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14:15:58 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 7394
14:15:58 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_RDWG()10:30AM scheduled to start in 15 minutes
14:15:59 <trackbot> Meeting: Research and Development Working Group Teleconference
14:15:59 <trackbot> Date: 20 March 2013
14:23:34 <Zakim> WAI_RDWG()10:30AM has now started
14:23:41 <Zakim> +??P0
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14:28:03 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:28:22 <Luz> zakim, [IPcaller] is me
14:28:22 <Zakim> +Luz; got it
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14:29:38 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:29:43 <Vivienne> zakim, IPcaller is me
14:29:53 <Zakim> +Vivienne; got it
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14:30:43 <Zakim> +Shadi
14:30:48 <Zakim> +??P5
14:30:53 <Zakim> +Klaus/Johannes/Thomas
14:30:53 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:30:55 <Zakim> -Klaus/Johannes/Thomas
14:30:58 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:30:58 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P0, Luz, Vivienne, Shadi, ??P5, [IPcaller]
14:31:04 <Luz> Hello!
14:31:16 <annika> zakim, ??P5 is me
14:31:17 <Zakim> +??P6
14:31:18 <Zakim> +annika; got it
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14:31:39 <Klaus> zakim, ??P0 is me
14:31:39 <Zakim> +Klaus; got it
14:31:43 <Justin> zakin, IPCaller is me
14:31:52 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:31:52 <Zakim> On the phone I see Klaus, Luz, Vivienne, Shadi, annika, [IPcaller], ??P6
14:32:04 <annika> zakim, mute me
14:32:04 <Zakim> annika should now be muted
14:32:28 <Justin> zakim, IPcaller is me
14:32:28 <Zakim> +Justin; got it
14:32:36 <Yehya> zakim, ??P6 is me
14:32:36 <Zakim> +Yehya; got it
14:33:04 <shadi> scribe: klaus
14:33:38 <Klaus> zakim, mute me
14:33:38 <Zakim> Klaus should now be muted
14:33:43 <Zakim> -Shadi
14:34:09 <shadi> Agenda+ F2F Discussion (5m)  [shadi]
14:34:09 <shadi> Agenda+ Metrics W3C Note Status (5m)  [markel]
14:34:09 <shadi> Agenda+ Mobile W3C Note Status (5m)  [sharper]
14:34:09 <shadi> Agenda+ Text Customisation W3C Note Status (5m)  [shawn/david]
14:34:09 <shadi> Agenda+ Easy to Read W3C Note Status (5m)  [klaus]
14:34:10 <shadi> Agenda+ User Modelling Topic Plans (10m) [Yehya/All]
14:34:12 <shadi> Agenda+ Haptics and Smart Signs Topic Plans (10m) [Markku/All]
14:34:14 <shadi> Agenda+ New Layouts and progress in moving to this style (5m)  [shawn]
14:34:16 <shadi> Agenda+ Issues and Actions (Standing Item):
14:34:18 <shadi> https://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/tracker/ [sharper]
14:34:19 <Zakim> +Shadi
14:34:20 <shadi> Agenda+ Any Other Business (Standing Item) [sharper]
14:34:38 <shadi> zakim, take up next
14:34:38 <Zakim> agendum 1. "F2F Discussion (5m) " taken up [from shadi]
14:35:21 <Luz> 16
14:35:36 <Klaus> SH: Last meeting decided that a meeting will be hold; Thursday May 16
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14:36:17 <sharper> zakim, code?
14:36:17 <Zakim> the conference code is 7394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), sharper
14:36:18 <Klaus> SH: Room pending, meeting will be confirmed after clarification
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14:36:46 <Luz> Does it take all day?
14:36:49 <Klaus> SH=SA, sorry
14:36:57 <Luz> OK
14:37:04 <Klaus> SA: It is a full day meeting
14:37:06 <Luz> Thank you.
14:37:17 <Luz> I can find a nice place for that.
14:37:25 <Luz> Yes.
14:37:32 <Luz> I will :-).
14:37:40 <Luz> hahaha
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14:37:48 <Justin> preferably something in wheelchair driving distance
14:37:58 <Luz> Ok.
14:38:40 <Luz> Perfect.
14:38:45 <Zakim> +??P8
14:39:13 <giorgio> zakim, ??p8 is giorgio
14:39:13 <Zakim> +giorgio; got it
14:39:14 <shadi> zakim, take up next
14:39:14 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Metrics W3C Note Status (5m) " taken up [from markel]
14:39:26 <Zakim> +??P10
14:39:29 <sharper> zakim, ??P10 is sharper
14:39:29 <Zakim> +sharper; got it
14:41:04 <Klaus> SA: Updated version received, comments fixed, Editing still needed.
14:41:48 <Klaus> GB: Few things to be fixed; all comments implemented.
14:42:02 <shadi> q+
14:42:21 <sharper> ack shadi
14:42:30 <Klaus> GB: Final version less than 2 weeks
14:43:10 <shadi> [[Recently, a plethora of metrics has been released to complement the A, AA, and AAA Levels measurement used by the WAI guidelines.]]
14:43:57 <giorgio> q
14:43:59 <Klaus> SA: Copy editing needed for such examples. Content is fine but grammer and style issues to make it easier for readers
14:44:01 <giorgio> Q+
14:44:07 <sharper> ack gio
14:44:54 <sharper> zakim, who is making noise?
14:45:05 <Zakim> sharper, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Luz (44%), Shadi (62%), Yehya (4%), sharper (14%)
14:45:25 <Vivienne> q+
14:45:29 <Klaus> SA: use of plethora is unusual
14:45:51 <Klaus> SH: use is fine.
14:45:51 <sharper> ack viv
14:46:09 <shadi> ack me
14:46:09 <Klaus> LR: no problem with the sentence
14:46:14 <Vivienne> zakim, mute me
14:46:14 <Zakim> Vivienne should now be muted
14:46:21 <Klaus> Sorry - was Vivienne ..
14:47:11 <giorgio> those capitalization changes can be done in a week.
14:47:28 <giorgio> q+
14:48:01 <sharper> ack gio
14:48:31 <Klaus> GB: we should not be that critical.
14:48:51 <Vivienne> plethora - definition - an overabundance or excess
14:49:18 <Klaus> SH: We should finish next week and decide.
14:50:29 <Klaus> SA: Process: Group takes a resolution to publish, then it goes into publishing pipline. As a final publication it will be reviewed internaly.
14:50:56 <giorgio> ok for me.
14:51:03 <Klaus> SH: Resolution will be in agenda for next week. Last changes like those of Luz to be finished till next week.
14:51:15 <sharper> zakim, who is making noise?
14:51:28 <Zakim> sharper, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: Luz (13%), sharper (68%)
14:51:29 <Luz> zakim, mute me
14:51:31 <Zakim> Luz should now be muted
14:51:47 <Klaus> zakim, take up next
14:51:47 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Mobile W3C Note Status (5m) " taken up [from sharper]
14:52:44 <Klaus> SH: Will look for changes on Wednesday. 4 items left. Friday draft with all issues corrected.
14:53:53 <Klaus> SA: Resolution to publish first working draft. Many dependencies with other groups which should have chance to comment.
14:54:36 <Klaus> SA: We send by mail to other groups and ask for comments in a week or so.
14:55:32 <Klaus> SH: Friday document to Shadi, to be forwarded to other groups (coordination group); next Wednesday out and feedback till after Easter
14:55:57 <Klaus> zakim, take up next
14:55:58 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Text Customisation W3C Note Status (5m) " taken up [from shawn/david]
14:56:05 <Klaus> zakim, take up next
14:56:05 <Zakim> agendum 4 was just opened, Klaus
14:56:11 <shadi> zakim, close agendum 4
14:56:12 <Zakim> agendum 4, Text Customisation W3C Note Status (5m) , closed
14:56:13 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:56:13 <Zakim> 5. Easy to Read W3C Note Status (5m)  [from klaus via shadi]
14:56:18 <giorgio> i can do that
14:56:18 <Vivienne> I can
14:56:20 <shadi> zakim, take up next
14:56:20 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Easy to Read W3C Note Status (5m) " taken up [from klaus]
14:56:42 <Klaus> zakim, unmute me
14:56:42 <Zakim> Klaus should no longer be muted
14:57:25 <giorgio> KM: first draft ready, edited by Lienz group; Klaus hopes beginning next week is done
14:57:29 <shadi> q+
14:57:37 <giorgio> KM and ready for feedback and discussions
14:57:41 <sharper> ack shad
14:57:45 <shadi> ack me
14:58:23 <giorgio> SZ: suggests putting content in the wiki, should be good also for other workshops;
14:58:30 <giorgio> SZ: which tools were used?
14:58:50 <giorgio> SZ: especially which tools for extracting from the wiki?
14:58:57 <shadi> scribe: giorgio
14:59:00 <giorgio> KM: standrad html editors
14:59:16 <giorgio> s/standrad/standard/
15:00:00 <giorgio> KM: we edit it as soon as feedback comes along
15:00:35 <giorgio> SH: simon has a template for the Notes; he's unable to locate it now
15:00:50 <giorgio> SH: will forward it to Klaus and to Shadi
15:01:56 <giorgio> KM: they used as a template the one for text customization; will need to make sure that the format is the proper one.
15:02:18 <Klaus> zakim, mute me
15:02:18 <Zakim> Klaus should now be muted
15:02:25 <giorgio> zakim, take up next
15:02:25 <Zakim> agendum 6. "User Modelling Topic Plans (10m)" taken up [from Yehya/All]
15:02:27 <Klaus> thanks Giorgio
15:02:49 <giorgio> it's been a pleasure, Klaus. back to you.
15:03:23 <giorgio> scribe: klaus
15:03:40 <Klaus> YM: Started to go through template, topic on wiki, next step to make call following template; next week first version to be shared
15:04:17 <Klaus> SH: Feedback to template and procedrues welcome.
15:04:33 <Klaus> YM: comments after finishing this step.
15:05:06 <Klaus> zakim, takeup next
15:05:06 <Zakim> I don't understand 'takeup next', Klaus
15:05:16 <Klaus> zakim, take up next
15:05:16 <Zakim> agendum 7. "Haptics and Smart Signs Topic Plans (10m)" taken up [from Markku/All]
15:06:02 <Klaus> SH: Markku is not here. Will update and bring Wiki in good order. Updated step by step procedure should help.
15:06:20 <Klaus> zakim, take up next
15:06:20 <Zakim> agendum 8. "New Layouts and progress in moving to this style (5m) " taken up [from shawn]
15:06:29 <sharper> Draft starts at: <http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/Drafts/rd/home.html>
15:06:30 <sharper> Wiki with notes: <http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/wiki/RD_Symposia_Design>
15:06:30 <sharper> Status: Draft complete?
15:06:30 <sharper> * Liam to confirm To Do list items are complete
15:06:30 <sharper> * Shadi to do final review
15:07:57 <Justin> like it
15:08:03 <Klaus> +1
15:08:05 <sharper> like it
15:08:14 <giorgio> +1
15:09:17 <Klaus> SA: Liam will do final edits, then final review by Shadi, some coding, Time line to be checked.
15:09:29 <giorgio> I see it with a serif font. is it right?
15:09:34 <giorgio> q+
15:09:41 <sharper> ack gio
15:10:36 <shadi> q+
15:11:09 <Klaus> GB: Serif font should be perhaps omitted.
15:11:12 <sharper> ack shad
15:12:09 <Klaus> SA: What I recall there is no best practice. If there is strong preference we should discuss.
15:12:22 <giorgio> no strong preference
15:12:43 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/wiki/RD_Symposia_Design#font
15:13:21 <Luz> Trye
15:13:22 <Luz> Yes
15:13:25 <Vivienne> That was my understanding also Giorgio
15:13:32 <Luz> q+
15:13:43 <sharper> ack luz
15:14:01 <Klaus> SA: Serif better on print, san serif better on screen
15:14:21 <shadi> [[SK: My copy is also displaying with a serif face which has been a long term no-no for computing, although good for reading print text. It is of course about time that all the typeface usability research was redone in relation to current display screen technology which is hugely superior to the days when the earlier research was done! ]]
15:14:23 <Luz> zakim, mute me
15:14:24 <Zakim> Luz should now be muted
15:14:29 <Klaus> Luz: Study with 80 participants underlines this
15:14:32 <giorgio> so we have more evidence than just an opinion ;-)!
15:14:42 <shadi> q+
15:14:43 <Luz> q+
15:14:49 <sharper> Ack shadi
15:14:53 <sharper> ack luz
15:15:26 <Klaus> Luz: Document of the study not finished - hopefully soon.
15:16:41 <Klaus> SA: Different opinion that such older studies are outdated. Up to us to decide. On consensus we can change.
15:16:49 <Luz> Ok
15:17:09 <shadi> q+
15:17:14 <sharper> ack sha
15:17:16 <shadi> ack me
15:17:16 <Luz> Ok.
15:17:16 <Klaus> Luz: Will send information to Shawn.
15:17:23 <Luz> Ah!
15:17:30 <Luz> Shall I send it to you?
15:17:42 <Luz> ok, thank you Shadi.
15:18:01 <Klaus> SA: To send information to RDWG
15:18:51 <Klaus> SH: no meeting week after next
15:18:53 <giorgio> bye
15:18:55 <Justin> toodles
15:18:57 <annika> bye
15:18:59 <Klaus> bye
15:19:00 <Luz> Bye bye.
15:19:00 <Zakim> -Yehya
15:19:01 <Vivienne> bye now
15:19:03 <Zakim> -Shadi
15:19:05 <Zakim> -sharper
15:19:07 <Zakim> -giorgio
15:19:08 <Zakim> -Klaus
15:19:14 <Zakim> -annika
15:19:15 <Zakim> -Justin
15:19:19 <Zakim> -Luz
15:19:20 <Zakim> -Vivienne
15:19:20 <Zakim> WAI_RDWG()10:30AM has ended
15:19:20 <Zakim> Attendees were Luz, Vivienne, Shadi, Klaus/Johannes/Thomas, annika, Klaus, Justin, Yehya, giorgio, sharper
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