20:04:27 RRSAgent has joined #wai-wcag 20:04:27 logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/03/21-wai-wcag-irc 20:04:29 RRSAgent, make logs public 20:04:29 Zakim has joined #wai-wcag 20:04:31 Zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG 20:04:31 ok, trackbot, I see WAI_WCAG()4:00PM already started 20:04:32 Meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference 20:04:32 +??P7 20:04:32 Date: 21 March 2013 20:04:51 +[IPcaller.a] 20:05:04 zakim, who is on the phone? 20:05:04 On the phone I see Gregg_Vanderheiden, [Adobe], Marc_Johlic, Loretta, [IPcaller], Katie_Haritos-Shea, Kathy_Wahlbin, Michael_Cooper, [IPcaller.a] 20:05:26 zakim, IPcaller.a is Kerstin_Probiesch 20:05:26 +Kerstin_Probiesch; got it 20:05:41 zakim, IPcaller is Adam_Solomon 20:05:41 +Adam_Solomon; got it 20:05:47 zakim, Adobe is Andrew_Kirkpatrcik 20:05:47 +Andrew_Kirkpatrcik; got it 20:05:54 kerstin has joined #wai-wcag 20:05:56 zakim, Andrew is Andrew_Kirkpatrick 20:05:56 +Andrew_Kirkpatrick; got it 20:06:06 marcjohlic has joined #wai-wcag 20:06:23 zakim, mute me 20:06:23 Kerstin_Probiesch should now be muted 20:08:01 scribe: Kathy 20:08:28 chair; Loretta_Guarino_Reid 20:08:30 agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2013JanMar/0133.html 20:10:04 TOPIC: LC-2744 : Proposed a failure of 2.4.3 focus order when dynamically inserting content 20:11:47 http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/WD-WCAG20-TECHS/SCR26 20:13:46 q+ 20:22:59 q- 20:33:38 +Bruce_Bailey 20:34:32 BBailey has joined #wai-wcag 20:38:35 +Cooper 20:39:23 zakim, drop cooper 20:39:23 Cooper is being disconnected 20:39:25 -Cooper 20:39:28 +Cooper 20:39:37 -Andrew_Kirkpatrick 20:39:43 zakim, drop Michael 20:39:43 Michael_Cooper is being disconnected 20:39:44 -Michael_Cooper 20:40:50 +Andrew_Kirkpatrick 20:47:42 We do note that having content inserted above the current focus point without notifying the user of it and its location can be a problem for users who cannot see this. We don't currently have an SC however that forbids this. An advisory technique describing solutions to this, such as ARIA Live Regions, would be helpful. We have added this to our Post WCAG 2.0 wiki as well. 20:50:07 This provision only says the the content is in a linear order. IF the person activates a control and changes the context - the (new/revised) content may still be in a logical order and meet the success criterion (2.4.3). Putting it behind their point of focus may not be helpful or even good but it is not a violation of 2.4.3. (Dropping the focus partway down the page on page entry would also have similar problems and not be good 20:50:08 but is not a violation of 2.4.3 either.) 20:50:24 This provision only says the the content is in a logical order. IF the person activates a control and changes the context - the (new/revised) content may still be in a logical order and meet the success criterion (2.4.3). Putting it behind their point of focus may not be helpful or even good but it is not a violation of 2.4.3. (Dropping the focus partway down the page on page entry would also have similar problems and not be good 20:50:24 but is not a violation of 2.4.3 either.) 20:51:01 We do note that having content inserted above the current focus point without notifying the user of it and its location can be a problem for users who cannot see this. We don't currently have an SC however that forbids this. An advisory technique describing solutions to this, such as ARIA Live Regions, would be helpful. We have added this to our Post WCAG 2.0 wiki as well. 20:51:38 v 20:51:41 We do note that having content inserted above the current focus point without notifying the user of it and its location can be a problem for users who cannot see this. We don't currently have an SC however that forbids this. An advisory technique describing solutions to this, such as ARIA Live Regions, would be helpful. We have added this to our Post WCAG 2.0 wiki as well. 20:52:09 This provision only says the the content is in a logical order. IF the person activates a control and changes the context - the (new/revised) content may still be in a logical order and meet the success criterion (2.4.3). 20:52:10 We do note that having content inserted above the current focus point without notifying the user of it, and its location can be a problem for users who cannot see this. We don't currently have an SC however that forbids this. An advisory technique describing solutions to this, such as ARIA Live Regions, would be helpful. We have added this to our Post WCAG 2.0 wiki as well. (Dropping the focus partway down the page on page entry 20:52:10 would also have similar problems and not be good but is not a violation of 2.4.3 either.) 20:53:54 RESOLUTION: Accepted as amended 20:54:09 TOPIC: LC-2728 : Visual styling 20:54:18 RESOLUTION: Accepted as proposed 20:54:34 TOPIC: LC-2718 : H91: Using HTML form controls and links 20:55:17 RESOLUTION: Change back to open issue 20:56:05 TOPIC: LC-2631 : SCR18: Providing client-side validation and alert 20:56:12 -Adam_Solomon 20:56:51 RESOLUTION: Accepted as amended 20:57:28 TOPIC: WCAG2ICT harmonization with M376 - Part 1 Introduction 20:59:44 TOPIC: Edit to WCAG2ICT language for SC 1.1.1 21:00:13 RESOLUTION: accept with removal of the "or appropriate" in rationale 21:00:26 TOPIC: Edit to WCAG2ICT language for SC 2.2.2 21:01:50 RESOLUTION: accept with addition "of the success criterion" after "...Note 2" or else it is unclear what note is being referred to. 21:02:05 TOPIC: Edit to WCAG2ICT language for SC 2.4.2 21:02:17 RESOLUTION: accepted as proposed 21:02:27 TOPIC: Edit to WCAG2ICT language for SC 3.3.4 21:02:33 RESOLUTION: accepted as proposed 21:03:02 -Katie_Haritos-Shea 21:03:25 bye 21:03:29 -Bruce_Bailey 21:03:37 bye 21:03:42 bye 21:03:52 -kerstin 21:04:08 -Kathy_Wahlbin 21:04:09 -Marc_Johlic 21:04:15 -Kerstin_Probiesch 21:04:38 zakim, who is here? 21:04:38 On the phone I see Gregg_Vanderheiden, Loretta, Cooper, Andrew_Kirkpatrick 21:04:39 On IRC I see marcjohlic, Zakim, RRSAgent, Loretta, greggvanderheiden, MichaelC, trackbot 21:04:51 +??P2 21:04:53 -Cooper 21:04:58 zakim, ??P22 is Michael_Cooper 21:04:58 sorry, MichaelC, I do not recognize a party named '??P22' 21:05:04 zakim, ??P2 is Michael_Cooper 21:05:04 +Michael_Cooper; got it 21:29:25 -Andrew_Kirkpatrick 21:29:30 -Loretta 21:29:34 -Michael_Cooper 21:29:36 -Gregg_Vanderheiden 21:29:37 WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has ended 21:29:37 Attendees were Gregg_Vanderheiden, Marc_Johlic, Loretta, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Kathy_Wahlbin, Michael_Cooper, Kerstin_Probiesch, Adam_Solomon, Andrew_Kirkpatrcik, Andrew_Kirkpatrick, 21:29:37 ... 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