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13:59:45 <Norm> zakim, this will be xporc
13:59:45 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, Norm
13:59:47 <Norm> zakim, this will be xproc
13:59:48 <Zakim> ok, Norm; I see XML_PMWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 1 minute
13:59:52 <Norm> rrsagent, set logs world-visible
13:59:52 <Norm> Meeting: XML Processing Model WG
13:59:52 <Norm> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2013/03/20-agenda
13:59:52 <Norm> Date: 20 Mar 2013
13:59:52 <Norm> Meeting: 229
13:59:52 <Norm> Chair: Norm
13:59:52 <Norm> Scribe: Norm
13:59:53 <Norm> ScribeNick: norm
13:59:53 <Zakim> XML_PMWG()10:00AM has now started
14:00:02 <Zakim> + +420.6.026.9.aaaa
14:00:16 <jfuller> I'm in the conference
14:00:33 <jfuller> telcon ... alone ...
14:00:43 <Norm> zakim, aaaa is jfuller
14:00:43 <Zakim> +jfuller; got it
14:00:49 <Zakim> -jfuller
14:00:49 <Norm> zakim, passcode?
14:00:50 <Zakim> XML_PMWG()10:00AM has ended
14:00:50 <Zakim> Attendees were +420.6.026.9.aaaa, jfuller
14:00:50 <Zakim> the conference code is 97762 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), Norm
14:00:58 <Zakim> XML_PMWG()10:00AM has now started
14:01:04 <Zakim> +??P3
14:01:09 <Norm> zakim, ??p3 is me
14:01:09 <Zakim> +Norm; got it
14:01:19 <Norm> jfuller: come back! :-)
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14:02:21 <Zakim> +Jeroen
14:02:28 <Vojtech> zakim, jeroen is me
14:02:28 <Zakim> +Vojtech; got it
14:02:43 <alexmilowski> Ringing, ringing, ringing, … hangup
14:02:55 <Norm> try again, alexmilowski
14:03:00 <Norm> maybe zakim just doesn't like you this morning
14:03:12 <Zakim> +Alex_Milows
14:03:57 <jfuller> note I've updated home page http://www.w3.org/XML/Processing/
14:04:09 <jfuller> (added link to date2type xproc ref)
14:04:48 <jfuller> and updated http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/docs/xproc-zip_unzip.html Zip/Unzip note which I would like to add to todays (minor questions) or next week agenda
14:05:37 <Norm> zakim, who's here?
14:05:37 <Zakim> On the phone I see Norm, jfuller, Vojtech, Alex_Milows
14:05:38 <Zakim> On IRC I see Vojtech, Zakim, RRSAgent, Norm, alexmilowski, ht_home, jfuller, liam
14:05:53 <Norm> Present: Norm, Jim, Vojtech, Alex
14:05:57 <Norm> Regrets: Mohamed, Murray
14:06:13 <Norm> Topic: Accept this agenda?
14:06:13 <Norm> -> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2013/03/20-agenda
14:06:38 <Norm> + discussion of the zip/unzip step: http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/docs/xproc-zip_unzip.html
14:07:08 <Norm> Accepted.
14:07:08 <Norm> Topic: Accept minutes from the previous meeting?
14:07:08 <Norm> -> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2013/03/13-minutes
14:07:18 <Norm> Accepted.
14:07:22 <Norm> Topic: Next meeting: 27 Mar 2013?
14:07:32 <Norm> No regrets heard.
14:07:36 <Norm> Topic: Review of open action items
14:07:43 <Norm> A-227-01 completed
14:09:03 <Norm> Topic: Use cases and requirements
14:09:12 <Norm> No progress.
14:09:52 <jfuller> <scribe> ACTION: A-228-01 Jim to incorporate such a table into the new Use Cases and Requirements document. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/03/13-xproc-minutes.html#action01]
14:09:58 <Norm> b
14:10:30 <Norm> Topic: Zip and unzip steps
14:11:07 <Norm> Jim: Are we going to have a policy on namespaces in notes?
14:11:19 <Norm> ...In the p:template note, we put the steps in the standard XProc namespace.
14:11:25 <Norm> ...Are we going to follow that convention?
14:11:40 <Norm> Norm: I think we can put the steps we publish as W3C Notes in the XProc namespace.
14:11:55 <Norm> No objections heard.
14:12:44 <Norm> Jim: There's an open question about character sets. If you unzip an archive, and you get a file, what is the charset? Did we agree to amend the c:file element to include a charset?
14:12:50 <Norm> Jim: If not, I think we should.
14:13:16 <Norm> Norm: I think it's a good idea, whether we did or not, I think you can add it in the zip/unzip note.
14:14:07 <Norm> Jim: On the zip step, we output the zip file on the result port.
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14:15:32 <Norm> Norm: I thought the zip file updated a file at the @href location.
14:15:55 <Norm> Alex: To some extent this depends on what we do with binaries and the pipeline in V.next.
14:16:21 <Norm> ...You could do what you're doing now, or if we get binary working, you could pass the zip file back.
14:16:38 <Norm> ...How quickly do we want this to be published?
14:16:48 <Norm> ...I have some questions about this relating to EPUB3 and encryption.
14:17:00 <Norm> ...I don't know if we can answer them that quickly.
14:17:10 <Norm> Jim: I reviewed EPUB3 and I think this step can do it.
14:17:17 <Norm> ...The missing bit is the signature.
14:17:54 <Norm> Some discussion of encryption and signatures for EPUB3
14:18:19 <Norm> Norm: I don't think we have to rush to publish it.
14:20:15 <Norm> Norm: There are two levels of encryption, a zip file can contain encrypted or it can contain encrypted items.
14:21:21 <Norm> Jim: What happens if you have more documents on the source port than you specify in the manifest.
14:21:32 <Norm> ...Is that an error? Do we want to add an option?
14:21:45 <Norm> Norm: I'd be content with either it's an error or they get ignored.
14:22:50 <Norm> Some discussion of how to zip files that are sitting on disk.
14:25:54 <Norm> Some discussion of the src attribute on the zip:entry
14:26:58 <Norm> Jim observes that it's not finished; he just had some questions.
14:27:37 <Norm> Jim: If we're going to publish this before V.next; we'll have to make it work with V.next.
14:27:39 <Norm> zakim, mute alex
14:27:39 <Zakim> Alex_Milows should now be muted
14:27:49 <Norm> ...but we can republish it after V.next, right?
14:27:51 <Norm> Norm: Yes.
14:27:52 <alexmilowski> I've muted myself.
14:28:01 <Norm> zakim, unmute alex
14:28:01 <Zakim> Alex_Milows should no longer be muted
14:28:28 <Norm> Alex: Is there a simple zip that we could put in here that would work today.
14:28:32 <Norm> s/today./today?/
14:31:05 <Norm> Norm rambles about some of the open questions
14:31:49 <jfuller_> I think we can make a 'simple' example of zip that satisfies Alex concern
14:31:50 <Norm> Vojtech: The zip step is different from p:store or p:xsl-formatter; it returns something different.
14:32:05 <Norm> ...In V.next we might want to return the binary data from those steps as well.
14:32:36 <Norm> ...Maybe we should do the same thing from p:zip, just return a URI that points to the ZIP file.
14:32:47 <Norm> Norm: I could live with that.
14:33:32 <Norm> Norm: We do need a p:zip-manifest step (or an option on p:unzip) that returns the manfiest.
14:33:38 <Norm> s/manfiest/manifest/
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14:36:45 <Norm> Topic: Bug 20995
14:36:45 <Norm> -> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20995
14:39:07 <Norm> Jim: I'm not sure there is an answer.
14:39:23 <Norm> Alex: I still maintain that it will be true during the execution of that XPath expression.
14:39:40 <Norm> ...And if it's evaluated later, it'll be true during that expression as well, even if it's different from the first time.
14:40:56 <Norm> Alex: If I store a document and then later load it, do I get the same document.
14:42:59 <Norm> Norm: In XSLT, you can't produce two xsl:result-documents with the same URI, but we don't impose that limitation.
14:43:15 <Norm> Alex: If the execution context is each individual step, then you get the expected results.
14:43:36 <Norm> ACTION: Norm to make this point as a comment in bug 20995.
14:43:58 <Norm> Topic: Bug 21002
14:44:04 <Norm> -> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21002
14:45:17 <Norm>   <p:pipeline version='1.0' name="pipeline"
14:45:17 <Norm>               xmlns:p="http://www.w3.org/ns/xproc">
14:45:17 <Norm>     <p:option name="opt" required="true"/>
14:45:17 <Norm>     <p:identity/>
14:45:17 <Norm>   </p:pipeline>
14:45:47 <Norm> Vojtech: For the outer pipeline, this isn't really a static check.
14:45:54 <Norm> Norm: The outer-most evaluation is certainly special.
14:47:41 <Norm> Vojtech: In the command-line case, it's certainly on the boundary between the static evaluation phase and the run phase.
14:48:03 <Norm> Alex: It would be nice to leave it open to implementors.
14:48:13 <Norm> ...At minimum it should be a dynamic error.
14:48:41 <Norm> Norm: I don't want to make it a dynamic error.
14:49:00 <Norm> Vojtech: We could say it's a static error not to pass an option.
14:50:44 <Norm> Norm: I propose that we remove the word invoke and add a note that says that the top-level execution is a little bit special
14:51:59 <Norm> ACTION: Norm to comment on 21002 with proposed wording.
14:52:25 <Norm> Vojtech: We could say that the top level case is conceptually the same as having a pipeline that imports your pipeline and runs it.
14:53:02 <Norm> Norm: I'm hoping we don't need to go to that level of detail.
14:53:44 <Norm> Topic: Any other business?
14:54:37 <Norm> Alex: Can we do something about Henry's actions?
14:54:41 <Norm> Norm: Are you volunteering?
14:54:51 <Norm> Alex: If I knew exactly what the changes were...
14:55:00 <Norm> Norm: I'll see if I can point you to it or something.
14:55:40 <ht> I'll do them right now
14:55:50 <ht> I just got an hour of my life back
14:55:56 <Norm> yay! :-)
14:56:03 <Norm> Adjourned.
14:56:07 <Zakim> -Vojtech
14:56:08 <Zakim> -jfuller
14:56:10 <Norm> rrsangent, set logs world-visible
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14:56:15 <Zakim> XML_PMWG()10:00AM has ended
14:56:15 <Zakim> Attendees were Norm, jfuller, Vojtech, Alex_Milows
14:56:22 <Norm> rrsagent, set logs world-visible
14:56:26 <Norm> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:56:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/03/20-xproc-minutes.html Norm
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