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15:02:24 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WEBID
15:02:24 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see INC_WEBID(WEBID)10:00AM already started
15:02:25 <trackbot> Meeting: WebID Community Group Teleconference
15:02:25 <trackbot> Date: 22 February 2013
15:02:29 <deiu> Zakim, who is on the phone?
15:02:31 <Zakim> On the phone I see Bob_Powers, bblfish, +1.631.444.aaaa, ??P15, OpenLink_Software
15:02:32 <TallTed> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:02:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/22-webid-minutes.html TallTed
15:02:38 <TallTed> RRSAgent, make logs public
15:02:39 <deiu> Zakim, ??P15 is me
15:02:40 <Zakim> +deiu; got it
15:02:41 <Zakim> +??P24
15:02:46 <TallTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
15:02:46 <Zakim> +TallTed; got it
15:02:58 <ebremer> 444.aaaa is me
15:03:00 <bergi> Zakim, ??P24 is me
15:03:00 <Zakim> +bergi; got it
15:03:09 <bblfish> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webid/2013Feb/0208.html
15:03:28 <bblfish> zakim, who is here?
15:03:28 <Zakim> On the phone I see Bob_Powers, bblfish, +1.631.444.aaaa, deiu, TallTed, bergi
15:03:30 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, deiu, ebremer, bblfish, TallTed, bobP, jmvanel, magnetik, trueg, bergi, elf-pavlik, mischat, trackbot, sandro
15:03:34 <ebremer> me
15:03:46 <bblfish> zakim, aaaa is ebremer
15:03:47 <Zakim> +ebremer; got it
15:03:52 <bblfish> zakim, who is here?
15:03:52 <Zakim> On the phone I see Bob_Powers, bblfish, ebremer, deiu, TallTed, bergi
15:03:54 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, deiu, ebremer, bblfish, TallTed, bobP, jmvanel, magnetik, trueg, bergi, elf-pavlik, mischat, trackbot, sandro
15:04:10 <deiu> Zakim, mute me please
15:04:11 <Zakim> deiu should now be muted
15:04:42 <bblfish> scribe bergi
15:05:02 <bblfish> zakim, bergi is scribe
15:05:02 <Zakim> +scribe; got it
15:05:15 <bblfish> Topic: Meeting Minutes from last time
15:05:22 <bblfish> http://www.w3.org/2013/02/08-webid-minutes.html
15:06:34 <bblfish> make sure they are good
15:06:35 <bblfish> +1
15:07:12 <bblfish> Topic: Actions
15:07:22 <bblfish> ACTION-47?
15:07:22 <trackbot> ACTION-47 -- Henry Story to put forward 1 of the raised issued every 3 days approximately for discussion in view of closure -- due 2011-10-24 -- OPEN
15:07:22 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/actions/47
15:07:46 <bblfish> propose to close
15:08:01 <bblfish> +1
15:08:02 <bergi> bblfish: close this action because it's dated october 2011
15:08:06 <deiu> +1
15:08:09 <bergi> +1
15:08:13 <bblfish> close action-47
15:08:13 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-47 Put forward 1 of the raised issued every 3 days approximately for discussion in view of closure.
15:08:27 <bblfish> ACTION-42?
15:08:27 <trackbot> ACTION-42 -- Henry Story to write sparql query for ping back form http://bblfish.net/tmp/2011/05/09/ -- due 2011-10-10 -- OPEN
15:08:27 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/actions/42
15:08:41 <bblfish> propose to close one too because it's out of date
15:08:45 <bblfish> +1
15:08:51 <deiu> +1
15:09:00 <bergi> +1
15:09:06 <bblfish> close Action-42: out of date and off topic
15:09:15 <bblfish> close Action-42, out of date and off topic
15:09:19 <bblfish> close Action-42 out of date and off topic
15:09:46 <bblfish> close Action-42
15:09:46 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-42 Write sparql query for ping back form http://bblfish.net/tmp/2011/05/09/.
15:09:48 <bblfish> help?
15:09:53 <TallTed> trackbot, help
15:09:53 <trackbot> Please see <http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc> for help.
15:10:01 <bblfish> ACTION-43?
15:10:01 <trackbot> ACTION-43 -- Stéphane Corlosquet to send mail and add entry to wiki page for the state of Drupal WebID component, so that others can join and help out -- due 2011-10-17 -- OPEN
15:10:01 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/actions/43
15:10:43 <bblfish> ACTION-58?
15:10:43 <trackbot> ACTION-58 -- Henry Story to contact Nathan and see whether action-57 satisfies issue-18 -- due 2013-02-08 -- OPEN
15:10:43 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/actions/58
15:11:02 <bblfish> Issue-18
15:11:02 <trackbot> ISSUE-18 -- Transfer Protocol Independence -- open
15:11:02 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/issues/18
15:11:35 <bblfish> action-57?
15:11:35 <trackbot> ACTION-57 -- Andrei Sambra to remove redundant sections from https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/WebID/raw-file/tip/spec/index-respec.html, based on content of https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/WebID/raw-file/tip/spec/identity-respec.html ; former doc to then become https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/WebID/raw-file/tip/spec/auth-respec.html -- due 2013-02-08 -- OPEN
15:11:36 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/actions/57
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15:11:54 <Zakim> +scor
15:12:05 <bblfish> ACTION-43?
15:12:05 <trackbot> ACTION-43 -- Stéphane Corlosquet to send mail and add entry to wiki page for the state of Drupal WebID component, so that others can join and help out -- due 2011-10-17 -- OPEN
15:12:05 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/actions/43
15:12:23 <bblfish>  http://drupal.org/project/webid
15:12:45 <TallTed> TallTed has changed the topic to: WebID Community Group - http://www.w3.org/community/webid/ - current agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webid/2013Feb/0208.html
15:13:16 <bergi> scorlosq: i can create a wiki page for drupal wiki project.
15:13:38 <bergi> scorlosq: more information in next weeks meeting
15:14:32 <bblfish> ACTION-58?
15:14:32 <trackbot> ACTION-58 -- Henry Story to contact Nathan and see whether action-57 satisfies issue-18 -- due 2013-02-08 -- OPEN
15:14:32 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/actions/58
15:15:28 <deiu> ack me
15:16:18 <bergi> action-57 is about splitting the spec.
15:16:48 <bblfish> Action-57?
15:16:48 <trackbot> ACTION-57 -- Andrei Sambra to remove redundant sections from https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/WebID/raw-file/tip/spec/index-respec.html, based on content of https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/WebID/raw-file/tip/spec/identity-respec.html ; former doc to then become https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/WebID/raw-file/tip/spec/auth-respec.html -- due 2013-02-08 -- OPEN
15:16:49 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/actions/57
15:17:19 <bblfish> Issue-18?
15:17:19 <trackbot> ISSUE-18 -- Transfer Protocol Independence -- open
15:17:19 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/issues/18
15:19:28 <bblfish> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/spec/#publishing-the-webid-profile-document
15:19:32 <deiu> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/WebID/raw-file/tip/spec/index-respec.html
15:19:54 <bblfish> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/spec/#publishing-the-webid-profile-document
15:20:05 <bblfish> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/spec/#the-webid-protocol
15:20:57 <bergi> issue-18 is about authentication on services that use another protocol than http-tls.
15:22:29 <bergi> TallTed: for example: webid-tls could be also used via smtps
15:24:25 <bergi> TallTed: in the future a webid could use other protocols. that's the reason to split the spec.
15:24:31 <bblfish> q?
15:25:08 <bblfish> Topic: ISSUES
15:25:13 <bblfish> ISSUE-6?
15:25:13 <trackbot> ISSUE-6 -- using ASN.1 formats for WebID description -- raised
15:25:13 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/issues/6
15:25:26 <deiu> Zakim, mute me please
15:25:26 <Zakim> deiu should now be muted
15:25:40 <bblfish> Proposal: close or postpone. Currently we have enough with Turtle as the default representation. We don't exclude this as a representation that could be used, but it is not within our scope to define this.
15:26:18 <scorlosq> postpone?
15:26:39 <scorlosq> we can re-open it later
15:26:49 <deiu> I'd rather we close it, for the sake of easing the move to WG
15:27:07 <deiu> ack me
15:28:06 <bergi> deiu: close the issue to keep the spec simple.
15:29:03 <bergi> +q
15:29:16 <deiu> ack bergi
15:29:32 <Zakim> -scor
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15:29:51 <bblfish> q+
15:30:21 <bobP> choppy
15:30:25 <deiu> bergi: there is no point supporting a representation which is not linked data
15:31:36 <bergi> the grddl output is a webid, the asn.1 is something else which isn't covered by our spec
15:32:06 <scorlosq> I have updated the Drupal info at http://www.w3.org/wiki/WebID_Protocol_Implementations
15:33:03 <deiu> Zakim, mute me
15:33:03 <Zakim> deiu should now be muted
15:34:17 <bblfish> postpone it
15:34:21 <deiu> +1
15:34:24 <bblfish> +1
15:34:27 <ebremer> +1
15:36:42 <bergi> TallTed: every issue must be reassigned if we create new products
15:37:12 <bergi> TallTed: s/reassigned/reviewed
15:37:34 <bblfish> ISSUE-23?
15:37:35 <trackbot> ISSUE-23 -- Authorized Representations and Dereferencing a WebID URI -- raised
15:37:35 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/issues/23
15:38:03 <bblfish> Proposal: this seems to contain a number of issues. The part that says  "the dereferencing process be well defined" seems relevant to current debates.  See next ISSUE.
15:38:32 <bblfish> ISSUE-75?
15:38:32 <trackbot> ISSUE-75 -- dereferencing process must be well defined -- raised
15:38:32 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/issues/75
15:40:00 <bergi> bblfish: issue-23 contains many issues. one of them was separated into issue-75.
15:41:03 <bergi> TallTed: http already covers dereferencing
15:44:09 <bblfish> q?
15:44:12 <bblfish> ack
15:44:16 <bblfish> ack bblfish
15:44:22 <bblfish> q?
15:44:28 <bblfish> zakim, who is here?
15:44:28 <Zakim> On the phone I see Bob_Powers, bblfish, ebremer, deiu (muted), TallTed, scribe
15:44:30 <Zakim> On IRC I see rszeno, scorlosq, RRSAgent, Zakim, deiu, ebremer, bblfish, TallTed, bobP, jmvanel, trueg, bergi, elf-pavlik, mischat, trackbot, sandro
15:44:36 <ebremer> agrees with "http" already covers dereferencing
15:44:45 <deiu> q+
15:44:51 <deiu> ack me
15:45:31 <bergi> bblfish: we should add a link to a document that describes dereferencing
15:46:36 <bergi> deiu: it's about to distinguish between uri of the document an the webid
15:46:58 <bergi> TallTed: we should change the description
15:47:55 <bblfish> action bblfish rewrite issue-75 to put it in terms of 2 URIs one naming the document and one naming the person
15:47:55 <trackbot> Created ACTION-62 - Rewrite issue-75 to put it in terms of 2 URIs one naming the document and one naming the person [on Henry Story - due 2013-03-01].
15:48:25 <bblfish> ISSUE-55?
15:48:25 <trackbot> ISSUE-55 -- explore WebID URI-schema openness -- raised
15:48:25 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/issues/55
15:49:37 <bblfish> Propose moving Issue-55 to identity interoperability
15:51:04 <bergi> TallTed: the issue should be moved to the conceptual spec
15:52:28 <bblfish> +1
15:52:31 <TallTed> PROPOSAL: conceptually, "a WebID is a dereferenceable URI" (no scheme specificity).  implementationally, it may be limited (e.g., HTTP for the currently drafting WebID-over-TLS)
15:54:23 <TallTed> PROPOSAL: recategorize ISSUE-55 to conceptual spec.
15:54:23 <bobP> :-)
15:54:28 <bblfish> +1
15:54:29 <TallTed> +1
15:54:30 <ebremer> +1
15:54:31 <bergi> +1
15:54:33 <deiu> +1
15:54:36 <scorlosq> +1
15:55:27 <bblfish> Resolved:  recategorize ISSUE-55 to conceptual spec.
15:55:32 <TallTed> PROPOSED: resolve ISSUE-55 by saying in conceptual spec "a WebID is a dereferenceable URI" (no scheme specificity).  each implementational spec may impose limits for that implementation  (e.g., HTTP URI for the currently drafting WebID-over-TLS)
15:55:40 <ebremer> it would be fun to discuss ws:// and wss:// schemes but i would keep it limited to http
15:55:49 <bblfish> -1
15:59:04 <deiu> q+
16:00:17 <bergi> bblfish: the proposal is out of scope
16:00:24 <bergi> TallTed: doesn't agree
16:00:48 <bergi> deiu: this was voted some weeks ago
16:01:15 <deiu> -1
16:01:18 <TallTed> +1
16:03:09 <bergi> TallTed: the definition for http only urls belongs to the implementation spec
16:03:31 <bergi> TallTed: not into the conceptual spec
16:06:19 <bobP> I am <gently> +1 to what TallTed is saying
16:06:30 <bergi> deiu: we have to provide example if we are to generic
16:07:02 <deiu> bobP, so am I (conceptually), but the main goal is to push the move to WG.
16:07:19 <bobP> k
16:08:25 <TallTed> q+
16:08:31 <TallTed> ack deiu
16:09:03 <deiu> q+
16:09:33 <bblfish> q+
16:11:12 <TallTed> ack me
16:12:06 <TallTed> PROPOSAL: postpone issue-55 to WG
16:12:30 <bergi> can we add a note like "implementation specs may limit the allowed protocols." to the conceptual spec. in the implementation spec we add the http limitation. as there is currently only one implementation spec, only http urls are valid now.
16:12:44 <Zakim> -ebremer
16:13:12 <TallTed> +1 bergi
16:13:19 <TallTed> also +1 my proposal
16:13:24 <bblfish> +1
16:13:28 <deiu> +1
16:13:32 <bergi> +1
16:15:50 <bblfish> postpone issue-55
16:17:00 <TallTed> RESOLVED: issue-55 postponed until WG
16:17:36 <bblfish> meet next week?
16:17:37 <bblfish> +1
16:17:41 <bobP> +1
16:17:42 <bergi> +1
16:18:04 <deiu> +1
16:18:12 <deiu> re. what Timbl said: http://www.w3.org/2012/11/16-webid-minutes.html
16:19:06 <bblfish> bye
16:19:10 <Zakim> -TallTed
16:19:11 <Zakim> -Bob_Powers
16:19:11 <Zakim> -deiu
16:19:20 <bblfish> but that point about spdy is a good one
16:19:28 <bblfish> So I think we could open that as an issue
16:19:29 <Zakim> -scribe
16:19:39 <Zakim> -bblfish
16:19:40 <Zakim> INC_WEBID(WEBID)10:00AM has ended
16:19:40 <Zakim> Attendees were Bob_Powers, bblfish, +1.631.444.aaaa, deiu, TallTed, ebremer, scribe, scor
16:24:22 <bblfish> zakim, close session
16:24:22 <Zakim> I don't understand 'close session', bblfish
16:25:07 <bblfish> rrsagent, please draft minutes
16:25:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/22-webid-minutes.html bblfish
16:27:41 <bblfish> zakim, bye
16:27:41 <Zakim> Zakim has left #webid
16:27:46 <bblfish>  rrsagent, bye
16:27:46 <RRSAgent> I see no action items