IRC log of rd on 2013-02-20

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14:30:06 [sharper]

zakim, please clear the agenda

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RRSAgent, make logs world

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Zakim, this will be 7394

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ok, trackbot; I see WAI_RDWG()9:30AM scheduled to start now

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Meeting: Research and Development Working Group Teleconference

14:30:11 [trackbot]

Date: 20 February 2013

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Chair: Harper_Simon

14:30:31 [sharper]

Agenda+ Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments) [sharper]

14:30:32 [sharper]

Agenda+ Metrics W3C Note Status (5m) [shadi]

14:30:32 [sharper]

Agenda+ Mobile W3C Note Status (5m) [sharper]

14:30:33 [Zakim]

WAI_RDWG()9:30AM has now started

14:30:33 [sharper]

Agenda+ Text Customisation W3C Note Status (5m) [shawn/david]

14:30:33 [sharper]

Agenda+ Easy to Read W3C Note Status (5m) [klaus]

14:30:33 [sharper]

Agenda+ Next Topics to the WAI CG (10m) [all]

14:30:33 [sharper]

Agenda+ RDWG F2F at W4A 2013 (10m) [vivienne]

14:30:34 [sharper]

Agenda+ New Layouts and progress in moving to this style (5m) [shawn]

14:30:34 [sharper]

Agenda+ Issues and Actions (Standing Item): https://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/tracker/ [sharper]

14:30:34 [sharper]

Agenda+ Any Other Business (Standing Item) [sharper]

14:30:38 [sharper]

zakim, save agenda

14:30:44 [sharper]

zakim, take up item 1

14:30:45 [Zakim]

ok, sharper, the agenda has been written to http://www.w3.org/2013/02/20-rd-agenda.rdf

14:30:47 [Zakim]

agendum 1. "Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments)" taken up [from sharper]

14:30:47 [Zakim]

+[IPcaller]

14:30:55 [sharper]

regrets, Yeliz, Peter, Giogio, Merkku

14:31:09 [sharper]

s/Giogio/Giorgio

14:31:09 [Zakim]

+??P6

14:31:17 [markel]

zakim, ??P6 is me

14:31:17 [Zakim]

+markel; got it

14:31:18 [annika]

annika has joined #rd

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<http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/scribes>

14:31:31 [Zakim]

-[IPcaller]

14:31:57 [Zakim]

+??P5

14:32:12 [Zakim]

+Shadi

14:32:15 [Yehya]

Yehya has joined #rd

14:32:16 [christos]

christos has joined #rd

14:32:37 [annika]

zakim, ??P5 is me

14:32:37 [Zakim]

+annika; got it

14:32:44 [annika]

zakim, mute me

14:32:44 [Zakim]

annika should now be muted

14:32:46 [Zakim]

+??P9

14:33:11 [DaveS]

sorry, having difficulty joining the call

14:33:12 [Zakim]

+[IPcaller]

14:33:28 [Zakim]

+??P11

14:33:34 [sharper]

zakim, ??P11 is sharper

14:33:34 [Zakim]

+sharper; got it

14:33:41 [Yehya]

zakim, +??P9 is me

14:33:41 [Zakim]

sorry, Yehya, I do not recognize a party named '+??P9'

14:33:41 [Luz]

zakim, ??P11 is me

14:33:42 [Zakim]

I already had ??P11 as sharper, Luz

14:33:43 [Zakim]

+??P12

14:33:50 [Luz]

zakim, ??P12 is me

14:33:50 [Zakim]

+Luz; got it

14:34:06 [Zakim]

+??P13

14:34:10 [Yehya]

zakim, ??P9 is me

14:34:10 [Zakim]

+Yehya; got it

14:34:16 [sharper]

zakim, ??P11 is sharper

14:34:16 [Zakim]

I already had ??P11 as sharper, sharper

14:34:18 [christos]

zakim, ??P13 is me

14:34:18 [Zakim]

+christos; got it

14:34:19 [DaveS]

zakim, ??P13 is me

14:34:19 [Zakim]

I already had ??P13 as christos, DaveS

14:35:12 [sharper]

zakim, who is on the phone?

14:35:12 [Zakim]

On the phone I see markel, annika (muted), Shadi, Yehya, [IPcaller], sharper, Luz, christos

14:35:28 [sharper]

zakim, who is on the phone?

14:35:28 [Zakim]

On the phone I see markel, annika (muted), Shadi, Yehya, [IPcaller], sharper, Luz, christos

14:35:28 [christos]

zakim mute me

14:35:31 [sharper]

zakim, who is on the phone?

14:35:31 [Zakim]

On the phone I see markel, annika (muted), Shadi, Yehya, [IPcaller], sharper, Luz, christos

14:35:39 [sharper]

zakim, who is on the phone?

14:35:39 [Zakim]

On the phone I see markel, annika (muted), Shadi, Yehya, [IPcaller], sharper, Luz, christos

14:35:40 [Yehya]

zakim mute me

14:35:50 [Yehya]

zakim, mute me

14:35:50 [Zakim]

Yehya should now be muted

14:35:53 [christos]

zakim, mute me

14:35:53 [Zakim]

christos should now be muted

14:35:54 [sharper]

zakim, who is on the phone?

14:35:54 [Zakim]

On the phone I see markel, annika (muted), Shadi, Yehya (muted), [IPcaller], sharper, Luz, christos (muted)

14:35:56 [Vivienne]

Vivienne has joined #rd

14:36:12 [christos]

I just did

14:36:22 [Yehya]

zakim, unmute me

14:36:22 [Zakim]

Yehya should no longer be muted

14:36:29 [DaveS]

zakim, [IPcaller] is me

14:36:29 [Zakim]

+DaveS; got it

14:36:39 [DaveS]

zakim, mute me

14:36:39 [Zakim]

DaveS should now be muted

14:36:46 [sharper]

zakim, who is on the phone?

14:36:46 [Zakim]

On the phone I see markel, annika (muted), Shadi, Yehya, DaveS (muted), sharper, Luz, christos (muted)

14:37:37 [Luz]

I was 12

14:37:56 [Luz]

I am P12

14:38:03 [Yehya]

41#

14:38:17 [Zakim]

+[IPcaller]

14:38:22 [shadi]

zakim, luz is really DaveS

14:38:22 [shadi]

q- luz

14:38:22 [Zakim]

+DaveS; got it

14:38:30 [Vivienne]

zakim, IPcaller is me

14:38:30 [Zakim]

+Vivienne; got it

14:38:39 [DaveS]

zakim, mute me

14:38:39 [Zakim]

DaveS was already muted, DaveS

14:38:45 [Luz]

41#

14:38:53 [Vivienne]

zakim, mute me

14:38:53 [Zakim]

Vivienne should now be muted

14:38:54 [Zakim]

+[IPcaller]

14:39:08 [justin]

justin has joined #rd

14:39:16 [shadi]

zakim, who is on the phone?

14:39:16 [Zakim]

On the phone I see markel, annika (muted), Shadi, Yehya, DaveS (muted), sharper, DaveS.a, christos (muted), Vivienne (muted), [IPcaller]

14:39:51 [shadi]

zakim, daves.a is temp

14:39:51 [Zakim]

+temp; got it

14:40:00 [shadi]

zakim, daves is Luz

14:40:00 [Zakim]

+Luz; got it

14:40:19 [shadi]

zakim, temp is DaveS

14:40:19 [shadi]

zakim, who is on the phone?

14:40:19 [Zakim]

+DaveS; got it

14:40:20 [Zakim]

On the phone I see markel, annika (muted), Shadi, Yehya, Luz (muted), sharper, DaveS, christos (muted), Vivienne (muted), [IPcaller]

14:40:55 [DaveS]

q-

14:41:01 [shadi]

q- yehya

14:41:17 [justin]

zakim, IPcaller is me

14:41:17 [Zakim]

+justin; got it

14:41:37 [sharper]

- <http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/scribes>

14:42:32 [sharper]

ScribeNick: justin

14:42:59 [sharper]

zakim, close item 1

14:42:59 [Zakim]

agendum 1, Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments), closed

14:42:59 [sharper]

zakim, take up item 2

14:43:01 [Zakim]

I see 9 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

14:43:01 [Zakim]

2. Metrics W3C Note Status (5m) [from shadi via sharper]

14:43:01 [Zakim]

agendum 2. "Metrics W3C Note Status (5m) " taken up [from shadi via sharper]

14:43:29 [shadi]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/2011/metrics/note/ED-metrics-20121114.html

14:43:44 [shadi]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/2011/metrics/note/comments-20120830

14:44:24 [shadi]

http://services.w3.org/htmldiff?doc1=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2FTR%2F2012%2FWD-accessibility-metrics-report-20120830%2F&doc2=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2FWAI%2FRD%2F2011%2Fmetrics%2Fnote%2FED-metrics-20121114.html

14:44:51 [justin]

shadi puts up edited drafts of ED metrics

14:45:23 [justin]

simon asks markel to go through changes or whatever suites

14:45:41 [markel]

q+

14:45:44 [justin]

shadi gives some options as how to process the edited versions

14:46:09 [justin]

simon asks markel to go through the main comments for ~10 minutes or so

14:46:31 [justin]

markel thinks the most efficient way is to go through each comment of each author

14:47:15 [justin]

simon asks if we need to clode the 'open' status and if people will be commenting back to the open items

14:47:45 [justin]

shadi says yes, it is best practice and that people should responde to each comment (probably comment by comment)

14:48:04 [justin]

shadi feels that perhaps only discussing the comments defined as 'necessary'

14:48:30 [markel]

q+

14:48:31 [justin]

shadi says we need to agree on the responses to the comments

14:49:48 [justin]

simon says it should go out to the emai list rather than getting bogged down in this meeting - simon to send out email asking if which items need comment - aka 'out of scope'

14:49:52 [sharper]

ack mar

14:51:12 [shadi]

q+

14:51:12 [justin]

markel says that maybe this documents can be use as a response to the authors - sometimes the context may be lost - as comments do not line up with the document contents

14:51:18 [sharper]

ack shadi

14:51:20 [shadi]

ack me

14:52:27 [markel]

q+

14:52:36 [sharper]

ack mar

14:52:46 [justin]

shadi agree with markel - says we send a collective email as to 'how we respond to your comments' - the 'out of scope' comments need further explanation

14:53:15 [justin]

markel agrees with shadi and that the 'out of scope' needs explaining

14:53:34 [justin]

simon to send out email looking for comments on the responses to be sent from the group

14:53:52 [justin]

zakim, close item 2

14:53:52 [Zakim]

agendum 2, Metrics W3C Note Status (5m) , closed

14:53:53 [Zakim]

I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

14:53:53 [Zakim]

3. Mobile W3C Note Status (5m) [from sharper]

14:54:04 [justin]

zakim, take up item 3

14:54:04 [Zakim]

agendum 3. "Mobile W3C Note Status (5m) " taken up [from sharper]

14:54:56 [justin]

simon says progress is being made on mobile note

14:55:02 [justin]

no comments re mobile note

14:55:09 [DaveS]

zakim, unmute me

14:55:09 [Zakim]

DaveS was not muted, DaveS

14:55:10 [justin]

zakim, close item 3

14:55:10 [Zakim]

agendum 3, Mobile W3C Note Status (5m) , closed

14:55:11 [Zakim]

I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

14:55:11 [Zakim]

4. Text Customisation W3C Note Status (5m) [from shawn/david via sharper]

14:55:17 [justin]

zakim, take up item 4

14:55:17 [Zakim]

agendum 4. "Text Customisation W3C Note Status (5m) " taken up [from shawn/david via sharper]

14:56:07 [justin]

no comments on text customisation note

14:56:11 [DaveS]

zakim, mute me

14:56:11 [Zakim]

DaveS should now be muted

14:56:13 [justin]

zakim, close item 4

14:56:13 [Zakim]

agendum 4, Text Customisation W3C Note Status (5m) , closed

14:56:14 [Zakim]

I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

14:56:14 [Zakim]

5. Easy to Read W3C Note Status (5m) [from klaus via sharper]

14:56:18 [sharper]

regrets+ silvia

14:56:18 [justin]

zakim, take up item 5

14:56:18 [Zakim]

agendum 5. "Easy to Read W3C Note Status (5m) " taken up [from klaus via sharper]

14:56:30 [justin]

silvia sends regrets

14:56:51 [justin]

klaus is not well and will be moving forward item 5 in a couple of weeks

14:57:12 [Zakim]

+Mark_Hakkinen

14:57:28 [justin]

shadi - have we got timelines on item 5

14:58:10 [justin]

simon checks email archives to see what klaus has said - 'going to work on it after csun' (next week)

14:58:38 [justin]

zakim, close item 5

14:58:38 [Zakim]

agendum 5, Easy to Read W3C Note Status (5m) , closed

14:58:39 [Zakim]

I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

14:58:39 [Zakim]

6. Next Topics to the WAI CG (10m) [from all via sharper]

14:58:45 [justin]

zakim, take up item 6

14:58:45 [Zakim]

agendum 6. "Next Topics to the WAI CG (10m)" taken up [from all via sharper]

14:59:35 [justin]

simon discusses the coordination group and will be meeting them tonight - sent through the topics - (asks shadi if it is open to everyone) - shadi says no

15:00:27 [sharper]

At last weeks RDWG meeting we decided to take forward three topics:

15:00:28 [sharper]

User Modelling

15:00:28 [sharper]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/User_modelling

15:00:28 [sharper]

Haptics and Smart Images

15:00:29 [sharper]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Smart_Images

15:00:29 [sharper]

Accessible Notification

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http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Accessible_Notifications

15:00:30 [sharper]

And we would now like to discuss these with the CG including their order

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- and timelines.

15:00:31 [sharper]

In addition, are there any candidates the CG thing may be more useful:

15:00:31 [sharper]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Research_Topics#Proposed_Research_Topics_.28in_Chronological_Order_of_Creation.29

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Finally, we are also looking to discuss Developing Regions (with the new

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India community group) and also accessible annotations (with the new

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open annotations community group). Indeed, could we move these two along

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in parallel to each other and our own work with some oversight by us but

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with editors from these community groups?

15:00:36 [justin]

simon adds list of topics

15:01:36 [justin]

markhu making adding content a priority

15:02:06 [justin]

simon discusses the three topics selected last week

15:02:46 [justin]

simon says we will soon have an idea of what topic will be focussed on in the upcoming symposia

15:03:08 [justin]

simon says no further comments on the topics (against at least)

15:04:33 [justin]

markhu discusses smart images and haptics and the sort of tie in between the topics

15:05:11 [justin]

zakim, close item 6

15:05:11 [Zakim]

agendum 6, Next Topics to the WAI CG (10m), closed

15:05:12 [Zakim]

I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

15:05:12 [Zakim]

7. RDWG F2F at W4A 2013 (10m) [from vivienne via sharper]

15:05:16 [justin]

zakim, take up item 7

15:05:16 [Zakim]

agendum 7. "RDWG F2F at W4A 2013 (10m)" taken up [from vivienne via sharper]

15:05:42 [Vivienne]

ack me

15:06:46 [markel]

q+

15:06:51 [Vivienne]

zakim, mute me

15:06:51 [Zakim]

Vivienne should now be muted

15:06:51 [sharper]

ack mark

15:06:52 [justin]

vivienne proposes meeting of RDWG group at W4A 2013 and pehaps get some work done together face to face

15:07:17 [shadi]

q+

15:07:22 [DaveS]

q+

15:07:43 [DaveS]

ack me

15:07:45 [sharper]

ack DaveS

15:07:46 [justin]

markel thinks this idea should go through the general chair of the W4A

15:08:03 [Luz]

I will be in Rio one month before W4A, so I offer to help in anything your need, such as local issues.

15:08:44 [Vivienne]

I'm happy to help in any way that I can

15:08:54 [shadi]

ack me

15:08:55 [sharper]

Ackshadi

15:08:58 [sharper]

ack shad

15:08:58 [justin]

Dave agrees that such an event should take place, as organised by the general chairs

15:10:58 [justin]

shadi supports informal gathering, but does not want to add the the workload of the general chairs - question of whether there will be sufficient people to have a F2F and maybe find rooms to accomodate the group

15:11:15 [justin]

shadi suggests survey to find out who is going

15:11:56 [justin]

shadi feels there are multiple deliverables that we could work on as a group in a F2F meeting

15:12:08 [justin]

shadi to put up a WBS

15:12:11 [Vivienne]

yup

15:12:23 [Vivienne]

yes he is

15:12:34 [Luz]

Yes

15:12:38 [Luz]

I will be there before

15:12:47 [Luz]

so i can help

15:12:49 [annika]

ack me

15:13:05 [christos]

unfortunately... no

15:13:12 [annika]

zakim, mute me

15:13:12 [Zakim]

annika should now be muted

15:13:25 [DaveS]

zakim, mute me

15:13:25 [Zakim]

DaveS should now be muted

15:13:39 [markel]

Giorgio should be going too

15:14:00 [justin]

shadi asks if W4A is 3 days this year

15:14:06 [Luz]

q+

15:14:13 [Luz]

Zakim, unmute me

15:14:13 [Zakim]

Luz should no longer be muted

15:14:15 [sharper]

ack luz

15:14:18 [justin]

simon says that perhaps thursday woud be a good day to meet

15:14:32 [markel]

beer

15:14:40 [justin]

lots of it!!!!!1

15:14:48 [markel]

:-)

15:15:01 [Luz]

Zakim, mute me

15:15:01 [Zakim]

Luz should now be muted

15:15:30 [markel]

what about SLH?

15:16:39 [markel]

q+

15:17:12 [Luz]

Me netiher

15:17:18 [sharper]

Ack mar

15:17:52 [DaveS]

I would support the proposal of a F2F meeting on Thursday after W4A

15:17:57 [justin]

markel wonders if we can squeeze the meeting into the wednesday of the W4A

15:18:31 [justin]

simon proposes smaller meetings of part time wednesday and thursday

15:19:19 [justin]

shadi says 2 full days gets better work done

15:19:50 [justin]

simon says that the sruvey should cover the options that people prefer for the meeting

15:20:53 [justin]

simon raised layout and styles but shawn not available

15:21:00 [justin]

any other business raised

15:22:03 [Luz]

See you!

15:22:03 [Zakim]

-Mark_Hakkinen

15:22:03 [Vivienne]

good night all

15:22:04 [christos]

good bye

15:22:05 [annika]

bye

15:22:06 [DaveS]

thankyou, bye!

15:22:08 [Zakim]

-markel

15:22:09 [Zakim]

-Yehya

15:22:11 [markel]

markel has left #rd

15:22:11 [Zakim]

-annika

15:22:12 [sharper]

sharper has left #rd

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-christos

15:22:16 [Zakim]

-sharper

15:22:17 [Zakim]

-Luz

15:22:18 [Zakim]

-Vivienne

15:22:19 [shadi]

trackbot, end meeting

15:22:19 [trackbot]

Zakim, list attendees

15:22:20 [Zakim]

As of this point the attendees have been markel, Shadi, annika, sharper, Yehya, christos, Vivienne, Luz, DaveS, justin, Mark_Hakkinen

15:22:20 [Zakim]

-DaveS

15:22:22 [Zakim]

-Shadi

15:22:26 [Zakim]

-justin

15:22:27 [trackbot]

RRSAgent, please draft minutes

15:22:27 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/20-rd-minutes.html trackbot

15:22:28 [trackbot]

RRSAgent, bye

15:22:28 [RRSAgent]

I see no action items

15:22:28 [Zakim]

WAI_RDWG()9:30AM has ended

15:22:28 [Zakim]

Attendees were markel, Shadi, annika, sharper, Yehya, christos, Vivienne, Luz, DaveS, justin, Mark_Hakkinen