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17:02:50 <jamesn> zakim, this is WAI_
17:02:50 <Zakim> ok, jamesn; that matches WAI_HTML TT()11:30AM
17:03:02 <jamesn> zakim, who is on the phone?
17:03:03 <Zakim> + +49.404.318.aaaa
17:03:03 <Zakim> On the phone I see James_Nurthen, Jon_Gunderson, +49.404.318.aaaa
17:03:15 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
17:03:25 <jamesn> zakim, +aaaa is Detlev
17:03:25 <Zakim> sorry, jamesn, I do not recognize a party named '+aaaa'
17:03:31 <Detlev> Zakim, aaaa is Detlev
17:03:31 <Zakim> +Detlev; got it
17:03:43 <jamesn> zakim, IPcaller is Loretta
17:03:43 <Zakim> +Loretta; got it
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17:04:48 <jamesn> agenda+ Survey HTML Techniques Task Force for March 4th 2013
17:04:48 <jamesn> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/18_2_2013/
17:05:28 <jamesn> meeting: HTML5 + ARIA Techniques for WCAG
17:06:25 <Detlev> scribe: Detlev
17:07:48 <Detlev> Looking at survey - few answers - apologies
17:09:23 <Detlev> This is rthwe link to the survey: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/18_2_2013/
17:09:38 <Detlev> Walking through Loretta's comment
17:11:01 <Detlev> Loretta: not sure why they were related to SC 1.3.1
17:11:32 <Detlev> Loretta: should be applicable to SC 2.4.4
17:12:05 <Detlev> Loretta: Question what will show up in things like SR link lists
17:12:39 <Detlev> James: aria-describedby doesn't usually show up in link lists
17:12:44 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
17:13:11 <Detlev> James: Why necessary to be in 2.4.4 rather than 2.4.9?
17:13:52 <Detlev> James: Fear is that this technique will be seen as necessary for meeting 2.4.4
17:14:25 <Detlev> Loretta: unsure what the issue is
17:14:54 <Detlev> James: suggests to use an example where 2.4.4 would not be met without it
17:15:18 <Detlev> Loreatta: Every 2.4.9 technique is also a 2.4.4 technique
17:15:49 <Detlev> James: Proposes one example where 2.4.4 wouldn't be met without aria-describedby
17:16:34 <Detlev> Marc: possibly looking at failures (F63) adapting for aria-described by
17:16:54 <Detlev> http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/F63.html
17:18:25 <Detlev> James: suggestion was to amending one of the examples in F63 to add to this technique so it would help meeting 2.4.4
17:18:58 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
17:19:47 <Detlev> Loretta: willing to make edits but questions remain
17:22:24 <Detlev> Group making on-the-fly edits to technique http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_aria-describedby_for_link_purpose
17:29:40 <Detlev> James: aria spec does not prescribe behaviour how AT would handle info in aria-describedby
17:31:06 <Detlev> Loretta: Will give some indication that both the link text and description text will usually both be made available
17:31:42 <Detlev> Loretta: either available at the vey end of accessible name , states etc, or offered as option to explore
17:33:17 <Detlev> Loretta: Possibility to remove headings to meet 2.4.4 from sufficient to advisory
17:33:33 <Detlev> James: but this may not happen
17:33:52 <Detlev> Loretta: shall we drop example 7, and what do you think of ex. 3?
17:34:39 <Detlev> James: Example 3 not ideal, may be covered by other examples
17:35:00 <Detlev> Lortetta: suggest dropping Ex. 3 and 7
17:35:08 <Detlev> James: seconds that
17:35:35 <Detlev> James: Example 7 may not actually work anyway
17:35:55 <Detlev> Same applies to example 6 - needs testing
17:36:33 <Detlev> Detlev: Proposes testing example 6 in that technique
17:40:15 <Detlev> Detlev: suggests links to AT support database once it's there
17:40:50 <Detlev> Loretta: Detailed level of support info not usually part of WCAG techniques - changes too quickly
17:42:07 <Detlev> Moving to Technique "Using aria-label for link purpose"  http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_aria-label_for_link_purpose
17:43:44 <Detlev> James: If someone's using the A11y API to compute the list of links they would get the aria-label info, if they use the DOM, they wouldn't
17:45:49 <Detlev> James: Could be 2.4.9 Candidate
17:46:16 <Detlev> james: Accordign to aria spec aria-label should override / replace the link text
17:48:11 <Detlev> James: Good practice to start aria-label text with the same text as the link text - "Read more.." replaced by "Read more about Seminole tax hike"
17:48:34 <Detlev> (On-the -fly changes to technique being made by James)
17:50:28 <Detlev> (...explaining/reinforcing the replacement rule according to the spec's acessible name computation)
17:52:02 <Detlev> Marc: should we include the link?
17:52:16 <jamesn> http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria/roles#textalternativecomputation
17:52:28 <Detlev> James: its called text alternative comutation
17:53:02 <Detlev> sorry, text alternative computation
17:53:29 <jongund> I have to go
17:53:34 <Zakim> -Jon_Gunderson
17:54:44 <Detlev> James: adding reference to SC 2.4.9
17:57:17 <Detlev> Support notes need to be updated
17:58:26 <jamesn> rrsagent, make minutes
17:58:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/03/04-html-techs-tf-minutes.html jamesn
17:59:00 <jamesn> rrsagent, make log world
17:59:17 <jamesn> zakim, please part
17:59:17 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were James_Nurthen, Jon_Gunderson, +49.404.318.aaaa, Detlev, Loretta, Marc_Johlic, [IPcaller]
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17:59:25 <jamesn> rrsagent, make minutes
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18:01:32 <jamesn> chair: JamesNurthen
18:01:37 <jamesn> rrsagent, make minutes
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