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20:27:56 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 3694
20:27:56 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
20:27:57 <trackbot> Meeting: Education and Outreach Working Group Teleconference
20:27:57 <trackbot> Date: 25 February 2013
20:28:22 <shawn> scribe: Sharron
20:28:40 <Sharron> Topic: WCAG-EM Overview
20:29:25 <shawn> http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/Drafts/eval/wcag-em.php
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20:31:36 <Sharron> Discussion of the document and point by point changes suggested.
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20:35:28 <Sharron> ACTION: Andrew to Investigate pros and cons of keeping URI of Prelim Eval -OR- create a redirect.
20:35:28 <trackbot> Created ACTION-279 - Investigate pros and cons of keeping URI of Prelim Eval -OR- create a redirect. [on Andrew Arch - due 2013-03-04].
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20:55:50 <Sharron> Wayne: Must be clear that this is meant as an audit document. Not meant as a development tool.
20:56:32 <Sharron> ...should need to remove "can be used for other purposes" especially the part about developers during development.
20:57:28 <Sharron> Shawn: developers is not an audience included in the documentation of targets for this document
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21:27:20 <Andrew> q+ to ask about the 'working draft' link
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21:42:15 <Andrew> ack me
21:42:15 <Zakim> Andrew, you wanted to ask about the 'working draft' link
21:51:29 <Sharron> Andrew: Unless you must demonstrate formal conformance you may not need to go through the WCAG-EM process.
21:51:54 <Sharron> Wayne: But there are many educational aspects inlcluded here
21:52:20 <Sharron> Helle: And they will also use it in the EU for benchmarking
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22:08:40 <Sharron> Wayne: Proposes that we eliminate developers from Who Will Use
22:09:08 <Sharron> Andres: Or say instead "web devs who waht to understand how it will be evaluated"
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22:16:27 <Sharron> Wayne: This is too broad - this document is an audit process document.  it is NOT for all these other groups.
22:17:04 <Sharron> Sharron: Yes and it is a distraction to inlcude groups who may be peripherally interested but not actual users.
22:17:46 <Sharron> Helle: it will be auditors of government regulators, corporate, educational, or third party consultants.
22:18:02 <Sharron> ...not necessary to list all of them.
22:18:11 <Sharron> Jennifer: Internal or external auditors.
22:19:03 <Sharron> Wayne: both are necessary
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22:25:46 <Sharron> Sharron: It is for the direct use of auditors and benchmarking. Also referenced by procurment and management.
22:26:34 <Sharron> Wayne: WCAG-EM is for people who want to spend an exciting life in Web auditing.
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22:37:25 <shawn> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/conformance/ED-methodology-20130208#audience
22:40:41 <Sharron> Jennifer: Disability advocates are listed on the Editor's Draft but truly, that group will not use it.
22:41:33 <Sharron> ...and teachers, if they are training someone to use it, of course will use it but do not need to be called out as an audience.  If youa re teaching any topic, you refer to the topic.
22:43:22 <Sharron> Andrew: In the needed skills, is it strong enough to say "knowledge of WCAG?" Is that strong enough?
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23:44:22 <shawn> trackbot, start meeting
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23:44:26 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 3694
23:44:26 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
23:44:27 <trackbot> Meeting: Education and Outreach Working Group Teleconference
23:44:27 <trackbot> Date: 25 February 2013
23:44:35 <shawn> topic: Easy Checks - Color Contrast section
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23:44:44 <shawn> http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/wiki/Web_Accessibility_Preliminary_Evaluation#Color_contrast
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23:53:42 <Sharron> Wayne: Can we less specific, say dark text on light background for example and bright text on dark background.
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