.615.500.aacc, +1.423.488.aadd, Laura_Creekmore, Kelly_McCarthy, +1.423.838.aaee,
17:46:08 <Zakim> ... Aaron_Gustafson, +1.604.723.aaff, Dorian
17:53:34 <Ian> rrsagent, bye
17:53:34 <RRSAgent> I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2013/04/01-site-design-actions.rdf :
17:53:34 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ian to add explicitly search strategy and relation to analytics to wiki [1]
17:53:34 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/04/01-site-design-irc#T17-11-58
17:53:34 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Bev to suggest how to flesh out audiences / stakeholders [2]
17:53:34 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/04/01-site-design-irc#T17-34-29
17:53:34 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Robin to write down baseline questions for (1) chairs and (2) members generally for internal interviews/survey within the membership [3]
17:53:34 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/04/01-site-design-irc#T17-38-15
17:53:34 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ian to work with Bev on set of questions for external audiences to give feedback. [4]
17:53:34 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/04/01-site-design-irc#T17-39-27
17:53:34 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Kelly to propose doodle poll suggesting other times for those not on call. [5]
17:53:34 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/04/01-site-design-irc#T17-43-54
17:53:38 <Ian> zakim, bye
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