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15:42:22 <Luc> Zakim, this will be PROV
15:42:22 <Zakim> ok, Luc; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 18 minutes
15:42:23 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be PROV
15:42:24 <trackbot> Meeting: Provenance Working Group Teleconference
15:42:24 <trackbot> Date: 21 February 2013
15:42:25 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 18 minutes
15:42:28 <Luc> Agenda:
15:42:39 <Luc> Agenda:http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.02.21
15:42:49 <Luc> Chair: Luc Moreau
15:42:56 <Luc> rrsagent, make logs public
15:43:01 <Luc> zakim, who is here?
15:43:01 <Zakim> SW_(PROV)11:00AM has not yet started, Luc
15:43:02 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Luc, TallTed, ivan, stain, trackbot
15:43:09 <Luc> topic: Admin
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15:53:53 <Zakim> +??P38
15:53:59 <smiles> zakim, ??P38 is smiles
15:53:59 <Zakim> +smiles; got it
15:54:00 <Luc> zakim,  +44.238.059.aaaa is me
15:54:00 <Zakim> +Luc; got it
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15:59:32 <TallTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
15:59:32 <Zakim> +TallTed; got it
15:59:34 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me
15:59:34 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted
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16:00:20 <tlebo> zakim, I am aabb
16:00:20 <Zakim> +tlebo; got it
16:00:25 <TallTed> Zakim, who's here?
16:00:25 <Zakim> On the phone I see Luc, smiles, Curt_Tilmes, TallTed (muted), [IPcaller], tlebo
16:00:28 <Zakim> On IRC I see GK, tlebo, Curt, GK-alt, Paolo, smiles, pgroth, Zakim, RRSAgent, Luc, TallTed, ivan, stain, trackbot
16:00:51 <TallTed> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:00:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/21-prov-minutes.html TallTed
16:00:56 <TallTed> RRSAgent, make logs public
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16:01:32 <TallTed> (setting permissions has no effect until there is a file to set the permissions on.  this is a bug in trackbot.)
16:01:39 <ivan> zakim, code?
16:01:39 <Zakim> the conference code is 7768 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), ivan
16:01:42 <smiles> yes
16:01:46 <Luc> simon?
16:01:54 <Zakim> +??P26
16:02:04 <GK> zakim, ??p26 is me
16:02:04 <Zakim> +GK; got it
16:02:06 <Zakim> +ivan
16:02:06 <Luc> scribe: smiles
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16:02:33 <Luc> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2013-02-07
16:02:39 <Luc> PROPOSED: to approve the minutes of Feb 07, 2013
16:02:40 <khalidBelhajjame> zakim, ?? P41 is me
16:02:40 <Zakim> I don't understand '?? P41 is me', khalidBelhajjame
16:02:44 <Zakim> + +1.818.731.aacc
16:02:45 <TomDN> Zakim, +Ruben is me
16:02:46 <Zakim> sorry, TomDN, I do not recognize a party named '+Ruben'
16:02:47 <khalidBelhajjame> zakim, ??P41 is me
16:02:47 <Zakim> +khalidBelhajjame; got it
16:02:52 <TomDN> Zakim, Ruben is me
16:02:52 <Zakim> +TomDN; got it
16:02:55 <TomDN> +1
16:02:56 <Curt> +1
16:02:57 <smiles> 0 (absent)
16:02:57 <zednik> +1
16:02:58 <TallTed> +1
16:03:00 <khalidBelhajjame> +1
16:03:00 <hook> +1
16:03:03 <Paolo> 0 (missed)
16:03:03 <GK> 0 (absent)
16:03:07 <Zakim> -[IPcaller.a]
16:03:16 <TomDN> Zakim, mute me
16:03:16 <Zakim> TomDN should now be muted
16:03:16 <tlebo> +1
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16:03:28 <Luc>  RESOLVED: the minutes of Feb 07, 2013 are approved
16:03:51 <smiles> Luc: Action on Luc, not done yet
16:03:55 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
16:03:58 <smiles> ... Action on Paul, completed
16:04:11 <Luc> Topic: WG Implementations
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16:04:38 <Luc> q?
16:04:39 <smiles> Luc: Paul, Stephan and Dong produced a very good implementation report. Any feedback?
16:04:43 <pgroth> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/reports/prov-implementations.html
16:04:50 <jcheney> having trouble getting through on phone...
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16:05:22 <smiles> Luc: If no feedback, will move to resolution to publish this report as a note
16:05:23 <Luc> PROPOSED: publish the implementation report as a W3C Note (short name: prov-implementations)
16:05:26 <ivan> +1
16:05:29 <smiles> +1
16:05:29 <khalidBelhajjame> +1
16:05:30 <tlebo> +1
16:05:34 <satya> +1
16:05:35 <Curt> +1
16:05:36 <Paolo> +1
16:05:37 <jcheney> +1
16:05:37 <TallTed> +1
16:05:37 <zednik> +1
16:05:40 <hook> +1
16:05:41 <TomDN> +1
16:05:42 <Zakim> +??P18
16:05:45 <dgarijo> +1
16:05:48 <GK> +0 (not reviewed)
16:05:50 <dgarijo> Zakim, ??P18 is me
16:05:50 <Zakim> +dgarijo; got it
16:05:59 <Luc> Resolved: publish the implementation report as a W3C Note (short name: prov-implementations)
16:06:32 <smiles> Luc: Yes, will have to ask for a short name when we make publication request, which will go ahead with now
16:06:36 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.aa]
16:06:37 <Luc> q?
16:06:41 <pgroth> Q+
16:06:44 <smiles> ... Anything else regarding imp report?
16:06:53 <jcheney> zakim, aa is me
16:06:53 <Zakim> sorry, jcheney, I do not recognize a party named 'aa'
16:07:03 <jcheney> zakim, +[IPcaller.aa] is me
16:07:03 <Zakim> sorry, jcheney, I do not recognize a party named '+[IPcaller.aa]'
16:07:11 <jcheney> zakim, IPcaller.aa is me
16:07:11 <Zakim> +jcheney; got it
16:07:15 <smiles> pgroth: We will first publish as a Working Draft with PR documents; then publish as Note at end of WG
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16:07:23 <pgroth> ack pgroth
16:07:35 <SamCoppens> zakim, SamCoppens is with TomDN
16:07:35 <Zakim> +SamCoppens; got it
16:07:47 <pgroth> btw, we have 64 implementations
16:07:50 <pgroth> reported
16:07:55 <smiles> Luc: Ivan, in the staged documents, which URL should we use for implementation report (dated)?
16:08:03 <smiles> ivan: Yes, dated URL
16:08:09 <Luc> q?
16:08:42 <smiles> ivan: In the draft as of now, be clear that this is version used for transition to PR
16:09:03 <Luc> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/releases/PR-prov-dm-20130312/Overview.html
16:09:56 <smiles> ivan: In the Imp Report document itself, make clear this is version used for transition request
16:10:00 <Luc> q?
16:10:09 <pgroth> :-(
16:10:16 <smiles> pgroth: Will make this edit
16:10:20 <Luc> topic: Transition to Proposed Recommendation
16:10:43 <smiles> Luc: First, update on 4 proposed PR documents
16:11:14 <smiles> Luc: PROV-N and PROV-DM are staged, checked, no further feedback from WG, need to update URL for Implementation Report (as above)
16:11:30 <smiles> ... With James, have also checked PROV-Constraints
16:11:52 <smiles> jcheney: Constraints document is checked and ready to go
16:12:38 <smiles> tlebo: Had response to Robin on respec version problems, need to export as HTML not XHTML which might affect RDFa encoding
16:12:58 <smiles> ... Once we're through that, ready for changing URL links and staging
16:13:20 <smiles> Luc: Sent links this morning regarding exporting HTML5 with RDFa
16:13:47 <Luc> lpq
16:13:52 <Luc> q?
16:13:58 <pgroth> sure
16:14:22 <smiles> ivan: Once the PR is published, cannot make changes going to Recomendation (including RDFa)
16:14:51 <Luc> PROPOSED: prov-dm, prov-o, prov-constraints, prov-n to be submitted as proposed recommendations
16:15:12 <ivan> +1 (W3C)
16:15:14 <khalidBelhajjame> +1 (University of Manchester)
16:15:17 <Curt> +1 (NASA)
16:15:17 <smiles> +1 (King's College London / Invited Expert)
16:15:19 <Luc> +1 (Southampton)
16:15:21 <TallTed> +1 (OpenLink Software)
16:15:22 <pgroth> +1 (VU University Amsterdam)
16:15:24 <TomDN> +1 (iMinds)
16:15:25 <SamCoppens> +1 (iMinds)
16:15:28 <hook> +1 (JPL/Caltech)
16:15:30 <zednik> +1 (RPI)
16:15:32 <dgarijo> +1 (Universidad Politécnica de Madrid)
16:15:33 <Paolo> +1 (newcastle University)
16:15:35 <satya> +1 (Invited Exper, Case Western Reserve University)
16:15:36 <jcheney> +1 (University of Edinburgh)
16:15:51 <tlebo> +1 (RPI)
16:15:57 <GK> +1
16:16:04 <GK> ^(Oxford)
16:16:18 <Luc> RESOLVED: prov-dm, prov-o, prov-constraints, prov-n to be submitted as proposed recommendations
16:16:42 <smiles> Luc: Congratulations. The documents will be submitted as PR
16:17:00 <smiles> ivan: Need to submit call to chairs list, as with CR
16:17:54 <smiles> ... Then wait 5 business days, have a transition call (Doodle prepared) on week after that, convince director to go to PR
16:18:15 <smiles> ... People will set up WBS forms for voting
16:18:43 <smiles> ... Members of this group should lobby their organisation to vote
16:19:22 <smiles> ... Theoretical need for another transition call, but only needed if revision required (a vote against)
16:19:34 <smiles> ... (before Recommendation status)
16:20:04 <smiles> ... Only change allowed is to Status section (though spelling errors can be fixed)
16:20:38 <smiles> Luc: Ivan has reviewed the draft transition request, needs references to PROV-O. Ready to go?
16:20:43 <smiles> ivan: Yes, as far as I know
16:21:18 <smiles> ... should go out tomorrow for sufficient gap before call
16:21:30 <smiles> Luc: What about MIME type application?
16:21:51 <smiles> ivan: will investigate
16:21:56 <Luc> q?
16:21:57 <pgroth> q+
16:22:20 <smiles> pgroth: Any connection between length of WG and release of the Recommendations?
16:22:24 <Luc> ack pgr
16:22:32 <smiles> ivan: Release should be before end of WG
16:22:57 <Luc> q?
16:23:00 <smiles> ... Once all documents published, WG may declare finished work and could close early
16:23:11 <smiles> Luc: Anything else on this topic?
16:23:20 <Luc> topic: Notes
16:23:36 <smiles> ivan: Congratulations to Luc, Paul :)
16:23:44 <tlebo> +1
16:23:47 <dgarijo> :)
16:23:51 <Luc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2013Feb/0098.html
16:24:16 <smiles> Luc: See timetable above
16:24:43 <smiles> ... Want to publish all our documents on 12 March, so need to be ready a week before
16:25:11 <smiles> ... So, at latest, need vote at next telecon for all remaining documents
16:25:39 <smiles> ... Would like to look now at each note to see what is required to get there
16:26:02 <smiles> Luc: Start with PROV-XML; Stephan shared with WG, but reviewers not assigned
16:26:20 <smiles> zednik: Stian given some feedback, and modifications made, but nothing further
16:26:54 <Luc> q?
16:27:11 <smiles> pgroth: Have we had approval for PROV-XML to go to WD?
16:27:14 <smiles> Luc: No not yet
16:27:20 <ivan> q+
16:27:20 <Luc> q?
16:27:25 <smiles> Luc: Will review PROV-XML before next Thursday
16:27:40 <smiles> Luc: Other reviewers?
16:27:42 <tlebo> I can try...
16:28:09 <smiles> Reviewers of PROV-XML: Luc, Stian, possibly Tim
16:28:27 <pgroth> q+
16:28:31 <smiles> zednik: Regarding embedding RDFa, are all notes trying to do this?
16:28:35 <smiles> Luc: Discuss later
16:28:38 <pgroth> ack pgroth
16:28:42 <Luc> q?
16:29:02 <pgroth> yes
16:29:06 <smiles> ivan: For PROV-XML, is there an XSD to publish?
16:29:10 <Luc> ack ivan
16:29:13 <smiles> zednik: Multiple XSD documents
16:29:22 <pgroth> q+
16:29:25 <smiles> ivan: Added to /ns or elsewhere?
16:29:42 <smiles> zednik: Yes, under /ns
16:29:55 <pgroth> ack pgroth
16:30:03 <smiles> ivan: Prior to publication, need to give me all those files
16:30:21 <Luc> q?
16:30:38 <smiles> Luc: Vote next Thursday on WD
16:31:00 <dgarijo> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/AnswersToProvDCReviewers
16:31:12 <smiles> dgarijo: PROV-DC ready for review (and has RDFa embedded) and detailed responses to previous reviews on Wiki
16:31:22 <Luc> q?
16:31:32 <pgroth> +1
16:31:33 <smiles> Luc: Reviewers for PROV-DC?
16:31:42 <TomDN> I will
16:31:53 <smiles> Yes
16:31:56 <dgarijo> +q
16:31:58 <zednik> I can
16:32:29 <smiles> Reviewers for PROV-DC: Paul, Simon (check prior review addressed), Tom, Stephan, Luc (check prior review addressed)
16:32:54 <smiles> Luc: Feedback on PROV-DC, whether to proceed as WD ahead of next telecon
16:32:58 <Luc> q?
16:33:27 <dgarijo> http://www.w3.org/ns/prov-dc-directmappings.ttl
16:33:35 <smiles> dgarijo: There are two referenced files external to note, not currently in Mercurial
16:33:46 <smiles> ivan: Send them to me
16:33:53 <Luc> q?
16:34:01 <Luc> ack dga
16:34:05 <pgroth> ivan owl:sameAs hg
16:34:22 <smiles> Luc; Same timetable for PROV-SEM?
16:34:37 <tlebo> ivan prov: actedOnBehalfOf hg .
16:34:51 <tlebo> hg is responsible for Ivan :-)
16:35:11 <pgroth> q+
16:35:14 <smiles> jcheney: Achievable to produce FPWD if people willing to spend time checking quality
16:35:36 <GK> (I would like to review -SEM, but I'm lacking time due to PROV-AQ commitments)
16:35:43 <ivan> +1 to Paul
16:35:44 <smiles> pgroth: For PROV-SEM, only FPWD, so don't need to be too picky
16:35:53 <Luc> ack pg
16:36:32 <pgroth> @jcheney that's fine
16:36:47 <smiles> jcheney: Will have to-dos and sections to complete etc.
16:36:55 <smiles> Luc: That's fine
16:36:57 <Luc> q?
16:37:15 <satya> I can review SEM
16:37:23 <smiles> jcheney: Will prepare version to review for Monday
16:37:26 <smiles> I would like to review it
16:37:36 <Paolo> ok that's fine
16:37:38 <khalidBelhajjame> I will review Prov-Sem
16:37:56 <smiles> Reviewers for PROV-SEM: Satya, Simon, Paolo, Khalid
16:38:05 <pgroth> q+
16:38:08 <Luc> q?
16:38:15 <pgroth> ack pgroth
16:38:15 <smiles> pgroth: Reviewers, be nice :)
16:38:16 <Luc> ack pg
16:38:26 <dgarijo> +1
16:39:33 <smiles> GK: For PROV-AQ, am somewhat behind; good number of robust reviews since last draft, not all addressed yet
16:40:05 <smiles> ... Some are suggesting useful changes to the technical content, particularly for REST API and Pingback
16:40:20 <smiles> ... Others suggest significant editorial changes
16:40:52 <smiles> ... Another day or so solid work to get through notes
16:41:01 <Luc> q?
16:41:05 <pgroth> q+
16:41:13 <smiles> ... Hope to complete by next week's telecon, but too late?
16:41:51 <smiles> pgroth: Already done big round of reviews, and everyone except Stian happy to release as WD
16:42:26 <smiles> ... So suggest everyone who submitted review do a quick check of whether OK to go as WD, not any more comprehensive reviews
16:42:33 <Luc> q?
16:42:35 <ivan> +1 to Paul
16:42:38 <Luc> ack pg
16:42:39 <smiles> GK: Makes sense to me
16:43:26 <smiles> Luc: To smooth process, Stian had blocking issues, so could start conversation with him to see whether those issues addressed in parallel
16:43:43 <smiles> GK: OK, will do so after making revision from Stian's comments
16:44:13 <pgroth> thanks GK
16:44:14 <smiles> Luc: Conclusion, new version of PROV-AQ by next telecon; previous reviewers confirm by email that OK to go as WD
16:44:27 <TomDN> yes we have
16:44:37 <smiles> Luc: Already voted for FPWD of PROV-Dictionary
16:44:37 <TomDN> not staged
16:44:42 <TomDN> zakim, unmute me
16:44:42 <Zakim> TomDN should no longer be muted
16:44:46 <smiles> Tom: Not yet staged
16:44:56 <pgroth> q+
16:44:58 <dgarijo> +q
16:45:03 <smiles> q+
16:45:22 <pgroth> ack pgroth
16:45:33 <TomDN> Zakim, mute me
16:45:33 <Zakim> TomDN should now be muted
16:45:43 <Luc> ack pg
16:45:52 <smiles> Luc: Resolution for each of other notes (primer, links) at next telecon
16:46:01 <smiles> dgarijo: When to stage?
16:46:13 <Luc> q?
16:46:15 <smiles> Luc: After next telecon, by 5 March
16:46:16 <Luc> ack dg
16:47:42 <smiles> smiles: Another review of primer needed?
16:47:56 <Luc> ack sm
16:47:59 <smiles> Luc: No, changes were to address specific issues raised
16:48:17 <Luc> q?
16:48:21 <smiles> ivan: Note that in PR phase, WG will have nothing else to do (but notes)
16:48:29 <Luc> topic: embedding prov metadata in the specs
16:48:57 <smiles> Luc: With four PR documents, cannot touch any more after tomorrow
16:49:25 <smiles> ... The PROV metadata we embed is not normative, and can link from HTML documents using PROV-AQ
16:49:44 <ivan> q+
16:49:49 <smiles> ... Cannot add substantial RDFa to PROV-DM, N, Constraints by tomorrow
16:50:11 <Luc> q?
16:50:15 <pgroth> q+
16:50:17 <Luc> ack ivan
16:50:23 <smiles> ivan: Is the idea that the Recommendations themselves only include link to an RDF file somewhere, using RDFa?
16:50:35 <smiles> Luc: Not even RDFa, HTML link as in PROV-AQ
16:50:42 <GK> (PROV-AQ doesn't specify use of RDFa)
16:51:13 <tlebo> linking to an RDF file from each spec doc fits with our /ns strategy for prov.owl etc.
16:51:15 <dgarijo> @GK: and the "hasProvenance" pointing to a .ttl file with the rdf statements?
16:51:21 <Curt> Keep in mind that this is a pathfinder and we are implicitly recommending that all future W3C documents follow the model of whatever we do now..
16:51:24 <smiles> ivan: Shouldn't be a problem; so the provenance file itself can be in any serialisation; should not have a URI in the /PR space
16:51:49 <Luc> q?
16:52:00 <smiles> ... Put as Turtle file somewhere in provenance space, finalise when go to Recommendation
16:52:01 <Luc> ack pg
16:52:21 <smiles> pgroth: Agree with Ivan's outline
16:53:01 <smiles> ... Also want to have a nice HTML page for our namespace, and that page could have RDFa embedded provenance
16:53:02 <Luc> q?
16:53:03 <tlebo> q+ to say each spec's  "one link" to an RDF file in "[something like] /ns" makes sense, and fits what we currently do with our OWL files in /ns
16:53:37 <smiles> ivan: The latter HTML file can be published after Recommendation
16:53:42 <Luc> q?
16:54:09 <smiles> tlebo: Also support what is currently being discussed
16:54:13 <GK> If we use:
16:54:18 <tlebo> q-
16:54:24 <GK> (oops… )
16:54:26 <tlebo> one for each makes sense.
16:54:36 <tlebo> the "single file for all" is the /ns's index page.
16:54:37 <smiles> Luc: Are we going for 1 provenance file for each spec, or one for all?
16:54:41 <tlebo> @luc both
16:54:49 <tlebo> both :-)
16:54:51 <pgroth> q+
16:55:11 <dgarijo> then we are going to drop the rdf-a annotation embedded in the specs?
16:55:23 <Luc> ack pg
16:55:23 <smiles> GK: One provenance file could include information about multiple dated releases
16:55:38 <dgarijo> @pgroth: +1
16:56:03 <smiles> pgroth: Suggest each specification link to its own provenance file, and then when produce /ns HTML page, that can point to all these files
16:56:05 <tlebo> @dgarijo you could RDFa-ize the prov:hasProvenance link to the "one provenance file" analogous to the html link link.
16:56:15 <Luc> q?
16:56:20 <hook> hook has joined #prov
16:56:29 <pgroth> yes
16:56:38 <tlebo> +1 pgroth to reference/union the "each prov file per spec" into the /ns index page.
16:56:39 <dgarijo> @tim: I have already embedded rdf-a in the note. Would I have to drop it then? :(
16:56:41 <smiles> Luc: If we are to freeze Recommendations by tomorrow, need to freeze that URL now?
16:56:44 <smiles> ivan: Yes
16:56:57 <Luc> q?
16:57:03 <tlebo> @dgarijo you can leave it, there'd just be different provenance of the provenance :-)
16:57:03 <smiles> Luc: What is the provenance W3C space?
16:57:19 <GK> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/ as stem of URI?
16:57:21 <dgarijo> @tlebo: :)
16:58:03 <tlebo> +1 to determining the targetURIs of our provenance files.
16:58:16 <Luc> so, would it be http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/prov-dm.ttl as the file for prov-dm?
16:58:35 <tlebo> q+ to verify that we must finalize the targetURIs by the end of the WG, right?
16:58:40 <GK> curl -i -H "Accept: application/rdf+xml" http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/
16:58:47 <tlebo> (finalize the CONTENTS of the targetURIs)
16:58:49 <Luc> q?
16:59:29 <pgroth> not target uris
16:59:40 <smiles> tlebo: For each note and spec, we will include one link to a file, finalised contents of these by Recommendations?
16:59:54 <pgroth> q+
17:00:01 <smiles> ivan: Yes
17:00:02 <Luc> ack pg
17:00:04 <tlebo> q-
17:00:05 <Luc> ack tl
17:00:06 <GK> @ivan no redirect for http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/provenance
17:00:13 <Luc> q?
17:00:17 <ivan> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/test.txt
17:00:26 <pgroth> yes
17:00:30 <smiles> ivan: Can you see the file above?
17:00:34 <Zakim> -[IPcaller.a]
17:00:35 <smiles> Luc: yes
17:00:56 <Luc> q?
17:01:10 <Luc> can you redirect for now to mercurial?
17:01:12 <pgroth> no
17:01:15 <smiles> ivan: So we can put files in that directory
17:01:20 <pgroth> but we can manage this later
17:01:44 <smiles> ivan: For the moment, I will have to push these files onto the website
17:02:09 <GK> Can we set up an .htaccess redirect to mercurial?
17:02:23 <Zakim> -Curt_Tilmes
17:02:25 <smiles> Luc: Ivan, can you put links to Mercurial in that directory, so we can edit the files?
17:02:31 <Zakim> - +1.818.731.aacc
17:02:52 <Luc> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/prov-dm.ttl
17:02:55 <tlebo> +1 to building the prov-dm.prov in hg, redirect until publishing FR, and copy into CVS when we publish FR.
17:03:17 <smiles> Luc: Will URL for PROV-DM provenance file be that above?
17:03:27 <GK> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/prov-dm.ttl    ??
17:03:31 <tlebo> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/prov-dm (no extension) with conneg to the serialization
17:03:52 <pgroth> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/provenance/prov-dm
17:03:54 <pgroth> q+
17:03:55 <dgarijo> prov-dm-prov? :D
17:04:17 <TomDN> +1 for http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/provenance/prov-dm
17:04:26 <GK> +1 drop .ttl
17:04:37 <tlebo> +1 for http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/provenance/prov-dm
17:04:40 <smiles> pgroth: Agree with Tim that drop file extension and have content negotiation and add /provenance/ subdirectory
17:04:49 <dgarijo> +1 for http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/provenance/prov-dm
17:05:01 <smiles> Luc: Works well, can point to Mercurial directory /provenance
17:05:34 <Luc> q?
17:05:39 <Luc> ack pg
17:05:40 <pgroth> ack pgroth
17:05:41 <tlebo> can we put the provenance files in the exsisting 'ontology', 'model" directory?
17:05:48 <Luc> Topic: prov-aq
17:06:19 <GK> FWIW, I'm happy to
17:06:41 <Luc> q?
17:06:41 <GK> … to push ahead with edits then discuss when available.
17:06:47 <Zakim> -Satya_Sahoo
17:06:49 <Luc> q?
17:06:57 <smiles> pgroth: Discussions we need to have on PROV-AQ are elaborate, and given earlier agreement, so delay to next week
17:07:19 <smiles> Luc: Next week, vote on release all documents (except PROV-AQ by email)
17:07:20 <TomDN> bye!
17:07:20 <khalidBelhajjame> bye
17:07:21 <Zakim> -tlebo
17:07:22 <dgarijo> bbye
17:07:23 <GK> Bye
17:07:24 <SamCoppens> Bye!
17:07:25 <smiles> OK, thanks
17:07:26 <Zakim> -TomDN
17:07:26 <Luc> q?
17:07:27 <Zakim> -khalidBelhajjame
17:07:27 <Zakim> -ivan
17:07:28 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
17:07:28 <Zakim> -TallTed
17:07:29 <Zakim> -dgarijo
17:07:29 <Zakim> -jcheney
17:07:31 <SamCoppens> SamCoppens has left #prov
17:07:32 <Zakim> -smiles
17:07:35 <Zakim> -Luc
17:07:49 <Zakim> -GK
17:07:50 <Zakim> SW_(PROV)11:00AM has ended
17:07:50 <Zakim> Attendees were smiles, Luc, Curt_Tilmes, TallTed, [IPcaller], +1.315.330.aabb, tlebo, GK, ivan, +1.818.731.aacc, khalidBelhajjame, TomDN, Satya_Sahoo, dgarijo, jcheney, SamCoppens
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