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14:30:20 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DAP
14:30:20 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 30 minutes
14:30:21 <trackbot> Meeting: Device APIs Working Group Teleconference
14:30:21 <trackbot> Date: 27 February 2013
14:33:57 <fjh> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Feb/0087.html
14:34:10 <fjh> fjh has changed the topic to: dap 3279 ; agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Feb/0087.html
14:34:36 <fjh> Chair: Frederick_Hirsch
14:34:40 <fjh> Present+ Frederick_Hirsch
14:34:50 <fjh> Topic: Welcome, agenda review, scribe selection, announcements
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14:57:29 <fjh> ScribeNick: fjh
14:57:44 <Zakim> +Josh_Soref
14:58:04 <fjh> Present+ Josh_Soref
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15:02:00 <gmandyam> Giri Mandyam dialing in ...
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15:02:30 <fjh> s;Present_ Giri_Mandyam;;
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15:03:41 <fjh> Present+ Milan_Patel, Clark_Stevens
15:04:00 <fjh> fjh: No announcements
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15:04:13 <fjh> Topic: Minutes approval
15:05:00 <fjh> Draft minutes from 20 February 2013 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Feb/att-0088/minutes-2013-02-20.html
15:05:12 <Zakim> +Cathy
15:05:22 <fjh> fjh: josh will send out revised version with some minor editorial corrections, removal of bad actions etc, we can approve next week
15:05:29 <richt> zakim, IPCaller is me
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15:05:36 <richt> Present+ Rich_Tibbett
15:05:47 <Cathy> Present+ Cathy_Chan
15:06:04 <fjh> Topic: F2F Planning & Web Intents / Web Activities
15:06:33 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
15:06:33 <Zakim> On the phone I see fjh, Josh_Soref, bryan, clark, dcheng3, gmandyam, AnssiK, Milan_Patel, richt, Cathy
15:06:35 <Zakim> On IRC I see Clarke, Cathy, gmandyam, Milan_Patel, AnssiK, dcheng3, dtran, richt, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, Josh_Soref, slightlyoff, mounir, trackbot
15:08:57 <fjh> fjh: have spoken with James and Mounir about WebIntents, they plan to work on this later in March with Greg so we will hopefully have more to work with soon
15:09:17 <fjh> fjh: this timing could work out for a June F2F, giving us some time to work on the list before a F2F
15:09:45 <fjh> fjh: I think it also makes sense to keep the work in the Task Force, which is DAP and WebApps, for a variety of reasons
15:10:23 <fjh> fjh: also expect timing is good for June F2F with goal of moving Battery and Vibration to PR and also moving Proximity and Light forward (if not before)
15:10:46 <fjh> fjh: SysApps WG is having F2F 9-11 April in Madrid so June works for any follow up in DAP if needed
15:10:59 <fjh> fjh: need to check that Dom is available on dates, doing that now
15:11:22 <fjh> re-opened ACTION-591 in conjunction with Web Intents work
15:11:25 <fjh> ACTION-591?
15:11:25 <trackbot> ACTION-591 -- Greg Billock to work with Mounir and James to create new webintents draft that reflects web activities and issues -- due 2013-03-29 -- OPEN
15:11:25 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/591
15:11:55 <Cathy> Should we set up a questionnaire to fix the June date first?
15:12:02 <fjh> fjh: Diana can you please ask about holding rooms or another week, so I can check with Dom
15:12:33 <fjh> ACTION: fjh to set up f2f questionnaire
15:12:34 <trackbot> Created ACTION-617 - Set up f2f questionnaire [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2013-03-06].
15:12:38 <dcheng3> Yes, will do.
15:12:54 <fjh> fjh: we need to decide regarding TPAC soonish due to visa etc for China
15:13:06 <fjh> fjh: might not need a F2F at TPAC depending on status of work
15:13:16 <fjh> TPAC 2013: Nov 18-22 in Shenzhen - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Jan/0095.html
15:13:31 <fjh> fjh: need to determine cut off date for TPAC decision
15:13:48 <fjh> Topic: Network Service Discovery
15:14:05 <fjh> plan for updates and then publication of updated WD
15:14:31 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Feb/0090.html
15:15:11 <fjh> richt: plan to work on this now and next week, and then do pubrules so this should take a couple of weeks
15:15:25 <fjh> Topic: Battery
15:15:34 <fjh> Additional updates, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Feb/0075.html (Anssi)
15:15:34 <fjh> Test status update, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Feb/0079.html (Anssi)
15:15:38 <AnssiK> q+
15:15:49 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Feb/0086.html
15:15:54 <fjh> ack AnssiK
15:16:42 <fjh> anssik: modernized specification by getting rid of unnecessary attribute sections from DOM style specs, integrated in prose
15:17:04 <AnssiK> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/dap/rev/80120ce78810
15:17:10 <fjh> anssik: minor section 5 prose updates to align with HTML5 spec, added navigator terminology
15:17:20 <fjh> anssik: easier to review to scroll down to the source
15:17:30 <Zakim> -clark
15:18:17 <Zakim> +clark
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15:18:33 <fjh> anssik: mounir updated tests, I updated IDL harness tests accordingly, thanks to Boris and others, is in good shape, only one failing test case
15:18:45 <fjh> ... that requires WebIDL update
15:18:53 <fjh> ... please review the spec and test suite
15:19:02 <fjh> ... Giri had action to add new test cases
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15:20:08 <fjh> fjh: perhaps you can update status section now as well, I can provide text
15:20:20 <fjh> action: fjh to provide sotd text for battery, vibration status updates
15:20:21 <trackbot> Created ACTION-618 - Provide sotd text for battery, vibration status updates [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2013-03-06].
15:21:03 <fjh> Topic: Administrative - meetings
15:21:10 <fjh> RESOLUTION: Cancel 1 May teleconference
15:21:37 <fjh> Topic: HTML Media Capture
15:21:44 <AnssiK> we should try to close HTML Media Capture LC comments LC-2637, LC-2638, and LC-2639: https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/43696/WD-html-media-capture-20120712/doc/
15:21:50 <fjh> anssik: remaining comments from Doug
15:22:53 <fjh> action: fjh to follow up with Doug re closing HTML Media Capture LC Comments
15:22:54 <trackbot> Created ACTION-619 - Follow up with Doug re closing HTML Media Capture LC Comments [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2013-03-06].
15:23:13 <AnssiK> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17879
15:23:26 <fjh> fjh: contacted Doug earlier, have waited regarding contacting again since I know he was busy with W3Conf
15:25:15 <AnssiK> the HTML tracker entry has discussion on potentially integrating the capture attribute in the HTML spec
15:25:20 <fjh> fjh: do not want to create unnecessary dependencies that keep us from progressing work, so we can move this spec forward without preventing adoption at any time
15:25:45 <fjh> Topic: Action Review
15:29:45 <fjh> s;Topic: Action Review;;
15:30:17 <fjh> anssik: what is the next step once we close LC comments, should we go to CR or wait for implementations
15:31:37 <fjh> fjh: call for implementations is appropriate once we are clear on exit criteria
15:31:52 <fjh> anssik: for testing we will need manual tests which will require working with  implementers
15:32:01 <fjh> fjh: are you working on the test cases
15:32:03 <fjh> anssik: yes
15:32:25 <fjh> fjh: we need to be clear on the nature of these tests and careful about defining exit criteria before going to CR
15:32:45 <fjh> josh_soref: I am working on getting a device to Anssi
15:32:55 <fjh> anssik: received an email today, thanks much
15:33:31 <fjh> fjh: who will you be able to work with on testing for HTML Media Capture
15:33:59 <fjh> anssik: mounir or other person from Mozilla or other WebKit people like Adam Barth
15:34:48 <fjh> fjh: if you can start on testing as we work toward getting to CR that would help make sure the exit criteria are good
15:35:53 <fjh> Topic: Action Review
15:35:58 <fjh> action-446?
15:35:58 <trackbot> ACTION-446 -- Frederick Hirsch to review security issue http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Aug/0006.html -- due 2011-08-24 -- OPEN
15:35:58 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/446
15:36:18 <fjh> fjh: not sure this relevant any more, will review to see whether to close
15:36:28 <fjh> ACTION-474?
15:36:28 <trackbot> ACTION-474 -- Adrian Bateman to make a proposal for Network Information API -- due 2012-10-15 -- OPEN
15:36:28 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/474
15:36:45 <fjh> fjh: will check with Adrian
15:36:53 <fjh> anssik: did he address at F2F
15:37:00 <fjh> fjh: I think he said there was more to do
15:37:16 <fjh> action-523?
15:37:16 <trackbot> ACTION-523 -- Anssi Kostiainen to work on test cases for battery and vibration -- due 2012-08-31 -- OPEN
15:37:16 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/523
15:37:26 <fjh> action-523: add HTML Media capture testing to the list
15:37:26 <trackbot> Notes added to ACTION-523 Work on test cases for battery and vibration.
15:37:38 <fjh> ACTION-565?
15:37:38 <trackbot> ACTION-565 -- Josh Soref to propose text for HTML Media Capture to allow for alternative capture device if specified device not available -- due 2012-08-22 -- OPEN
15:37:38 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/565
15:37:58 <fjh> fjh: josh is checking on whether this is still relevant
15:38:07 <fjh> josh_soref: yes
15:38:16 <fjh> ACTION-613?
15:38:16 <trackbot> ACTION-613 -- Frederick Hirsch to draft proposed OMA liaison response -- due 2013-02-13 -- OPEN
15:38:16 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/613
15:38:30 <fjh> fjh: I believe we can close this with no more action given list discussion
15:38:36 <fjh> close ACTION-613
15:38:36 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-613 Draft proposed OMA liaison response.
15:38:47 <fjh> fjh: will close pending actions
15:39:10 <fjh> close ACTION-614
15:39:10 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-614 Check with richt re network service discovery API updates and WD publication.
15:39:14 <fjh> close ACTION-615
15:39:14 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-615 check with DOM that CR to PR status still ok despite Battery update by member:Mounir.
15:39:19 <fjh> ACTION-616?
15:39:19 <trackbot> ACTION-616 -- Frederick Hirsch to send message to Niklas re ACTION-592 then close -- due 2013-02-27 -- PENDINGREVIEW
15:39:19 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/616
15:39:36 <fjh> fjh: Niklas has confirmed this should be closed, no resources to work on this
15:39:40 <fjh> close ACTION-616
15:39:40 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-616 Send message to Niklas re ACTION-592 then close.
15:39:46 <fjh> Topic: Issues
15:40:08 <fjh> ISSUE-127?
15:40:08 <trackbot> ISSUE-127 -- Status section of Battery CR draft should include exit criteria and at-risk items -- open
15:40:08 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/127
15:40:23 <fjh> fjh: discussed earlier today, I will provide text to Anssi
15:40:33 <fjh> ISSUE-128?
15:40:33 <trackbot> ISSUE-128 -- Need more description on how bandwidth should be estimated -- open
15:40:33 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/128
15:40:52 <fjh> fjh: relevant, is anyone working on this?
15:41:07 <fjh> fjh: topic for list and future agenda
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15:42:13 <fjh> Topic: Other business
15:42:22 <fjh> q?
15:42:31 <Zakim> -bryan
15:42:33 <Zakim> -Josh_Soref
15:42:34 <Zakim> -richt
15:42:35 <Zakim> -AnssiK
15:42:36 <Zakim> -lgombos
15:42:38 <Zakim> -clark
15:42:38 <Zakim> -dcheng3
15:42:43 <Zakim> -Milan_Patel
15:42:48 <fjh> Thanks to everyone for comments on Network Service Discovery
15:43:10 <fjh> thanks to editors for all the work
15:43:14 <fjh> no other business noted
15:43:17 <fjh> Topic: Adjourn
15:43:20 <fjh> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:43:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/27-dap-minutes.html fjh
15:43:58 <Zakim> -Cathy
15:44:01 <fjh> Regrets+ Dominique_Hazael-Massieux
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15:44:56 <fjh> s/bad actions/bad action requests/
15:45:55 <fjh> a/couple of weeks/cathy: my comments are on the list
15:46:00 <fjh> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:46:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/27-dap-minutes.html fjh
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15:47:43 <fjh> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:47:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/27-dap-minutes.html fjh
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15:47:58 <Zakim> Attendees were fjh, Josh_Soref, bryan, +1.720.934.aaaa, dcheng3, gmandyam, clark, AnssiK, Milan_Patel, Cathy, richt, +1.617.225.aabb, lgombos
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