IRC log of wai-wcag on 2013-02-21

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Zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
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ok, trackbot; I see WAI_WCAG()4:00PM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
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Meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 21 February 2013
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zakim, code?
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the conference code is 9224 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), shadi
20:57:31 [MichaelC]
regrets: Gian_Wild, James_Nurthen, Alex_Li
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WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has now started
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+Shadi
20:57:59 [MichaelC]
agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2013JanMar/0097.html
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+[IPcaller]
20:58:12 [Joshue108]
zakim, [IPcaller] is Joshue;
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+Joshue;; got it
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+??P16
20:58:32 [MichaelC]
zakim, ??P16 is Michael_Cooper
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+Michael_Cooper; got it
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+Katie_Haritos-Shea
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+Gregg_Vanderheiden
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+Robin_Tuttle
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zakim, mute me
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Joshue; should now be muted
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+ +1.617.584.aaaa
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zakim, aaaa is Andrew_Kirkpatrick
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+Andrew_Kirkpatrick; got it
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+[IPcaller]
21:02:14 [MichaelC]
zakim, Ipcaller is Kerstin_Probiesch
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+Kerstin_Probiesch; got it
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zakim, unmute me
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Joshue; should no longer be muted
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scribenick: Joshue
21:03:47 [MichaelC]
scribeNick: Joshue108
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scribenick: Joshue108
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+[Microsoft]
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zakim, Microsoft is Cherie_Eckholm
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+Cherie_Eckholm; got it
21:04:12 [MichaelC]
zakim, who is on the phone?
21:04:13 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Shadi, Joshue;, Michael_Cooper, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Robin_Tuttle, Andrew_Kirkpatrick, Kerstin_Probiesch, Cherie_Eckholm
21:04:37 [shadi]
zakim, mute me
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Shadi should now be muted
21:05:11 [Joshue108]
GV: Todays agenda is starting with the EVAL methodology. We hope to sign off on it etc.
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Zakim, who is making noise?
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zakim, mute me
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Joshue; should now be muted
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zakim, mute me
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Kerstin_Probiesch should now be muted
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AWK, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Katie_Haritos-Shea (4%), Gregg_Vanderheiden (80%)
21:05:39 [Loretta]
I'm going to try to monitor IRC while attending my orientation, but won't be on the phone.
21:06:29 [Joshue108]
GV: So if we have show stoppers we can give feedback etc. For probs please make suggestions. If not poss, an editors note etc is a good idea. Concerned about deadline etc.
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:-)
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https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20130221eval/results
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topic: Website Accessibility Conformance Eval Methodology
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q+
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ack me
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http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/conformance/ED-methodology-20130219#teams
21:09:25 [greggvanderheiden]
The methodology defined by this document can be carried out by an individual evaluator with the skills described in section Required Expertise. However, using the combined expertise of review teams provides better coverage for the required skills and helps identify accessibility barriers more effectively. While not required, it is strongly recommended to employ review teams for conformance evaluation of websites. Specific guidance is
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provided in Using Combined Expertise to Evaluate Web Accessibility.
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+ +1.650.253.aabb
21:12:38 [MichaelC]
zakim, aabb is Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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+Loretta_Guarino_Reid; got it
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RESOLUTION: Remove 'strongly' from review teams section
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+Bruce_Bailey
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q+
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"must" -> "has to"
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ack r
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ack l
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ack ryl
21:21:42 [kerstin]
probably a disclaimer like in the techniques "Some techniques use the word "must". Because the techniques document is not a normative document, this word is not used in the sense of RFC 2119. The colloquial use of the word "must" describes proper application of the specific technique under consideration. It does not imply requirements beyond the scope of the technique. "
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q+
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zakim, unmute me
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Kerstin_Probiesch should no longer be muted
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it's here : http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/intro.html
21:24:08 [Loretta]
Agree with Shadi.
21:24:46 [kerstin]
I'm also fine with deleting "must" :-)
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zakim, mute me
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Kerstin_Probiesch should now be muted
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+David_MacDonald
21:25:33 [greggvanderheiden]
probably a disclaimer like in the techniques "Some techniques use the word "must". Because the techniques document is not a normative document, this word is not used in the sense of RFC 2119. The colloquial use of the word "must" describes proper application of the specific technique under consideration. It does not imply requirements beyond the scope of the technique. "
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http://davidmacd.com/test/random.html
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q+
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q+
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I'm not in the queue, so shadi is next
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q- last
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q- later
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q-
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ack l
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ack me
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ack s
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-Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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Sorry need to drop off the phone now.
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http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/conformance/ED-methodology-20130219#step5a
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q+
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zakim, unmute me
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Kerstin_Probiesch should no longer be muted
21:37:47 [greggvanderheiden]
Only captures the successes and failures in meeting WCAG 2.0 conformance requirements globally for the entire website. For each WCAG 2.0 Success Criterion applicable as per Step 1.c. Define the Conformance Target, the report identifies if it is met or not met in the selected sample of web pages. Where failures in meeting WCAG 2.0 Success Criteria are identified, at least one example web page from the sample in which such a failure ha[CUT]
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identified must be indicated in the report.
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Detailed Report
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Captures the successes and failures in meeting WCAG 2.0 conformance requirements for each web page. For each WCAG 2.0 Success Criterion applicable as per Step 1.c. Define the Conformance Target, the report identifies if it is met or not met in each web page in the selected sample of web pages. Where failures in meeting WCAG 2.0 Success Criteria on a web page are identified, each identified occurrence of such a failure must be indicated in
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the report.
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ack k
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Basic Report
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Only captures the successes and failures in meeting WCAG 2.0 conformance requirements globally for the entire website. For each WCAG 2.0 Success Criterion applicable as per Step 1.c. Define the Conformance Target, the report identifies if it is met or not met in the selected sample of web pages. Where failures in meeting WCAG 2.0 Success Criteria are identified, at least one example web page from the sample in which such a failure ha[CUT]
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identified must be indicated in the report.
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Detailed Report
21:44:29 [greggvanderheiden]
Captures the successes and failures in meeting WCAG 2.0 conformance requirements for each web page. For each WCAG 2.0 Success Criterion applicable as per Step 1.c. Define the Conformance Target, the report identifies if it is met or not met in each web page in the selected sample of web pages. Where failures in meeting WCAG 2.0 Success Criteria on a web page are identified, each identified occurrence of such a failure must be indicated in
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the report.
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In-Depth Analysis Report
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Captures the successes and failures in meeting WCAG 2.0 conformance requirements for each Success Criterion. For each WCAG 2.0 Success Criterion applicable as per Step 1.c. Define the Conformance Target, the report identifies if it is met or not met in the selected sample of web pages. Where failures in meeting WCAG 2.0 Success Criteria are identified, examples of the identified occurrence of such a failure must be indicated in the r[CUT]
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The In-Depth Analysis Report includes a summary of the issues identified on the website, examples of frequently occurring issues and an assessment of their impact on the users of the website in completing tasks, and if possible suggestions for improving the overall accessibility of the website and suggesting guidance for the future.
21:45:21 [kerstin]
zakim, mute me
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Kerstin_Probiesch should now be muted
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q-
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-Bruce_Bailey
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q+
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zakim, umute me
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I don't understand 'umute me', kerstin
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zakim, unmute me
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Kerstin_Probiesch should no longer be muted
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q?
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ack
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ack k
21:54:44 [Joshue108]
Sorry guys, I'm gonna have to go in ~ 5, can someone else please scribe?
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zakim, mute me
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Kerstin_Probiesch should now be muted
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zakim, unmute me
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Joshue; should no longer be muted
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RESOUTION: Drop conformance requirements from the report format and add 'for each web page after ' success criterion in depth. Add editors note asking input on report formats.
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-Joshue;
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-Cherie_Eckholm
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-Robin_Tuttle
21:59:27 [AWK]
I have to drop off in ~1 minute also.
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-Andrew_Kirkpatrick
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+Bruce_Bailey
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Resolution: CHANGE
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Such web pages may not be excluded from the scope of evaluation according to this methodology.
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TO
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Such web pages may not be excluded from the scope of evaluation if this methodology is used. (or- ....if using this methodology)
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RESOLUTION:CHANGE
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Such web pages may not be excluded from the scope of evaluation according to this methodology.TO Such web pages may not be excluded from the scope of evaluation if this methodology is used. (or- ....if using this methodology)
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+Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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change 1c and 4c to read "….techniques and failures that have been documented by W3C and others as meeting the success criteria…."
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RESOLUTION: Change such web pages may not be excluded from the scope of evaluation according to this methodology to "Such web pages may not be excluded from the scope of evaluation if this methodology is used. (or- ....if using this methodology)"
22:08:18 [David]
RESOLUTION: change 1c and 4c to read "… .techniques and failures that have been documented by W3C and others as meeting the success criteria…."
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q+
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ack l
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zakim, unmute me
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Kerstin_Probiesch should no longer be muted
22:15:03 [David]
RESOLUTION: Shadi to update editorials from Joshue. 'My first thought was, "What situations?", then I realised you are referring to the closed network - that may be clearer if it was something like: "W3C/WAI provides a set of publicly documented Techniques for WCAG 2.0. However, it is not necessary to use these particular techniques. In fact, in some situations, such as in a closed network,...
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...it may be necessary to use techniques that are specifically developed to the particular needs of the users of that network."
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s/1c and 4c/1d and 4c/
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s/1c and 4c/1d and 4c/
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q+
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http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/conformance/ED-methodology-20130219#step4
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q-
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practicable?
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-Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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[[While ideally every web page of a website is evaluated, usually this is not possible on most websites. In cases where all web pages can be evaluated, this sampling procedure can be skipped and the selected sample is considered to be the entire website in the remaining steps.]]
22:33:16 [David]
RESOLUTION: add one more question to the scoring editors not... or would scoring be a good idea at all?
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s/not/note/
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RESOLUTION: Unanimous consent to oublishethe EVAL DOC as a draft with the resolutions of this meeting
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s/oublishethe/Publish the/
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-Shadi
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http://tinyurl.com/balvfg3
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'
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TOPIC: WCAG to ICT
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TOPIC: Comment LC-2661
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TOPIC: Comment LC-2653
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zakim, mute me
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Kerstin_Probiesch should now be muted
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-Bruce_Bailey
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RESOLUTION: Resolve LC-2653 as revised
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TOPIC: LC-2665
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RESOLUTION: Resolve LC-265 as written
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TOPIC:LC-2655
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s/ LC-265 as written/ LC-2665 as written
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s/ LC-265 as written/ LC-2665 as written/
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RESOLUTION: AcceLC-2653 as revised
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RESOLUTION: Accept LC-2665 as revised
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RESOLUTION: Accept LC-2653 as written
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RESOLUTION: Accept LC-2665, 2655, 2690, 2666, 2656, 2667, 2657, 2692, 2687, 2702, 2664, 2675, 2654, 2689, 2676, 2691, 2677, 2678, 2680, 2694, 2693, 2682,
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TOPIC: LC- 2668
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RESOLUTION: Accept LC-2668 as written
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TOPIC: LC- 2701
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RESOLUTION: Accept LC-2701 as written
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TOPIC: LC-2658
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RESOLUTION: Accept LC-2658 as written
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TOPIC: LC-2660
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RESOLUTION: Accept LC-2660 as revised
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TOPIC: LC-2698
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RESOLUTION: Accept LC-2698 as written
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TOPIC: LC-2770
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s/2770/2700/
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RESOLUTION: Accept LC-2700 as amended
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TOPIC: LC-2679
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TOPIC: LC-2681
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Topic: LC-2695
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RESOLUTION: Accept LC-2695 as amended
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TOPIC: LC-2688
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RESOLUTION: Accept LC-2688 as amended
23:25:48 [David]
TOPIC: LC-2661
23:36:36 [Loretta]
zakim, who is here?
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On the phone I see Michael_Cooper, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Kerstin_Probiesch (muted), David_MacDonald
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On IRC I see David, Loretta, kerstin, greggvanderheiden, Ryladog, shadi, Zakim, RRSAgent, jamesn, MichaelC, trackbot
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No
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zakim, unmute me
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Kerstin_Probiesch should no longer be muted
23:40:53 [David]
RESOLUTION: Accept LC-2669, 2679, 2681 as amended
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zakim, bye
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leaving. As of this point the attendees were Shadi, Joshue;, Michael_Cooper, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Robin_Tuttle, +1.617.584.aaaa, Andrew_Kirkpatrick,
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... Kerstin_Probiesch, Cherie_Eckholm, +1.650.253.aabb, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Bruce_Bailey, David_MacDonald
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rrsagent, make log public
23:42:37 [MichaelC]
chair: Gregg_Vanderheiden
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/21-wai-wcag-minutes.html MichaelC
23:42:44 [David]
RRSAgentI have made the request,
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zakim, bye
23:43:35 [David]
do you have it Michael
23:54:26 [MichaelC]
present+ Kerstin_Probiesch, Cherie_Eckholm, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Bruce_Bailey, David_MacDonald
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present- +1.617.584.aaaa
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/21-wai-wcag-minutes.html MichaelC
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rrsagent, bye
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I see no action items