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14:30:06 <sharper> zakim, please clear the agenda
14:30:08 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
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14:30:10 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 7394
14:30:10 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_RDWG()9:30AM scheduled to start now
14:30:11 <trackbot> Meeting: Research and Development Working Group Teleconference
14:30:11 <trackbot> Date: 20 February 2013
14:30:31 <sharper> Chair: Harper_Simon
14:30:31 <sharper> Agenda+ Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments) [sharper]
14:30:32 <sharper> Agenda+ Metrics W3C Note Status (5m)  [shadi]
14:30:32 <sharper> Agenda+ Mobile W3C Note Status (5m)  [sharper]
14:30:33 <Zakim> WAI_RDWG()9:30AM has now started
14:30:33 <sharper> Agenda+ Text Customisation W3C Note Status (5m)  [shawn/david]
14:30:33 <sharper> Agenda+ Easy to Read W3C Note Status (5m)  [klaus]
14:30:33 <sharper> Agenda+ Next Topics to the WAI CG (10m) [all]
14:30:33 <sharper> Agenda+ RDWG F2F at W4A 2013 (10m) [vivienne]
14:30:34 <sharper> Agenda+ New Layouts and progress in moving to this style (5m)  [shawn]
14:30:34 <sharper> Agenda+ Issues and Actions (Standing Item): https://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/tracker/ [sharper]
14:30:34 <sharper> Agenda+ Any Other Business (Standing Item) [sharper]
14:30:38 <sharper> zakim, save agenda
14:30:44 <sharper> zakim, take up item 1
14:30:45 <Zakim> ok, sharper, the agenda has been written to http://www.w3.org/2013/02/20-rd-agenda.rdf
14:30:47 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments)" taken up [from sharper]
14:30:47 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:30:55 <sharper> regrets, Yeliz, Peter, Giogio, Merkku
14:31:09 <sharper> s/Giogio/Giorgio
14:31:09 <Zakim> +??P6
14:31:17 <markel> zakim, ??P6 is me
14:31:17 <Zakim> +markel; got it
14:31:18 <annika> annika has joined #rd
14:31:22 <sharper> <http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/scribes>
14:31:31 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
14:31:57 <Zakim> +??P5
14:32:12 <Zakim> +Shadi
14:32:15 <Yehya> Yehya has joined #rd
14:32:16 <christos> christos has joined #rd
14:32:37 <annika> zakim, ??P5 is me
14:32:37 <Zakim> +annika; got it
14:32:44 <annika> zakim, mute me
14:32:44 <Zakim> annika should now be muted
14:32:46 <Zakim> +??P9
14:33:11 <DaveS> sorry, having difficulty joining the call
14:33:12 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:33:28 <Zakim> +??P11
14:33:34 <sharper> zakim, ??P11 is sharper
14:33:34 <Zakim> +sharper; got it
14:33:41 <Yehya> zakim, +??P9 is me
14:33:41 <Zakim> sorry, Yehya, I do not recognize a party named '+??P9'
14:33:41 <Luz> zakim, ??P11 is me
14:33:42 <Zakim> I already had ??P11 as sharper, Luz
14:33:43 <Zakim> +??P12
14:33:50 <Luz> zakim, ??P12 is me
14:33:50 <Zakim> +Luz; got it
14:34:06 <Zakim> +??P13
14:34:10 <Yehya> zakim, ??P9 is me
14:34:10 <Zakim> +Yehya; got it
14:34:16 <sharper> zakim, ??P11 is sharper
14:34:16 <Zakim> I already had ??P11 as sharper, sharper
14:34:18 <christos> zakim, ??P13 is me
14:34:18 <Zakim> +christos; got it
14:34:19 <DaveS> zakim, ??P13 is me
14:34:19 <Zakim> I already had ??P13 as christos, DaveS
14:35:12 <sharper> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:35:12 <Zakim> On the phone I see markel, annika (muted), Shadi, Yehya, [IPcaller], sharper, Luz, christos
14:35:28 <sharper> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:35:28 <Zakim> On the phone I see markel, annika (muted), Shadi, Yehya, [IPcaller], sharper, Luz, christos
14:35:28 <christos> zakim mute me
14:35:31 <sharper> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:35:31 <Zakim> On the phone I see markel, annika (muted), Shadi, Yehya, [IPcaller], sharper, Luz, christos
14:35:39 <sharper> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:35:39 <Zakim> On the phone I see markel, annika (muted), Shadi, Yehya, [IPcaller], sharper, Luz, christos
14:35:40 <Yehya> zakim mute me
14:35:50 <Yehya> zakim, mute me
14:35:50 <Zakim> Yehya should now be muted
14:35:53 <christos> zakim, mute me
14:35:53 <Zakim> christos should now be muted
14:35:54 <sharper> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:35:54 <Zakim> On the phone I see markel, annika (muted), Shadi, Yehya (muted), [IPcaller], sharper, Luz, christos (muted)
14:35:56 <Vivienne> Vivienne has joined #rd
14:36:12 <christos> I just did
14:36:22 <Yehya> zakim, unmute me
14:36:22 <Zakim> Yehya should no longer be muted
14:36:29 <DaveS> zakim, [IPcaller] is me
14:36:29 <Zakim> +DaveS; got it
14:36:39 <DaveS> zakim, mute me
14:36:39 <Zakim> DaveS should now be muted
14:36:46 <sharper> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:36:46 <Zakim> On the phone I see markel, annika (muted), Shadi, Yehya, DaveS (muted), sharper, Luz, christos (muted)
14:37:37 <Luz> I was 12
14:37:56 <Luz> I am P12
14:38:03 <Yehya> 41#
14:38:17 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:38:22 <shadi> zakim, luz is really DaveS
14:38:22 <shadi> q- luz
14:38:22 <Zakim> +DaveS; got it
14:38:30 <Vivienne> zakim, IPcaller is me
14:38:30 <Zakim> +Vivienne; got it
14:38:39 <DaveS> zakim, mute me
14:38:39 <Zakim> DaveS was already muted, DaveS
14:38:45 <Luz> 41#
14:38:53 <Vivienne> zakim, mute me
14:38:53 <Zakim> Vivienne should now be muted
14:38:54 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:39:08 <justin> justin has joined #rd
14:39:16 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:39:16 <Zakim> On the phone I see markel, annika (muted), Shadi, Yehya, DaveS (muted), sharper, DaveS.a, christos (muted), Vivienne (muted), [IPcaller]
14:39:51 <shadi> zakim, daves.a is temp
14:39:51 <Zakim> +temp; got it
14:40:00 <shadi> zakim, daves is Luz
14:40:00 <Zakim> +Luz; got it
14:40:19 <shadi> zakim, temp is DaveS
14:40:19 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:40:19 <Zakim> +DaveS; got it
14:40:20 <Zakim> On the phone I see markel, annika (muted), Shadi, Yehya, Luz (muted), sharper, DaveS, christos (muted), Vivienne (muted), [IPcaller]
14:40:55 <DaveS> q-
14:41:01 <shadi> q- yehya
14:41:17 <justin> zakim, IPcaller is me
14:41:17 <Zakim> +justin; got it
14:41:37 <sharper>  - <http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/scribes>
14:42:32 <sharper> ScribeNick: justin
14:42:59 <sharper> zakim, close item 1
14:42:59 <Zakim> agendum 1, Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments), closed
14:42:59 <sharper> zakim, take up item 2
14:43:01 <Zakim> I see 9 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:43:01 <Zakim> 2. Metrics W3C Note Status (5m)  [from shadi via sharper]
14:43:01 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Metrics W3C Note Status (5m) " taken up [from shadi via sharper]
14:43:29 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/2011/metrics/note/ED-metrics-20121114.html
14:43:44 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/2011/metrics/note/comments-20120830
14:44:24 <shadi> http://services.w3.org/htmldiff?doc1=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2FTR%2F2012%2FWD-accessibility-metrics-report-20120830%2F&doc2=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2FWAI%2FRD%2F2011%2Fmetrics%2Fnote%2FED-metrics-20121114.html
14:44:51 <justin> shadi puts up edited drafts of ED metrics
14:45:23 <justin> simon asks markel to go through changes or whatever suites
14:45:41 <markel> q+
14:45:44 <justin> shadi gives some options as how to process the edited versions
14:46:09 <justin> simon asks markel to go through the main comments for ~10 minutes or so
14:46:31 <justin> markel thinks the most efficient way is to go through each comment of each author
14:47:15 <justin> simon asks if we need to clode the 'open' status and if people will be commenting back to the open items
14:47:45 <justin> shadi says yes, it is best practice and that people should responde to each comment (probably comment by comment)
14:48:04 <justin> shadi feels that perhaps only discussing the comments defined as 'necessary'
14:48:30 <markel> q+
14:48:31 <justin> shadi says we need to agree on the responses to the comments
14:49:48 <justin> simon says it should go out to the emai list rather than getting bogged down in this meeting - simon to send out email asking if which items need comment - aka 'out of scope'
14:49:52 <sharper> ack mar
14:51:12 <shadi> q+
14:51:12 <justin> markel says that maybe this documents can be use as a response to the authors - sometimes the context may be lost - as comments do not line up with the document contents
14:51:18 <sharper> ack shadi
14:51:20 <shadi> ack me
14:52:27 <markel> q+
14:52:36 <sharper> ack mar
14:52:46 <justin> shadi agree with markel - says we send a collective email as to 'how we respond to your comments' - the 'out of scope' comments need further explanation
14:53:15 <justin> markel agrees with shadi and that the 'out of scope' needs explaining
14:53:34 <justin> simon to send out email looking for comments on the responses to be sent from the group
14:53:52 <justin> zakim, close item 2
14:53:52 <Zakim> agendum 2, Metrics W3C Note Status (5m) , closed
14:53:53 <Zakim> I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:53:53 <Zakim> 3. Mobile W3C Note Status (5m)  [from sharper]
14:54:04 <justin> zakim, take up item 3
14:54:04 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Mobile W3C Note Status (5m) " taken up [from sharper]
14:54:56 <justin> simon says progress is being made on mobile note
14:55:02 <justin> no comments re mobile note
14:55:09 <DaveS> zakim, unmute me
14:55:09 <Zakim> DaveS was not muted, DaveS
14:55:10 <justin> zakim, close item 3
14:55:10 <Zakim> agendum 3, Mobile W3C Note Status (5m) , closed
14:55:11 <Zakim> I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:55:11 <Zakim> 4. Text Customisation W3C Note Status (5m)  [from shawn/david via sharper]
14:55:17 <justin> zakim, take up item 4
14:55:17 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Text Customisation W3C Note Status (5m) " taken up [from shawn/david via sharper]
14:56:07 <justin> no comments on text customisation note
14:56:11 <DaveS> zakim, mute me
14:56:11 <Zakim> DaveS should now be muted
14:56:13 <justin> zakim, close item 4
14:56:13 <Zakim> agendum 4, Text Customisation W3C Note Status (5m) , closed
14:56:14 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:56:14 <Zakim> 5. Easy to Read W3C Note Status (5m)  [from klaus via sharper]
14:56:18 <sharper> regrets+ silvia
14:56:18 <justin> zakim, take up item 5
14:56:18 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Easy to Read W3C Note Status (5m) " taken up [from klaus via sharper]
14:56:30 <justin> silvia sends regrets
14:56:51 <justin> klaus is not well and will be moving forward item 5 in a couple of weeks
14:57:12 <Zakim> +Mark_Hakkinen
14:57:28 <justin> shadi - have we got timelines on item 5
14:58:10 <justin> simon checks email archives to see what klaus has said - 'going to work on it after csun' (next week)
14:58:38 <justin> zakim, close item 5
14:58:38 <Zakim> agendum 5, Easy to Read W3C Note Status (5m) , closed
14:58:39 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:58:39 <Zakim> 6. Next Topics to the WAI CG (10m) [from all via sharper]
14:58:45 <justin> zakim, take up item 6
14:58:45 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Next Topics to the WAI CG (10m)" taken up [from all via sharper]
14:59:35 <justin> simon discusses the coordination group and will be meeting them tonight - sent through the topics - (asks shadi if it is open to everyone) - shadi says no
15:00:27 <sharper> At last weeks RDWG meeting we decided to take forward three topics:
15:00:28 <sharper> User Modelling
15:00:28 <sharper> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/User_modelling
15:00:28 <sharper> Haptics and Smart Images
15:00:29 <sharper> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Smart_Images
15:00:29 <sharper> Accessible Notification
15:00:30 <sharper> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Accessible_Notifications
15:00:30 <sharper> And we would now like to discuss these with the CG including their order
15:00:30 <sharper> - and timelines.
15:00:31 <sharper> In addition, are there any candidates the CG thing may be more useful:
15:00:31 <sharper> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Research_Topics#Proposed_Research_Topics_.28in_Chronological_Order_of_Creation.29
15:00:31 <sharper> Finally, we are also looking to discuss Developing Regions (with the new
15:00:32 <sharper> India community group) and also accessible annotations (with the new
15:00:32 <sharper> open annotations community group). Indeed, could we move these two along
15:00:32 <sharper> in parallel to each other and our own work with some oversight by us but
15:00:32 <sharper> with editors from these community groups?
15:00:36 <justin> simon adds list of topics
15:01:36 <justin> markhu making adding content a priority
15:02:06 <justin> simon discusses the three topics selected last week
15:02:46 <justin> simon says we will soon have an idea of what topic will be focussed on in the upcoming symposia
15:03:08 <justin> simon says no further comments on the topics (against at least)
15:04:33 <justin> markhu discusses smart images and haptics and the sort of tie in between the topics
15:05:11 <justin> zakim, close item 6
15:05:11 <Zakim> agendum 6, Next Topics to the WAI CG (10m), closed
15:05:12 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:05:12 <Zakim> 7. RDWG F2F at W4A 2013 (10m) [from vivienne via sharper]
15:05:16 <justin> zakim, take up item 7
15:05:16 <Zakim> agendum 7. "RDWG F2F at W4A 2013 (10m)" taken up [from vivienne via sharper]
15:05:42 <Vivienne> ack me
15:06:46 <markel> q+
15:06:51 <Vivienne> zakim, mute me
15:06:51 <Zakim> Vivienne should now be muted
15:06:51 <sharper> ack mark
15:06:52 <justin> vivienne proposes meeting of RDWG group at W4A 2013 and pehaps get some work done together face to face
15:07:17 <shadi> q+
15:07:22 <DaveS> q+
15:07:43 <DaveS> ack me
15:07:45 <sharper> ack DaveS
15:07:46 <justin> markel thinks this idea should go through the general chair of the W4A
15:08:03 <Luz> I will be in Rio one month before W4A, so I offer to help in anything your need, such as local issues.
15:08:44 <Vivienne> I'm happy to help in any way that I can
15:08:54 <shadi> ack me
15:08:55 <sharper> Ackshadi
15:08:58 <sharper> ack shad
15:08:58 <justin> Dave agrees that such an event should take place, as organised by the general chairs
15:10:58 <justin> shadi supports informal gathering, but does not want to add the the workload of the general chairs - question of whether there will be sufficient people to have a F2F and maybe find rooms to accomodate the group
15:11:15 <justin> shadi suggests survey to find out who is going
15:11:56 <justin> shadi feels there are multiple deliverables that we could work on as a group in a F2F meeting
15:12:08 <justin> shadi to put up a WBS
15:12:11 <Vivienne> yup
15:12:23 <Vivienne> yes he is
15:12:34 <Luz> Yes
15:12:38 <Luz> I will be there before
15:12:47 <Luz> so i can help
15:12:49 <annika> ack me
15:13:05 <christos> unfortunately... no
15:13:12 <annika> zakim, mute me
15:13:12 <Zakim> annika should now be muted
15:13:25 <DaveS> zakim, mute me
15:13:25 <Zakim> DaveS should now be muted
15:13:39 <markel> Giorgio should be going too
15:14:00 <justin> shadi asks if W4A is 3 days this year
15:14:06 <Luz> q+
15:14:13 <Luz> Zakim, unmute me
15:14:13 <Zakim> Luz should no longer be muted
15:14:15 <sharper> ack luz
15:14:18 <justin> simon says that perhaps thursday woud be a good day to meet
15:14:32 <markel> beer
15:14:40 <justin> lots of it!!!!!1
15:14:48 <markel> :-)
15:15:01 <Luz> Zakim, mute me
15:15:01 <Zakim> Luz should now be muted
15:15:30 <markel> what about SLH?
15:16:39 <markel> q+
15:17:12 <Luz> Me netiher
15:17:18 <sharper> Ack mar
15:17:52 <DaveS> I would support the proposal of a F2F meeting on Thursday after W4A
15:17:57 <justin> markel wonders if we can squeeze the meeting into the wednesday of the W4A
15:18:31 <justin> simon proposes smaller meetings of part time wednesday and thursday
15:19:19 <justin> shadi says 2 full days gets better work done
15:19:50 <justin> simon says that the sruvey should cover the options that people prefer for the meeting
15:20:53 <justin> simon raised layout and styles but shawn not available
15:21:00 <justin> any other business raised
15:22:03 <Luz> See you!
15:22:03 <Zakim> -Mark_Hakkinen
15:22:03 <Vivienne> good night all
15:22:04 <christos> good bye
15:22:05 <annika> bye
15:22:06 <DaveS> thankyou, bye!
15:22:08 <Zakim> -markel
15:22:09 <Zakim> -Yehya
15:22:11 <markel> markel has left #rd
15:22:11 <Zakim> -annika
15:22:12 <sharper> sharper has left #rd
15:22:14 <Zakim> -christos
15:22:16 <Zakim> -sharper
15:22:17 <Zakim> -Luz
15:22:18 <Zakim> -Vivienne
15:22:19 <shadi> trackbot, end meeting
15:22:19 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
15:22:20 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been markel, Shadi, annika, sharper, Yehya, christos, Vivienne, Luz, DaveS, justin, Mark_Hakkinen
15:22:20 <Zakim> -DaveS
15:22:22 <Zakim> -Shadi
15:22:26 <Zakim> -justin
15:22:27 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:22:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/20-rd-minutes.html trackbot
15:22:28 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
15:22:28 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
15:22:28 <Zakim> WAI_RDWG()9:30AM has ended
15:22:28 <Zakim> Attendees were markel, Shadi, annika, sharper, Yehya, christos, Vivienne, Luz, DaveS, justin, Mark_Hakkinen