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14:48:27 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DAP
14:48:27 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 12 minutes
14:48:28 <trackbot> Meeting: Device APIs Working Group Teleconference
14:48:29 <trackbot> Date: 06 March 2013
14:48:44 <fjh> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Mar/0004.html
14:48:56 <fjh> fjh has changed the topic to: dap 3279 ; agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Mar/0004.html
14:49:12 <fjh> Chair: Frederick_Hirsch
14:49:20 <fjh> Present+ Frederick_Hirsch
14:50:46 <fjh> Regrets+ Milan_Patel
14:54:51 <dom> Regrets+ Bryan_Sullivan
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14:58:16 <fjh> zakim, [IPCaller] is me
14:58:16 <Zakim> +fjh; got it
14:59:21 <Zakim> +Josh_Soref
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15:01:09 <Zakim> +??P11
15:01:15 <AnssiK> zakim, ??P11 is me
15:01:15 <Zakim> +AnssiK; got it
15:01:21 <AnssiK> Present+ Anssi_Kostiainen
15:02:25 <Zakim> +dcheng3
15:02:33 <dcheng3> Present+ Diana_Cheng
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15:03:09 <dom> Zakim, ??P1 is me
15:03:09 <Zakim> +dom; got it
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15:03:31 <fjh> zakim, where is 858?
15:03:31 <Zakim> North American dialing code 1.858 is California
15:03:51 <Josh_Soref> Scribe: Josh_Soref
15:03:52 <dom> Zakim, aaaa is gmandyam
15:03:52 <Zakim> +gmandyam; got it
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15:04:46 <richt> zakim, IPcaller is me
15:04:46 <Zakim> +richt; got it
15:04:53 <richt> Present+ Rich_Tibbett
15:04:56 <fjh> zakim, where is 720?
15:04:56 <Zakim> North American dialing code 1.720 is Colorado
15:04:58 <Zakim> + +1.781.362.aacc
15:05:03 <Cathy> zakim, aacc is me
15:05:03 <Zakim> +Cathy; got it
15:05:05 <dom> Zakim, aabb is ClarkeSteven
15:05:05 <Zakim> +ClarkeSteven; got it
15:05:07 <Cathy> Present+ Cathy_Chan
15:05:53 <fjh> Topic: Administrative
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15:06:16 <fjh> Please use this link to update phone number mapping for zakim https://www.w3.org/1998/12/bridge/info/name.php3
15:06:41 <fjh> Note: Next meeting is regular ET time; this makes it an hour earlier in Europe due to different in daylight savings time, see https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-device-apis/2013Mar/0001.html
15:07:16 <Josh_Soref> Josh_Soref: i'm unlikely to call in on the 27th (PassoveR)
15:07:22 <Josh_Soref> s/PassoveR/Passover/
15:07:41 <Josh_Soref> Topic: Minutes Approval
15:07:46 <fjh> Approve minutes from 27 February 2013
15:07:46 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Feb/att-0093/minutes-2013-02-27.html
15:07:47 <fjh> Approve (revised) minutes from 20 February 2013
15:07:47 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Feb/att-0098/minutes-2013-02-20.html
15:07:47 <fjh> proposed RESOLUTION: Minutes from 20 Feb (revised) and 27 February 2013 are approved
15:07:56 <Josh_Soref> RESOLUTION: Minutes from 20 Feb (revised) and 27 February 2013 are approved
15:08:08 <Josh_Soref> Topic: F2F Planning
15:08:15 <fjh> F2F Planning
15:08:15 <fjh> Questionnaire completes 12 March, https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/43696/2013-06-f2f/
15:08:20 <fjh> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/43696/2013-06-f2f/results
15:08:26 <Josh_Soref> s/F2F Planning//
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15:08:52 <Josh_Soref> dcheng3: i still have both reserved
15:08:55 <dtran> Present+ Dzung_Tran
15:09:09 <fjh> Deadline for deciding on TPAC 2013?  ( Nov 18-22 in Shenzhen - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Jan/0095.html )
15:09:23 <Josh_Soref> fjh: i think we need to know way in advance to decide, because of Visas
15:09:40 <Clarke> Present+ Clarke_Stevens
15:10:02 <Josh_Soref> dom: usually WGs are asked in March/April if they want to participate in TPAC
15:10:25 <Josh_Soref> fjh: the June F2F was questionable, i think we can lock that down
15:10:38 <Josh_Soref> ... if we don't progress on Web Intents, we might not need TPAC
15:10:48 <Josh_Soref> dom: i don't know that there's a schedule on this question
15:10:55 <Josh_Soref> ... but it would probably be asked in April
15:11:01 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, mute me
15:11:01 <Zakim> Josh_Soref should now be muted
15:11:14 <Josh_Soref> ... intending to meet isn't necessarily a strong commitment
15:11:18 <Josh_Soref> ... we could cancel later
15:11:32 <Josh_Soref> fjh: i mentioned that the Intents/Activity people were supposed to discuss shortly
15:11:43 <Josh_Soref> ... i'd assume we'll know by the first week of April if we'd want to meet
15:12:03 <Josh_Soref> fjh: i'm assuming Dusseldorf will work out well
15:12:10 <Josh_Soref> topic: Network Service Discovery
15:12:15 <fjh> Status on updates and publication of WD?
15:12:15 <fjh> additional discussion:
15:12:15 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Feb/0097.html
15:12:15 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Mar/0003.html
15:13:22 <Josh_Soref> richt: i'm traveling until Friday
15:13:25 <Josh_Soref> ... back Monday
15:13:31 <Josh_Soref> ... i have a backlog of changes
15:13:53 <Josh_Soref> Cathy: re: XXX comments earlier
15:14:01 <Josh_Soref> ... discovering UPnP device types v. Service types
15:14:01 <fjh> s/XXX/Guisseppi/
15:14:21 <Josh_Soref> ... w/ device types, controllers typically are more interested in devices as opposed to services
15:14:31 <Josh_Soref> ... but that would be a significant change to the UPnP mechanism in the spec
15:14:36 <Josh_Soref> ... we need to consider implications
15:14:40 <Josh_Soref> richt: i agree
15:14:58 <Josh_Soref> ... Cathy, based on your experience, it might be a good idea for you to edit that in
15:15:03 <Josh_Soref> Cathy: i'll work with you on that
15:15:15 <Josh_Soref> richt: it'd be cool to get you involved in editing
15:15:24 <Josh_Soref> fjh: the change offers simplifications/solves problems
15:15:40 <Josh_Soref> ... Cathy, there's no need for you to get extra permissions, since we're using git
15:15:48 <Josh_Soref> richt: we're using overview-src.
15:16:00 <Josh_Soref> fjh: Cathy, do you need an action?
15:16:02 <Josh_Soref> Cathy: no
15:16:10 <Josh_Soref> richt: i'd prefer discussing on list before we make changes?
15:16:14 <Josh_Soref> Cathy: sure
15:16:32 <fjh> +1 to proposal on list before editing document, thanks Cathy for volunteering
15:17:06 <Josh_Soref> fjh: Cathy will make progress on device-types/service-types
15:17:06 <richt> I think you captured it well, Josh_Soref.
15:17:11 <Josh_Soref> ... and richt will work on the backlog
15:17:17 <Josh_Soref> Topic: Contacts
15:17:20 <fjh> Sys Apps draft  - http://www.w3.org/2012/sysapps/drafts/contacts-manager-api/
15:17:31 <fjh> Pick Contacts Implementation status, original DAP Contacts implementation status?
15:17:39 <Josh_Soref> fjh: marcos asked about implementation
15:17:45 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, unmute me
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15:17:54 <Josh_Soref> dom: afaik it was never implemented by anyone
15:18:08 <Josh_Soref> Josh_Soref: it's implemented in the original form by Cordova
15:18:15 <dom> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/wiki/ImplementationStatus#Contacts_API
15:18:19 <Josh_Soref> fjh: we don't have any record of this
15:18:42 <Josh_Soref> dom: we do, thanks to AnssiK
15:18:53 <fjh> ok, thanks Dom for the pointer, and AnssiK for the wiki work
15:18:54 <Josh_Soref> richt: which are we talking about?
15:19:00 <Josh_Soref> richt: we have a mozilla implementation
15:19:04 <Josh_Soref> dom: but that was an addon
15:19:34 <Josh_Soref> [ Josh_Soref summarizes concerns about SysApps doc ]
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15:20:20 <Josh_Soref> Josh_Soref: thanks fjh for getting them to rename their spec
15:20:48 <Josh_Soref> fjh: i'm not sure if we can give feedback
15:20:56 <Josh_Soref> Josh_Soref: some WGs will be asked to give feedback
15:21:04 <Josh_Soref> ... but all WGs can give unsolicited feedback
15:21:10 <Josh_Soref> Topic: HTML Media Capture
15:21:16 <fjh> resolving LC comments, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Mar/0002.html
15:21:39 <Josh_Soref> fjh: i gave shepazu a 2 week time window this time, i should have done that last time
15:21:47 <Josh_Soref> dom: yes, that's good
15:21:51 <Josh_Soref> AnssiK: thanks fjh for pushing Tracker
15:22:00 <Josh_Soref> ... i'll update the draft after we close shepazu's issues
15:22:08 <Josh_Soref> ... i'll add a status section about Exit criteria
15:22:15 <Josh_Soref> ... i'll give shepazu a couple of days
15:22:48 <Josh_Soref> fjh: i think we made a mistake in our publications in not including Exit Criteria/At Risk in our documents
15:22:55 <Josh_Soref> ... i don't think we need to update the status retroactively
15:23:05 <Josh_Soref> ... we won't go back to CR, we'll just go to PR
15:23:12 <Josh_Soref> AnssiK: you gave Mar 18 as the deadline to shepazu
15:23:16 <Josh_Soref> ... i won't touch it before then
15:23:36 <Josh_Soref> fjh: dom, can go to PR w/o having that section in the document, as it's documented elsewhere
15:23:41 <Josh_Soref> dom: that shouldn't be a problem
15:23:45 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, mute me
15:23:45 <Zakim> Josh_Soref should now be muted
15:23:55 <Josh_Soref> dom: you're mixing Battery and Vibration
15:24:03 <Josh_Soref> ... but AnssiK is talking about HTML Media Capture
15:24:29 <Josh_Soref> i/mistake/Topic: Transition Request process/
15:24:39 <Josh_Soref> fjh: when we do transitions
15:24:45 <Josh_Soref> ... we need to include status/at risk
15:24:52 <Josh_Soref> ... we need to guess when we're done w/ LC comments
15:25:02 <Josh_Soref> ... we need to add Exit Criteria to the Status section
15:25:15 <Josh_Soref> ... and then having seen that, we publish as CR w/ transition request
15:25:25 <Josh_Soref> ... i just wanted to confirm w/ dom that we don't need to republish
15:25:35 <Josh_Soref> ... going forward, every doc should have status when we go to CR
15:25:41 <Josh_Soref> dom: that's correct
15:26:02 <Josh_Soref> dom: do we have any visibility on who is going to implement the spec?
15:26:14 <Josh_Soref> ... i know chrome has an impl based on the old spec
15:26:19 <Josh_Soref> ... i'm unclear about BlackBerry
15:26:27 <Josh_Soref> ... i know Firefox does accept attribute as well
15:26:39 <Josh_Soref> AnssiK: we have discussion in the html bug tracker
15:26:46 <Josh_Soref> ... mounir doesn't say they will implement
15:26:56 <Josh_Soref> ... but says that the spec is simple and efficient and they like it
15:27:02 <Josh_Soref> ... Josh_Soref could comment on BlackBerry
15:27:15 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, unmute me
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15:27:27 <fjh> josh_soref: need to check with our implementers
15:28:03 <Josh_Soref> dom: anyone know about Chromium/Opera ?
15:28:11 <Josh_Soref> AnssiK: i think Tizen implements
15:28:13 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, mute me
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15:28:21 <fjh> fjh: i thought I saw that as well
15:28:32 <AnssiK> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/wiki/ImplementationStatus#HTML_Media_Capture
15:28:37 <Josh_Soref> s/fjh/scribe
15:28:37 <Josh_Soref> s/fjh/scribe
15:28:43 <Josh_Soref> s/scribe:/fjh:/
15:29:17 <Josh_Soref> fjh: AnssiK, how hard would it be to indicate if it's an implementation
15:29:22 <Josh_Soref> ... or just a note
15:29:26 <Josh_Soref> AnssiK: yeah yeah
15:29:44 <Josh_Soref> ... when i notice someone is mentioning it, i try to include
15:29:53 <Josh_Soref> ... perhaps this should be more like caniuse.com
15:30:02 <Josh_Soref> fjh: when i look at the list, i don't know if we're good to go
15:30:15 <Josh_Soref> ... maybe you can add text to the wiki
15:30:35 <Josh_Soref> AnssiK: i haven't always looked at the source code
15:30:37 <dom> q+ to ask about testing
15:30:45 <Josh_Soref> ... and without the product in my hand, it's hard to know what is the level
15:30:52 <Josh_Soref> ... i'll try to dig deeper
15:30:59 <Josh_Soref> fjh: just trying to understand what the wiki is saying
15:31:11 <Josh_Soref> AnssiK: the wiki is pointers to implementations that claim to support these specs
15:31:18 <Josh_Soref> ... but levels and spec version is missing
15:31:57 <Josh_Soref> fjh: so this isn't a list of vetted implementations
15:32:05 <dom> "
15:32:06 <dom>     Implementations cited in this document may or may not implement the latest version of the related specification. "
15:32:06 <Josh_Soref> ... it's a list where somewhere someone mentioned they might
15:32:36 <AnssiK> "Implementations cited in this document may or may not implement the latest version of the related specification."
15:32:52 <Josh_Soref> fjh: when you have more details, it'd be helpful if you add them to the wiki
15:33:10 <Josh_Soref> AnssiK: Josh_Soref, what is the status of BlackBerry on Media Capture
15:33:15 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, unmute me
15:33:15 <Zakim> Josh_Soref should no longer be muted
15:33:57 <Josh_Soref> AnssiK: I received a BB10 device
15:34:51 <dom> q?
15:34:58 <fjh> ack dom
15:34:58 <Zakim> dom, you wanted to ask about testing
15:35:05 <Josh_Soref> Josh_Soref: i'm hoping to talk to devrel guys tomorrow
15:35:14 <Josh_Soref> dom: for that spec, we probably want to do some testing
15:35:20 <Josh_Soref> ... has anyone done any work on testing?
15:35:26 <Josh_Soref> ... are there existing testcases?
15:35:52 <Josh_Soref> AnssiK: i'm going to use the BlackBerry Dev Alpha device to see if it has anything
15:36:05 <Josh_Soref> ... i have the Vibration test suite to do
15:36:12 <Josh_Soref> ... dom, do you have ideas for the interactive tests?
15:36:21 <Josh_Soref> ... how to craft interactive tests for these specs
15:36:29 <Josh_Soref> ... there are implementation details that you're unable to test
15:36:35 <Josh_Soref> dom: i see two kinds of tests
15:36:37 <Josh_Soref> ... IDL level
15:36:43 <Josh_Soref> ... parsing/handling
15:36:50 <Josh_Soref> ... interaction between Accept and Capture
15:36:56 <Josh_Soref> ... and then there's an interactive part
15:37:03 <Josh_Soref> ... i'd simply say in the test itself
15:37:13 <Josh_Soref> ... when you press the button, you should be offered to get a picture from your camera
15:37:18 <Josh_Soref> ... and then maybe testing the file type
15:37:33 <Josh_Soref> AnssiK: thanks, that matches what i was thinking about
15:37:49 <Josh_Soref> ... the idl is simple, so idlharness or manual tests
15:37:56 <Josh_Soref> ... and for interactive, something like you described
15:38:21 <Josh_Soref> dom: i think separate actions for separate test suites is more actionable
15:38:27 <fjh> action: anssik to create test cases for battery and vibration
15:38:27 <trackbot> Created ACTION-620 - Create test cases for battery and vibration [on Anssi Kostiainen - due 2013-03-13].
15:38:31 <Josh_Soref> AnssiK: let's do another action
15:39:06 <fjh> close ACTION-620
15:39:06 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-620 Create test cases for battery and vibration.
15:39:32 <AnssiK> ACTION: AnssiK to create test cases for HTML Media Capture
15:39:33 <trackbot> Created ACTION-621 - Create test cases for HTML Media Capture [on Anssi Kostiainen - due 2013-03-13].
15:40:07 <Josh_Soref> dom: the HTML WG is making a change to their test suite
15:40:13 <Josh_Soref> ... giving up the submitted/approved structure
15:40:28 <Josh_Soref> ... have we discussed migrating this group's tests?
15:40:34 <Josh_Soref> fjh: i was thinking of wait-and-see
15:40:42 <Josh_Soref> dom: i think it's working reasonably well for them
15:41:03 <Josh_Soref> Josh_Soref: vibration is stuck because it's submitted but not accepted
15:41:19 <fjh> would like to see focus on actual work rather than logistics unless it is low effort to make the changes
15:41:25 <Josh_Soref> ... AnssiK now has a bb10 with it
15:41:36 <Josh_Soref> AnssiK: i'm testing it, but it seems to indeed be implemented
15:41:38 <Josh_Soref> ... it is buzzing
15:41:43 <Josh_Soref> ... good work guys
15:42:20 <Josh_Soref> i/is stuck/Topic: Vibration test progress/
15:42:36 <Josh_Soref> Topic: OMA Liaison
15:42:41 <fjh> ACTION-613?
15:42:41 <trackbot> ACTION-613 -- Frederick Hirsch to draft proposed OMA liaison response -- due 2013-02-13 -- OPEN
15:42:41 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/613
15:42:59 <Josh_Soref> fjh: dom said it was inappropriate for me to close w/o a comment
15:43:04 <Josh_Soref> ... i'll draft a response
15:43:05 <mounir> Regarding the HTML Media Capture, there is a problem regarding the ability for the user to opt-out from the capture device and use its stored pictures instead. I believe that should be allowed but I'm not sure how much we should make this a requirement for specifications.
15:43:31 <Josh_Soref> Josh_Soref: mounir: i thought that we designed the spec to specifically allow for that!
15:43:37 <fjh> s/said it was inappropriate for me to close w/o a comment/ reminded me that it might be appropriate to respond formally/
15:43:50 <Josh_Soref> Topic: Privacy
15:43:56 <fjh> PING feedback : http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Feb/0095.html
15:44:17 <fjh> Possible updates to Proximity and Ambient Light  Event specs
15:44:22 <Josh_Soref> fjh: i believe this message captures their feedback accurately
15:44:43 <Josh_Soref> ... specs aren't used in isolation
15:44:48 <Josh_Soref> ... npdoty offered to help
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15:45:01 <Josh_Soref> ... The ability to fingerprint based on timing might not be the easiest way
15:45:54 <mounir> Josh_Soref: actually, if the user must have to use a capture device, that could work too (i guess) but a common behaviour would be better. I'm not sure what is the specification wording regarding this.
15:46:14 <Josh_Soref> Josh_Soref: there is another advantage re privacy timings
15:46:25 <Josh_Soref> ... if an application is written to a single implementation
15:46:33 <Josh_Soref> ... it could break if another implementation has different timings
15:46:39 <Josh_Soref> ... if the sepc encouraged a single timing behavior
15:46:45 <Josh_Soref> s/sepc/spec/
15:47:06 <Josh_Soref> ... then an application could be less likely to break when it interacts with a different implementation
15:47:26 <Josh_Soref> fjh: in GeoLocation there's an idea of lying
15:47:37 <Josh_Soref> ... that might also apply to these other apis
15:47:45 <Josh_Soref> Josh_Soref: it should apply to these apis as well
15:47:59 <Josh_Soref> ... capture being an example
15:48:18 <Josh_Soref> ... -- letting the user select an already available object
15:48:26 <Josh_Soref> fjh: the other concept from GeoLocation is Fuzzing
15:48:30 <Josh_Soref> ... giving a less accurate value
15:48:38 <Josh_Soref> ... we did that with ambient light
15:49:45 <fjh> in HTML Media Capture you could opt out by defaulting to file picker instead of using camera device
15:50:08 <AnssiK> "When the http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/camera/#dfn-capture-1 attribute is specified, the http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/camera/#dfn-user-agent should invoke a file picker of the specific http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/camera/#dfn-capture-control-type."
15:50:35 <AnssiK> "When the capture attribute is specified, the user agent should invoke a file picker of the specific capture control type."
15:50:36 <Josh_Soref> s|"When the http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/camera/#dfn-capture-1 attribute is specified, the http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/camera/#dfn-user-agent should invoke a file picker of the specific http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/camera/#dfn-capture-control-type."||
15:50:40 <Zakim> -richt
15:50:52 <AnssiK> s/should/SHOULD/
15:51:06 <Josh_Soref> Josh_Soref: note that it's a "File Picker" of a "Capture Type"
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15:51:31 <Josh_Soref> ... certainly BlackBerry systems where the file picker gives access to both Gallery and Camera/Mic does this :)
15:51:49 <Josh_Soref> fjh: we received Feedback from PING about Proximity/Ambient light
15:51:56 <Josh_Soref> ... with specific approaches we should take
15:52:08 <Josh_Soref> ... should we try to take a pass through the spec to see if we can incorporate that before moving forward?
15:53:13 <fjh> "there should be an indication to the user when the sensors are used"
15:53:18 <Josh_Soref> Josh_Soref: Ambient could have been designed as a Media Query
15:53:27 <Josh_Soref> ... but you can certainly detect Media Query states
15:53:34 <fjh> "disable sharing proximity information"
15:54:18 <Josh_Soref> Josh_Soref: browsers have spent 20 years trying to design the lock icon
15:54:34 <Josh_Soref> ... and some low level specs have UI requirements which were *never* implemented
15:54:47 <Josh_Soref> dom: we generally avoid putting normative text in about UI
15:54:56 <Josh_Soref> fjh: but we put in consideration sections?
15:55:11 <Josh_Soref> dom: do we put an indication in to suggest to the user that it's in use?
15:55:30 <Josh_Soref> dom: we claim that these are generally QOI
15:55:35 <Josh_Soref> s/QOI/QoI/
15:56:41 <Josh_Soref> Josh_Soref: we could point to implementations which have done something for indications
15:56:54 <fjh> I suggest we should take the PING input and see what changes we should make to the specs, such as the privacy considerations
15:56:56 <Josh_Soref> ... e.g. the current Chrome  (Canary) shows you what's allowed/has been used if you click the Lock Icon
15:57:09 <fjh> also need to follow up with nick on general considerations
15:57:25 <fjh> action: fjh to follow up on concrete actions based on PING input
15:57:25 <trackbot> Created ACTION-622 - Follow up on concrete actions based on PING input [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2013-03-13].
15:57:41 <dom> - > http://www.digitallanding.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Chrome-Permissions.jpg Chrome permissions
15:57:43 <dom> -> http://www.digitallanding.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Chrome-Permissions.jpg Chrome permissions
15:57:50 <Josh_Soref> s|- > http://www.digitallanding.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Chrome-Permissions.jpg Chrome permissions||
15:58:11 <Josh_Soref> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:58:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/03/06-dap-minutes.html Josh_Soref
15:58:14 <Josh_Soref> RRSAgent, make logs public
15:58:22 <Josh_Soref> AnssiK: i think we should be concrete
15:58:37 <Josh_Soref> fjh: i'd appreciate if people could respond to the message on the list
15:59:16 <Zakim> -ClarkeSteven
15:59:19 <Josh_Soref> Topic: Action Review
16:00:11 <fjh> ACTION-617: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/43696/2013-06-f2f/
16:00:11 <trackbot> Notes added to ACTION-617 Set up f2f questionnaire.
16:00:15 <fjh> close ACTION-617
16:00:15 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-617 Set up f2f questionnaire.
16:00:32 <fjh> ACTION-618: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Mar/0001.html
16:00:32 <trackbot> Notes added to ACTION-618 Provide sotd text for battery, vibration status updates.
16:00:39 <Zakim> -gmandyam
16:00:42 <fjh> close ACTION-618
16:00:42 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-618 Provide sotd text for battery, vibration status updates.
16:00:44 <Zakim> -dom
16:00:47 <Zakim> -Cathy
16:01:17 <fjh> ACTION-619: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Mar/0002.html
16:01:17 <trackbot> Notes added to ACTION-619 Follow up with Doug re closing HTML Media Capture LC Comments.
16:01:30 <fjh> close ACTION-619
16:01:30 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-619 Follow up with Doug re closing HTML Media Capture LC Comments.
16:01:37 <fjh> Topic: Other Business
16:01:38 <fjh> no e
16:01:42 <fjh> s/no e/none
16:01:46 <fjh> Topic: Adjourn
16:01:52 <Josh_Soref> trackbot, end meeting
16:01:52 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
16:01:52 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been fjh, Josh_Soref, AnssiK, dcheng3, +1.858.750.aaaa, dom, gmandyam, +1.720.934.aabb, richt, +1.781.362.aacc, Cathy, ClarkeSteven
16:01:58 <Zakim> -dcheng3
16:02:00 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:02:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/03/06-dap-minutes.html trackbot
16:02:01 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
16:02:01 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2013/03/06-dap-actions.rdf :
16:02:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: anssik to create test cases for battery and vibration [1]
16:02:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/03/06-dap-irc#T15-38-27
16:02:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: AnssiK to create test cases for HTML Media Capture [2]
16:02:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/03/06-dap-irc#T15-39-32
16:02:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: fjh to follow up on concrete actions based on PING input [3]
16:02:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/03/06-dap-irc#T15-57-25
16:02:05 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
16:02:07 <Zakim> On the phone I see fjh, Josh_Soref, AnssiK
16:02:07 <Zakim> On IRC I see Cathy, dcheng3, AnssiK, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, slightlyoff, dom, tobie, lgombos, Josh_Soref, mounir, trackbot