IRC log of wai-wcag on 2013-03-21

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Zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
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ok, trackbot, I see WAI_WCAG()4:00PM already started
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Meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
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+??P7
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Date: 21 March 2013
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20:05:04 [MichaelC]
zakim, who is on the phone?
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On the phone I see Gregg_Vanderheiden, [Adobe], Marc_Johlic, Loretta, [IPcaller], Katie_Haritos-Shea, Kathy_Wahlbin, Michael_Cooper, [IPcaller.a]
20:05:26 [MichaelC]
zakim, IPcaller.a is Kerstin_Probiesch
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+Kerstin_Probiesch; got it
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zakim, IPcaller is Adam_Solomon
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+Adam_Solomon; got it
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zakim, Adobe is Andrew_Kirkpatrcik
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+Andrew_Kirkpatrcik; got it
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zakim, Andrew is Andrew_Kirkpatrick
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+Andrew_Kirkpatrick; got it
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zakim, mute me
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Kerstin_Probiesch should now be muted
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scribe: Kathy
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chair; Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2013JanMar/0133.html
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TOPIC: LC-2744 : Proposed a failure of 2.4.3 focus order when dynamically inserting content
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http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/WD-WCAG20-TECHS/SCR26
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q+
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q-
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zakim, drop cooper
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Cooper is being disconnected
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-Cooper
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+Cooper
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-Andrew_Kirkpatrick
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zakim, drop Michael
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+Andrew_Kirkpatrick
20:47:42 [greggvanderheiden]
We do note that having content inserted above the current focus point without notifying the user of it and its location can be a problem for users who cannot see this. We don't currently have an SC however that forbids this. An advisory technique describing solutions to this, such as ARIA Live Regions, would be helpful. We have added this to our Post WCAG 2.0 wiki as well.
20:50:07 [greggvanderheiden]
This provision only says the the content is in a linear order. IF the person activates a control and changes the context - the (new/revised) content may still be in a logical order and meet the success criterion (2.4.3). Putting it behind their point of focus may not be helpful or even good but it is not a violation of 2.4.3. (Dropping the focus partway down the page on page entry would also have similar problems and not be good
20:50:08 [greggvanderheiden]
but is not a violation of 2.4.3 either.)
20:50:24 [greggvanderheiden]
This provision only says the the content is in a logical order. IF the person activates a control and changes the context - the (new/revised) content may still be in a logical order and meet the success criterion (2.4.3). Putting it behind their point of focus may not be helpful or even good but it is not a violation of 2.4.3. (Dropping the focus partway down the page on page entry would also have similar problems and not be good
20:50:24 [greggvanderheiden]
but is not a violation of 2.4.3 either.)
20:51:01 [greggvanderheiden]
We do note that having content inserted above the current focus point without notifying the user of it and its location can be a problem for users who cannot see this. We don't currently have an SC however that forbids this. An advisory technique describing solutions to this, such as ARIA Live Regions, would be helpful. We have added this to our Post WCAG 2.0 wiki as well.
20:51:38 [greggvanderheiden]
v
20:51:41 [greggvanderheiden]
We do note that having content inserted above the current focus point without notifying the user of it and its location can be a problem for users who cannot see this. We don't currently have an SC however that forbids this. An advisory technique describing solutions to this, such as ARIA Live Regions, would be helpful. We have added this to our Post WCAG 2.0 wiki as well.
20:52:09 [greggvanderheiden]
This provision only says the the content is in a logical order. IF the person activates a control and changes the context - the (new/revised) content may still be in a logical order and meet the success criterion (2.4.3).
20:52:10 [greggvanderheiden]
We do note that having content inserted above the current focus point without notifying the user of it, and its location can be a problem for users who cannot see this. We don't currently have an SC however that forbids this. An advisory technique describing solutions to this, such as ARIA Live Regions, would be helpful. We have added this to our Post WCAG 2.0 wiki as well. (Dropping the focus partway down the page on page entry
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would also have similar problems and not be good but is not a violation of 2.4.3 either.)
20:53:54 [Kathy]
RESOLUTION: Accepted as amended
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TOPIC: LC-2728 : Visual styling
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RESOLUTION: Accepted as proposed
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TOPIC: LC-2718 : H91: Using HTML form controls and links
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RESOLUTION: Change back to open issue
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TOPIC: LC-2631 : SCR18: Providing client-side validation and alert
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-Adam_Solomon
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RESOLUTION: Accepted as amended
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TOPIC: WCAG2ICT harmonization with M376 - Part 1 Introduction
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TOPIC: Edit to WCAG2ICT language for SC 1.1.1
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RESOLUTION: accept with removal of the "or appropriate" in rationale
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TOPIC: Edit to WCAG2ICT language for SC 2.2.2
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RESOLUTION: accept with addition "of the success criterion" after "...Note 2" or else it is unclear what note is being referred to.
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TOPIC: Edit to WCAG2ICT language for SC 2.4.2
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RESOLUTION: accepted as proposed
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TOPIC: Edit to WCAG2ICT language for SC 3.3.4
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RESOLUTION: accepted as proposed
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-Katie_Haritos-Shea
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bye
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-Bruce_Bailey
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bye
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bye
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-kerstin
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-Kathy_Wahlbin
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-Marc_Johlic
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-Kerstin_Probiesch
21:04:38 [Loretta]
zakim, who is here?
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On the phone I see Gregg_Vanderheiden, Loretta, Cooper, Andrew_Kirkpatrick
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On IRC I see marcjohlic, Zakim, RRSAgent, Loretta, greggvanderheiden, MichaelC, trackbot
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+??P2
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-Cooper
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zakim, ??P22 is Michael_Cooper
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sorry, MichaelC, I do not recognize a party named '??P22'
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zakim, ??P2 is Michael_Cooper
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+Michael_Cooper; got it
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-Andrew_Kirkpatrick
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-Loretta
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-Michael_Cooper
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-Gregg_Vanderheiden
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WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has ended
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Attendees were Gregg_Vanderheiden, Marc_Johlic, Loretta, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Kathy_Wahlbin, Michael_Cooper, Kerstin_Probiesch, Adam_Solomon, Andrew_Kirkpatrcik, Andrew_Kirkpatrick,
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... Bruce_Bailey, Cooper
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