12:44:34 RRSAgent has joined #mlw-lt 12:44:34 logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/02/27-mlw-lt-irc 12:44:39 meeting: MLW-LT WG 12:54:10 kfritsche has joined #mlw-lt 12:57:49 present+ Karl 12:57:49 present+ fsasaki 12:57:52 present+ dF 12:58:02 chair: dF 12:58:05 scribe: fsasaki 12:58:23 agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Feb/0277.html 12:58:35 topic: roll call 12:58:50 DomJones1 has joined #mlw-lt 12:59:25 philr has joined #mlw-lt 12:59:32 Ankit has joined #mlw-lt 12:59:39 present+ Ankit 12:59:41 present+ philr 13:00:14 regrets: jörg, christian 13:00:25 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/27-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki 13:00:25 daveL has joined #mlw-lt 13:01:50 Yves_ has joined #mlw-lt 13:02:03 present+ Yves 13:02:05 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/27-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki 13:02:35 present+ tadej 13:02:52 Naoto has joined #mlw-lt 13:02:53 agenda at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Feb/0277.html 13:02:55 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Feb/0277.html 13:03:10 topic: High level usage scenario doc publication 13:03:29 present+ Naoto 13:03:31 daveF: time line is teight for publication on March 8 13:03:42 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Feb/0279.html 13:03:47 .. just be aware of christian's mail 13:04:08 .. he suggests a method for pulling of publication. He will add his questions into the doc 13:04:25 .. whoever is able to answer should do that in the wiki 13:04:33 omstefanov has joined #mlw-lt 13:04:41 .. that will bring us to the publication by the desired date 13:04:43 present+ omstefanov 13:04:46 .. everybody fine with that? 13:05:35 felix: publication will be a draft, so we can also update it later 13:05:41 topic: HTML ITS default behaviour 13:05:51 http://www.w3.org/2013/02/25-mlw-lt-minutes.html#item04 13:06:02 david: above mail is from Monday's call discussion 13:06:14 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Feb/0245.html 13:06:26 .. interrelated with HTML "translate" topic, which is discussed in HTML WG 13:06:34 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/27-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki 13:07:40 pnietoca has joined #mlw-lt 13:08:03 felix: we discussed on monday, we need more input from implementers 13:08:07 present+ pnietoca 13:08:44 "title" attribute example 13:09:40 felix is there a scribe? do you want me to try? 13:09:57 scribe: pnietoca 13:10:31 Milan has joined #mlw-lt 13:11:17 dF: What other data categories can have an impact apart from translate? 13:11:49 Yves_: elementsWithinText maybe 13:12:11 FYI: I'll post an email on some of my finding/thoughts on implementation for HTML defaults later today. 13:12:13 ... there can be inheritance problems 13:13:06 dF: what's the state of the issue from a formal point of view? 13:13:44 fsasaki: Resolve the issue within April 13:13:47 Pedro has joined #mlw-lt 13:14:34 fsasaki: wait for implementors advances before moving forward 13:14:56 dF: depends on the spec impact w.r.t HTML 13:15:36 kfritsche: to start with would be good to write something about defaults 13:15:43 +1 on Karl's move to start listing the defaults 13:15:51 +1 too 13:16:28 dF: all agree about the defaults, but they might impact on the spec 13:16:48 I can post a global rules file that shows what we have implemented as defaults so far on our side. 13:17:08 kfritsche: that would tell whether we should make a BP doc or change the spec 13:17:09 that could be a starting point 13:17:16 leroy has joined #mlw-lt 13:17:40 dF: we should have an at a once glance the defaults on the wiki 13:18:20 .. based on the investigation we will decide whether to use a BP doc or if it will affect the spec 13:18:41 if i can find the time yes 13:18:45 .. Yves would you be ok to start the wiki? 13:18:55 present+ leroy 13:19:48 action: Yves to send the global rules file and to start the wiki on HTML defaults for the data categories 13:19:49 Created ACTION-452 - Send the global rules file and to start the wiki on HTML defaults for the data categories [on Yves Savourel - due 2013-03-06]. 13:20:38 dF: work needs to continue on the working list and on the wiki page 13:20:51 fsasaki: we can move on 13:21:01 scribe: fsasaki 13:21:05 you're wellcome 13:21:14 brb 13:21:16 topic: Conformance type again 13:21:31 df: what is your proposed resolution? 13:21:39 phil: sent a mail this morning 13:21:53 .. most of the type values express negative aspect 13:22:02 Clemens has joined #mlw-lt 13:22:11 .. so I don't mind to say "non-conformance" 13:22:17 .. so that's fine by me 13:22:24 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/27-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki 13:23:05 df: anybody objecting to add the new value? 13:23:27 phil: just to clarify: not another data category, a new value 13:23:37 dF: correct, new value for localization qualtiy issue 13:23:43 .. any objections? 13:23:51 no objections 13:24:00 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/27-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki 13:24:46 action: felix to do edit for issue-63 13:24:46 Created ACTION-453 - Do edit for issue-63 [on Felix Sasaki - due 2013-03-06]. 13:25:25 topic: standoff experiment 13:25:36 scribe: pnietoca 13:25:51 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Feb/0246.html 13:25:51 fsasaki: this not to open a new issue 13:26:12 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Feb/att-0246/multiple-ann-with-id-plus-standoff.html 13:26:37 .. made an experimentation with multiple tan annotations 13:26:56 - During the discussion of multiple annotations a while ago we also touched upon the "direction" of the standoff: from outside to IDs (see multiple-ann-with-id-plus-standoff.html and 2a), or from the document to the standoff (current loc quality issue / provenance, see 2b) above). Pointint from the document (= 2b) has the drawback in HTML that you need a separate "script" element for each target - whereas in the case of 2a) you only need one script e[CUT] 13:27:10 ..want to get feedback about this new way of pointing 13:27:41 .. actual standoff (provennace, lqi) vs reverse standoff 13:28:03 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Feb/att-0246/multiple-ann-with-standoff-refs-script.html 13:29:18 pointing from inside to outside creates more markup 13:29:45 fsasaki: pointing from inside to outside creates more markup 13:30:11 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Feb/att-0246/multiple-ann-with-id-plus-standoff.html 13:30:15 philr: lqi currently allows several records 13:31:14 fsasaki: with the pointing from outside we just need one script element and not several so yes it might work 13:31:38 daveL: we discussed this before 13:32:01 fsasaki: the outcome is the difference between numbers 13:33:01 There is a massive difference for stream-based processors: they would have to check if there is standoff annotation each time we find an id. I'll need to think more about it. 13:33:18 .. the approach from inside to outside 58 vs outside to inside 101 13:33:41 .. just want to know some opinions on this 13:34:37 daveL: with provenance you want to know the actors in the process of translating but we don't expect much records 13:34:52 .. the scalabitiy should be big 13:35:22 s\scalabitiy\scacalability 13:35:34 present+ Pedro 13:36:37 daveL: the new files on the github gives you an idea of the number 13:36:57 fsasaki: need to think carefully about this 13:37:21 dF: I want formal stuff for this 13:37:49 philr: don't know how this will affect the test suite 13:37:55 for the record, this was just informally on the agenda, no need to have an issue for this 13:37:56 .. will create test files 13:38:29 dF: Felix you said is not to create another issue, but we need to create an issue 13:38:42 fsasaki: I'm creating an issue right now 13:38:55 dF: is this a last call comment? 13:39:00 fsasaki: no 13:39:18 now https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/issues/120 13:39:26 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/27-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki 13:39:43 scribe: fsasaki 13:39:46 thanks :) 13:39:53 topic: XLIFF mapping 13:39:58 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/27-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki 13:40:38 dF summarzing XLIFF discussion 13:41:58 df: had an implementers meeting about this, targeting rome demo, will continue with that this week 13:42:10 .. documenting decisions on the wiki page 13:42:10 present +Clemens 13:42:21 http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/XLIFF_Mapping 13:44:22 discussion on where to start the BP document - felix says that our mlw-lt wiki is fine, we can move to ITS IG later 13:44:40 df: if a roundtrip happens in XLIFF - you need to know what elements to use 13:44:52 .. when the data returns to the source format 13:45:02 .. that requires source format knowledge 13:46:43 XLIFF discussion on relation to source format 13:47:34 mostly agrees 13:47:48 topic: Rome / Luxembourg prep 13:48:28 http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/Rome-lux-prep 13:48:50 fsasaki: thanks specially Pedro for the feedback 13:48:50 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Feb/0289.html 13:49:28 fsasaki: would be good to rehearse business and technicval demonstrations 13:50:05 tadej_: Enricher will be used by Cocomore and? 13:50:27 Pedro: putting to much work on the posters 13:52:06 tadej_: Pedro says to merge buusiness and technical but this is not the case 13:52:10 Tadej was saying that the Enrycher will be also used by TCD/UL LION<->SOLAS demo 13:53:16 fsasaki: in most of the demonstrations you can make a relation with the use cases 13:53:39 tadej_: not having strong opinion on the ordering 13:53:59 Pedro: the demos should be presented according to the posters 13:54:45 Pedro: have to choose if the business presentations have to go first or not 13:55:44 dF: Dave tadej are you in contact in order to see if there are some loose ends? 13:56:44 fsasaki: do you need the WG to participate on those meeting? 13:56:56 ..just to keep track 13:57:05 itsx: 13:57:37 yes for me 13:57:41 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Feb/0289.html 13:57:42 dF: Is the friday call 1:00 pm UTC working for everybody? 13:57:47 Pedr: yes 13:57:47 yes for me 13:57:54 dF: ok 13:58:00 DaveL: ok 13:58:10 Milan: ok 13:58:24 s\Pedr:\Pedro: 13:58:26 I may be 10 minutes late joining and have to leave 15 minutes before end. 13:58:36 Present+ Milan 13:58:43 Tadej: agreed 13:59:58 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/27-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki 14:00:24 dF: there was the need to host this itsx NS, we would shre the details this week 14:00:48 fsasaki: why is Shaun invelved in this? 14:01:03 dF: he is only parcipating on the development 14:01:15 Sean Mooney 14:01:23 s/invelved/involved/ 14:01:43 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/27-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki 14:01:50 fsasaki: I encourage you not to parcipate in off the group call about xliff mapping 14:02:03 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/27-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki 14:02:13 .. try to involve others in the WG 14:45:21 Zakim has left #mlw-lt