13:00:35 RRSAgent has joined #webtv 13:00:35 logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/03/27-webtv-irc 13:00:52 Clarke has joined #webtv 13:01:00 yosuke has joined #webtv 13:01:12 sheau has joined #webtv 13:01:49 I'm logging. I don't understand 'this is web&tv', giuseppep. Try /msg RRSAgent help 13:03:35 zakim, who is here 13:03:35 giuseppep, you need to end that query with '?' 13:03:38 zakim, who is here? 13:03:38 sorry, giuseppep, I don't know what conference this is 13:03:39 On IRC I see sheau, yosuke, Clarke, RRSAgent, Zakim, Bin, giuseppep, timeless, trackbot 13:03:50 Graham has joined #webtv 13:05:22 kaz has joined #webtv 13:05:39 zakim, this is web+tv 13:05:39 sorry, giuseppep, I do not see a conference named 'web+tv' in progress or scheduled at this time 13:05:40 Mark_Vickers has joined #webtv 13:06:14 agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Testing/Agenda_Telco_27th_March_2013 13:06:18 zakim, who is here? 13:06:18 sorry, kaz, I don't know what conference this is 13:06:19 On IRC I see Mark_Vickers, kaz, Graham, sheau, yosuke, Clarke, RRSAgent, Zakim, Bin, giuseppep, timeless, trackbot 13:06:26 zakim, this is UW_WebTVIG 13:06:26 ok, giuseppep; that matches UW_WebTVIG()9:00AM 13:06:31 zakim, this will be webtv 13:06:31 ok, kaz, I see UW_WebTVIG()9:00AM already started 13:06:39 zakim, who is here? 13:06:39 On the phone I see +1.303.730.aaaa, [IPcaller], +1.858.774.aabb, +1.508.276.aacc, Bin, +1.425.283.aadd, +1.415.314.aaee, Mark_Vickers, [IPcaller.a] 13:06:42 On IRC I see Mark_Vickers, kaz, Graham, sheau, yosuke, Clarke, RRSAgent, Zakim, Bin, giuseppep, timeless, trackbot 13:07:18 clarke: Any open action items? 13:07:28 droh has joined #webtv 13:07:46 giuseppe: old items cleaned out. 13:08:42 zakim, [IPCaller] is me 13:08:43 +giuseppep; got it 13:09:02 clarke: will add action items to subsequent agendas 13:09:41 clarke: Next topic is letter to related organizations 13:12:43 clarke: (Reads draft liaison letter.) 13:14:12 clarke: mav: Should we send a list of specs and ask to check off list? 13:14:37 giuseppe: we could reference the table of specs recently posted. 13:16:26 sheau: Does link give enough clarity for groups not so familiar with W3C? 13:16:57 alternative link could be this: http://www.w3.org/wiki/Testing 13:17:19 sheau: For example, in ATSC, for example, they'd want more information. 13:17:59 clarke: Asks Sheau to draft some text 13:19:07 clarke: each liaison person can tailor the communication. 13:20:10 mav: suggests attaching list of spcs 13:20:28 clarke: will add list of specs 13:21:46 mav: Will info be member confidential or public? 13:22:19 giuseppe: We can make aggregate page public 13:25:52 Here's the table: http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Testing/Feature_Coverage_Table 13:26:02 giuseppe: Post aggregate responses on the public wiki. Send individual liaison responses only on the member mail list, not on the wiki. 13:28:50 giuseppe: Explain that there is a need to prioritize W3C testing work. 13:29:45 clarke: will ask for three level priority from liaison responses (i.e. low, medium, high) 13:30:57 shaeu: Do we want to ask for current level of reference? i.e. already referenced in spec, planned to be referenced, etc. 13:31:38 giuseppe: Perhaps addd a column for current spec usage 13:33:50 mav: Perhaps use required/optional/no referenced instead of low medium and high 13:34:28 clarke: Perhaps: Mandatory, Recommended, Not used 13:35:22 clarke: Other column could show Currently published vs. Future publication 13:36:18 Bin: Maybe ask for version number instead of Current/Future 13:36:55 sheau: We could also ask them to provide link to spec 13:38:16 mav: Column on current usage could be more sensitive. 13:38:41 giuseppe: organizations can respond how they wish 13:39:05 sheau: Suggest adding a column for comments. 13:39:32 clarke: Will send draft to list 13:40:27 giuseppe: Also include that response will be kept member confidential. 13:42:10 jcverdie has joined #webtv 13:42:15 giuseppe: asks where TV column came from 13:42:30 mav: TV column came from me. We should delete it 13:42:51 giuseppe: Suggests removing "Non W3C specs" 13:43:12 clarke: Agrees to remove "non-w3c specs" 13:44:05 giuseppe: suggest not including table in letter drafts until table more complete 13:44:43 giuseppe: When do we send it out? 13:45:10 clarke: Can be complete by next week. I'll have draft out before next week's meeting. 13:46:06 clarke: Next topic: use cases 13:47:17 giuseppe: (Describes process for creating a use cases while Clarke shows on screen sharing.) 13:48:32 giuseppe: (Describes process for creating ISSUE while Clarke demonstrates on screen sharing.) 13:49:29 giuseppe: New issue will create email to list. 13:50:58 giuseppe: Use the ISSUE-nnn in email or just reply to the original automatic posting 13:51:22 clarke: Next topic: Giuseppe to introduce his new use case. 13:52:35 giuseppe: Functional completeness not sufficient - performance also important for some specs. e.g. spec could be implemented correctly, but too slow to be useful. 13:53:22 giuseppe: One issue is browser support for timing tests. Some browsers support it, but it's not standard. 13:53:57 clarke: Some basic timing features would be useful and would meet this requirement. 13:54:21 clarke: If in test tool or code, you can say START TIMER and STOP TIMER 13:55:13 giuseppe: Problem is the response you get from JavaScript is not precise enough, so you need better support. 13:57:25 mav: Are there two outputs to this use case: 1. to spec missing API and 2. Suggest where to use performance testing 13:58:01 giuseppe: Yes. The two outputs go to two different groups. 13:58:19 giuseppe: Please provide comments on the use case to the list 13:58:21 - +1.415.314.aaee 13:58:22 -Bin 13:58:22 - +1.508.276.aacc 13:58:25 -[IPcaller.a] 13:58:28 -giuseppep 13:58:29 - +1.858.774.aabb 13:58:30 clarke: closes meeting 13:58:36 - +1.303.730.aaaa 13:58:37 -Mark_Vickers 13:58:50 Thanks for scribing, Mark 13:59:03 feel free to correct any errors. 14:04:21 Clarke has joined #webtv 14:05:01 disconnecting the lone participant, +1.425.283.aadd, in UW_WebTVIG()9:00AM 14:05:02 UW_WebTVIG()9:00AM has ended 14:05:02 Attendees were +1.303.730.aaaa, +1.858.774.aabb, +1.508.276.aacc, Bin, +1.425.283.aadd, +1.415.314.aaee, Mark_Vickers, giuseppep 14:14:10 zakim, draft minutes 14:14:10 I don't understand 'draft minutes', giuseppep 14:14:14 draft minutes 14:14:20 RSSAgent, draft minutes 14:14:29 RRSAgent, draft minutes 14:14:29 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/03/27-webtv-minutes.html giuseppep 14:15:30 made logs world-visible 14:15:38 RRSAgent, made logs world-visible 14:15:38 I'm logging. I don't understand 'made logs world-visible', giuseppep. Try /msg RRSAgent help 14:15:43 RRSAgent, make logs world-visible 14:15:50 draft minutes 14:16:01 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:16:01 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/03/27-webtv-minutes.html giuseppep 14:17:11 rrsagent, stop 14:26:04 chair: Clarke 14:26:06 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:26:06 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/03/27-webtv-minutes.html giuseppep 14:26:27 Chair: Clarke 14:26:29 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:26:29 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/03/27-webtv-minutes.html giuseppep 14:27:15 Present: Mark_Vickers, kaz, Graham, sheau, yosuke, Clarke, RRSAgent, Zakim, Bin, giuseppep, timeless, trackbot 14:27:31 Present: Mark_Vickers, kaz, Graham, sheau, yosuke, Clarke, Bin, giuseppep, 14:27:33 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:27:33 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/03/27-webtv-minutes.html giuseppep 14:29:18 rrsagent, help 14:29:57 rrsagent, stop