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17:00:09 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_PF
17:00:09 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(AAPI)1:00PM scheduled to start now
17:00:10 <trackbot> Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
17:00:10 <trackbot> Date: 28 March 2013
17:00:19 <clown> zakim, what conference is this?
17:00:19 <Zakim> this will be WAI_PFWG(AAPI)1:00PM conference code 2274, clown
17:00:48 <clown> rrsagent, make log public
17:00:55 <clown> zakim, what conference is this?
17:00:55 <Zakim> this will be WAI_PFWG(AAPI)1:00PM conference code 2274, clown
17:01:23 <clown> zakim, what conference is this?
17:01:23 <Zakim> this will be WAI_PFWG(AAPI)1:00PM conference code 2274, clown
17:02:28 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(AAPI)1:00PM has now started
17:02:35 <Zakim> +[GVoice]
17:02:42 <clown> zakim GVoice is Joseph_Scheuhammer
17:02:51 <clown> chair:  Joseph_Scheuhammer
17:02:58 <clown> scribenick:  clown
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17:03:36 <clown> meeting:  WAI PF UAIG Weekly Teleconference
17:03:50 <clown> agenda:  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2013Mar/0048.html
17:03:59 <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
17:04:05 <clown> rrsagent, make minutes
17:04:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/03/28-aapi-minutes.html clown
17:05:17 <clown> Topic:  issue-558
17:05:24 <clown> issue-558?
17:05:24 <trackbot> ISSUE-558 -- Inconsistency between role mapping table for 'tab' role and states/properties mapping table for aria-selected='true' -- open
17:05:24 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/558
17:05:42 <clown> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_role_table
17:07:03 <clown> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testcases/edit/230
17:07:46 <clown> JS:  so if there is not tabpanel and no focus within it, is it okay if the tab has selected state?
17:08:03 <clown> CS:  the test file should be valid — should include a tabpanel.
17:08:14 <clown> JS:  yes, I tend to agree.  Perhaps this is a non-issue.
17:09:12 <clown> resolved:  issue 558 should be close, the test file should be modified to have real tablist.
17:10:21 <clown> topic:  issue-550
17:10:25 <clown> issue-550?
17:10:25 <trackbot> ISSUE-550 -- Come up with a date to stop editing UAIG in preparation for the next Last Call Draft -- open
17:10:25 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/550
17:12:09 <clown> topic:  action-1185
17:12:12 <clown> action-1185?
17:12:13 <trackbot> ACTION-1185 -- Cynthia Shelly to look into UIA Express and UIA mappings for role=heading to check for heading paragraph style. -- due 2013-03-28 -- OPEN
17:12:13 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1185
17:14:47 <clown> test case example:  https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/pfwg/raw-file/default/ARIA/1.0/tests/test-files/roles-plain-concrete/roles-plain-concrete-heading.html
17:17:17 <clown> topic:  action 851
17:17:21 <clown> action-851?
17:17:21 <trackbot> ACTION-851 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to look through APG design patterns re: menus for examples that relate to UAIG 5.8.4 -- due 2013-02-01 -- OPEN
17:17:21 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/851
17:20:28 <clown> CS:  we should switch to a "SHOULD" for menu events, and then see if AT vendors have a problem with that.
17:20:49 <clown> JS:  we could even go to last call and see if they make a comment on the document.
17:21:11 <clown> JS:  I will bring this suggestion back to Mon's meeting.
17:21:39 <clown> topic:  action-1152
17:21:42 <clown> action-1152?
17:21:42 <trackbot> ACTION-1152 -- Cynthia Shelly to investigate whether a pure UIA implementation does not have a description field -- due 2013-01-28 -- OPEN
17:21:42 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1152
17:22:07 <clown> CS:  still pending.
17:23:12 <clown> CS:  looking at the docs, and it looks like there might be something there for windows 8.  I need to look more closely.
17:23:26 <clown> CS:  narrator works.  implies that there is something there.
17:24:29 <clown> topic:  issue-556
17:24:33 <clown> issue-556?
17:24:33 <trackbot> ISSUE-556 -- Errata: posinset/setsize specs declare use only in lists/trees. Should probably include use for grids (on row, cells, and headers) -- closed
17:24:33 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/556
17:25:26 <clown> topic:  issue-558
17:25:30 <clown> issue-558?
17:25:30 <trackbot> ISSUE-558 -- Inconsistency between role mapping table for 'tab' role and states/properties mapping table for aria-selected='true' -- closed
17:25:30 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/558
17:26:17 <clown> topic:  556
17:26:20 <clown> issue-556>?
17:26:20 <trackbot> ISSUE-556 -- Errata: posinset/setsize specs declare use only in lists/trees. Should probably include use for grids (on row, cells, and headers) -- closed
17:26:20 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/556
17:27:16 <clown> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#document-handling_author-errors
17:28:54 <clown> CS:  I would be fine with all these author error defaulting to 'false'.
17:29:48 <clown> resolved;  change these default values to "false", but confirm with davidb.
17:31:31 <clown> topic:  bugzilla19772
17:31:32 <clown> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19772
17:33:43 <clown> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_state-property
17:33:57 <clown> Expose as ExpandCollapseState property of ExpandCollapse Control Pattern
17:34:54 <clown> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/pfwg/raw-file/default/ARIA/1.0/tests/test-files/roles-properties-supported/roles-properties-supported-button-aria-expanded-true.html
17:36:37 <clown> JS:  Rich wants to know what the actual value of ExpandCollapseState is.  Is it 1 vs 0?  or true vs false?  or expanded vs collapsed?
17:38:40 <clown> here is a comobobox test case:  https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/pfwg/raw-file/default/ARIA/1.0/tests/test-files/roles-properties-supported-inherited/roles-properties-supported-inherited-combobox-aria-expanded-true.html
17:39:21 <clown> CS:  the states that are exposed are expanded and collapsed.
17:41:32 <clown> JS:  I think that covers all the UIA issues and actions.
17:42:51 <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
17:43:24 <clown> CS:  I will work on finishing these remaining oustanding issues.
17:43:27 <clown> JS:  okay thanks.
17:48:29 <clown> regrets:  David_Bolter
17:48:51 <clown> RRSAgent:  make minutes
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17:50:04 <clown> zakim, please part
17:50:04 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were [GVoice], Cynthia_Shelly
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17:50:29 <clown> zakim, please part
17:50:34 <clown> RRSAgent:  make minutes
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17:51:35 <clown> present+ Joseph_Scheuhammer
17:51:38 <clown> RRSAgent:  make minutes
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17:51:59 <clown> present- [GVoice]
17:52:04 <clown> RRSAgent:  make minutes
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17:52:48 <clown> rrsagent, please part
17:52:48 <RRSAgent> I see no action items