IRC log of rd on 2013-02-20

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14:30:06 [sharper]
zakim, please clear the agenda
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RRSAgent, make logs world
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Zakim, this will be 7394
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ok, trackbot; I see WAI_RDWG()9:30AM scheduled to start now
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Meeting: Research and Development Working Group Teleconference
14:30:11 [trackbot]
Date: 20 February 2013
14:30:31 [sharper]
Chair: Harper_Simon
14:30:31 [sharper]
Agenda+ Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments) [sharper]
14:30:32 [sharper]
Agenda+ Metrics W3C Note Status (5m) [shadi]
14:30:32 [sharper]
Agenda+ Mobile W3C Note Status (5m) [sharper]
14:30:33 [Zakim]
WAI_RDWG()9:30AM has now started
14:30:33 [sharper]
Agenda+ Text Customisation W3C Note Status (5m) [shawn/david]
14:30:33 [sharper]
Agenda+ Easy to Read W3C Note Status (5m) [klaus]
14:30:33 [sharper]
Agenda+ Next Topics to the WAI CG (10m) [all]
14:30:33 [sharper]
Agenda+ RDWG F2F at W4A 2013 (10m) [vivienne]
14:30:34 [sharper]
Agenda+ New Layouts and progress in moving to this style (5m) [shawn]
14:30:34 [sharper]
Agenda+ Issues and Actions (Standing Item): https://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/tracker/ [sharper]
14:30:34 [sharper]
Agenda+ Any Other Business (Standing Item) [sharper]
14:30:38 [sharper]
zakim, save agenda
14:30:44 [sharper]
zakim, take up item 1
14:30:45 [Zakim]
ok, sharper, the agenda has been written to http://www.w3.org/2013/02/20-rd-agenda.rdf
14:30:47 [Zakim]
agendum 1. "Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments)" taken up [from sharper]
14:30:47 [Zakim]
+[IPcaller]
14:30:55 [sharper]
regrets, Yeliz, Peter, Giogio, Merkku
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s/Giogio/Giorgio
14:31:09 [Zakim]
+??P6
14:31:17 [markel]
zakim, ??P6 is me
14:31:17 [Zakim]
+markel; got it
14:31:18 [annika]
annika has joined #rd
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<http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/scribes>
14:31:31 [Zakim]
-[IPcaller]
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+??P5
14:32:12 [Zakim]
+Shadi
14:32:15 [Yehya]
Yehya has joined #rd
14:32:16 [christos]
christos has joined #rd
14:32:37 [annika]
zakim, ??P5 is me
14:32:37 [Zakim]
+annika; got it
14:32:44 [annika]
zakim, mute me
14:32:44 [Zakim]
annika should now be muted
14:32:46 [Zakim]
+??P9
14:33:11 [DaveS]
sorry, having difficulty joining the call
14:33:12 [Zakim]
+[IPcaller]
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+??P11
14:33:34 [sharper]
zakim, ??P11 is sharper
14:33:34 [Zakim]
+sharper; got it
14:33:41 [Yehya]
zakim, +??P9 is me
14:33:41 [Zakim]
sorry, Yehya, I do not recognize a party named '+??P9'
14:33:41 [Luz]
zakim, ??P11 is me
14:33:42 [Zakim]
I already had ??P11 as sharper, Luz
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+??P12
14:33:50 [Luz]
zakim, ??P12 is me
14:33:50 [Zakim]
+Luz; got it
14:34:06 [Zakim]
+??P13
14:34:10 [Yehya]
zakim, ??P9 is me
14:34:10 [Zakim]
+Yehya; got it
14:34:16 [sharper]
zakim, ??P11 is sharper
14:34:16 [Zakim]
I already had ??P11 as sharper, sharper
14:34:18 [christos]
zakim, ??P13 is me
14:34:18 [Zakim]
+christos; got it
14:34:19 [DaveS]
zakim, ??P13 is me
14:34:19 [Zakim]
I already had ??P13 as christos, DaveS
14:35:12 [sharper]
zakim, who is on the phone?
14:35:12 [Zakim]
On the phone I see markel, annika (muted), Shadi, Yehya, [IPcaller], sharper, Luz, christos
14:35:28 [sharper]
zakim, who is on the phone?
14:35:28 [Zakim]
On the phone I see markel, annika (muted), Shadi, Yehya, [IPcaller], sharper, Luz, christos
14:35:28 [christos]
zakim mute me
14:35:31 [sharper]
zakim, who is on the phone?
14:35:31 [Zakim]
On the phone I see markel, annika (muted), Shadi, Yehya, [IPcaller], sharper, Luz, christos
14:35:39 [sharper]
zakim, who is on the phone?
14:35:39 [Zakim]
On the phone I see markel, annika (muted), Shadi, Yehya, [IPcaller], sharper, Luz, christos
14:35:40 [Yehya]
zakim mute me
14:35:50 [Yehya]
zakim, mute me
14:35:50 [Zakim]
Yehya should now be muted
14:35:53 [christos]
zakim, mute me
14:35:53 [Zakim]
christos should now be muted
14:35:54 [sharper]
zakim, who is on the phone?
14:35:54 [Zakim]
On the phone I see markel, annika (muted), Shadi, Yehya (muted), [IPcaller], sharper, Luz, christos (muted)
14:35:56 [Vivienne]
Vivienne has joined #rd
14:36:12 [christos]
I just did
14:36:22 [Yehya]
zakim, unmute me
14:36:22 [Zakim]
Yehya should no longer be muted
14:36:29 [DaveS]
zakim, [IPcaller] is me
14:36:29 [Zakim]
+DaveS; got it
14:36:39 [DaveS]
zakim, mute me
14:36:39 [Zakim]
DaveS should now be muted
14:36:46 [sharper]
zakim, who is on the phone?
14:36:46 [Zakim]
On the phone I see markel, annika (muted), Shadi, Yehya, DaveS (muted), sharper, Luz, christos (muted)
14:37:37 [Luz]
I was 12
14:37:56 [Luz]
I am P12
14:38:03 [Yehya]
41#
14:38:17 [Zakim]
+[IPcaller]
14:38:22 [shadi]
zakim, luz is really DaveS
14:38:22 [shadi]
q- luz
14:38:22 [Zakim]
+DaveS; got it
14:38:30 [Vivienne]
zakim, IPcaller is me
14:38:30 [Zakim]
+Vivienne; got it
14:38:39 [DaveS]
zakim, mute me
14:38:39 [Zakim]
DaveS was already muted, DaveS
14:38:45 [Luz]
41#
14:38:53 [Vivienne]
zakim, mute me
14:38:53 [Zakim]
Vivienne should now be muted
14:38:54 [Zakim]
+[IPcaller]
14:39:08 [justin]
justin has joined #rd
14:39:16 [shadi]
zakim, who is on the phone?
14:39:16 [Zakim]
On the phone I see markel, annika (muted), Shadi, Yehya, DaveS (muted), sharper, DaveS.a, christos (muted), Vivienne (muted), [IPcaller]
14:39:51 [shadi]
zakim, daves.a is temp
14:39:51 [Zakim]
+temp; got it
14:40:00 [shadi]
zakim, daves is Luz
14:40:00 [Zakim]
+Luz; got it
14:40:19 [shadi]
zakim, temp is DaveS
14:40:19 [shadi]
zakim, who is on the phone?
14:40:19 [Zakim]
+DaveS; got it
14:40:20 [Zakim]
On the phone I see markel, annika (muted), Shadi, Yehya, Luz (muted), sharper, DaveS, christos (muted), Vivienne (muted), [IPcaller]
14:40:55 [DaveS]
q-
14:41:01 [shadi]
q- yehya
14:41:17 [justin]
zakim, IPcaller is me
14:41:17 [Zakim]
+justin; got it
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- <http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/scribes>
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ScribeNick: justin
14:42:59 [sharper]
zakim, close item 1
14:42:59 [Zakim]
agendum 1, Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments), closed
14:42:59 [sharper]
zakim, take up item 2
14:43:01 [Zakim]
I see 9 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:43:01 [Zakim]
2. Metrics W3C Note Status (5m) [from shadi via sharper]
14:43:01 [Zakim]
agendum 2. "Metrics W3C Note Status (5m) " taken up [from shadi via sharper]
14:43:29 [shadi]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/2011/metrics/note/ED-metrics-20121114.html
14:43:44 [shadi]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/2011/metrics/note/comments-20120830
14:44:24 [shadi]
http://services.w3.org/htmldiff?doc1=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2FTR%2F2012%2FWD-accessibility-metrics-report-20120830%2F&doc2=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2FWAI%2FRD%2F2011%2Fmetrics%2Fnote%2FED-metrics-20121114.html
14:44:51 [justin]
shadi puts up edited drafts of ED metrics
14:45:23 [justin]
simon asks markel to go through changes or whatever suites
14:45:41 [markel]
q+
14:45:44 [justin]
shadi gives some options as how to process the edited versions
14:46:09 [justin]
simon asks markel to go through the main comments for ~10 minutes or so
14:46:31 [justin]
markel thinks the most efficient way is to go through each comment of each author
14:47:15 [justin]
simon asks if we need to clode the 'open' status and if people will be commenting back to the open items
14:47:45 [justin]
shadi says yes, it is best practice and that people should responde to each comment (probably comment by comment)
14:48:04 [justin]
shadi feels that perhaps only discussing the comments defined as 'necessary'
14:48:30 [markel]
q+
14:48:31 [justin]
shadi says we need to agree on the responses to the comments
14:49:48 [justin]
simon says it should go out to the emai list rather than getting bogged down in this meeting - simon to send out email asking if which items need comment - aka 'out of scope'
14:49:52 [sharper]
ack mar
14:51:12 [shadi]
q+
14:51:12 [justin]
markel says that maybe this documents can be use as a response to the authors - sometimes the context may be lost - as comments do not line up with the document contents
14:51:18 [sharper]
ack shadi
14:51:20 [shadi]
ack me
14:52:27 [markel]
q+
14:52:36 [sharper]
ack mar
14:52:46 [justin]
shadi agree with markel - says we send a collective email as to 'how we respond to your comments' - the 'out of scope' comments need further explanation
14:53:15 [justin]
markel agrees with shadi and that the 'out of scope' needs explaining
14:53:34 [justin]
simon to send out email looking for comments on the responses to be sent from the group
14:53:52 [justin]
zakim, close item 2
14:53:52 [Zakim]
agendum 2, Metrics W3C Note Status (5m) , closed
14:53:53 [Zakim]
I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:53:53 [Zakim]
3. Mobile W3C Note Status (5m) [from sharper]
14:54:04 [justin]
zakim, take up item 3
14:54:04 [Zakim]
agendum 3. "Mobile W3C Note Status (5m) " taken up [from sharper]
14:54:56 [justin]
simon says progress is being made on mobile note
14:55:02 [justin]
no comments re mobile note
14:55:09 [DaveS]
zakim, unmute me
14:55:09 [Zakim]
DaveS was not muted, DaveS
14:55:10 [justin]
zakim, close item 3
14:55:10 [Zakim]
agendum 3, Mobile W3C Note Status (5m) , closed
14:55:11 [Zakim]
I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:55:11 [Zakim]
4. Text Customisation W3C Note Status (5m) [from shawn/david via sharper]
14:55:17 [justin]
zakim, take up item 4
14:55:17 [Zakim]
agendum 4. "Text Customisation W3C Note Status (5m) " taken up [from shawn/david via sharper]
14:56:07 [justin]
no comments on text customisation note
14:56:11 [DaveS]
zakim, mute me
14:56:11 [Zakim]
DaveS should now be muted
14:56:13 [justin]
zakim, close item 4
14:56:13 [Zakim]
agendum 4, Text Customisation W3C Note Status (5m) , closed
14:56:14 [Zakim]
I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:56:14 [Zakim]
5. Easy to Read W3C Note Status (5m) [from klaus via sharper]
14:56:18 [sharper]
regrets+ silvia
14:56:18 [justin]
zakim, take up item 5
14:56:18 [Zakim]
agendum 5. "Easy to Read W3C Note Status (5m) " taken up [from klaus via sharper]
14:56:30 [justin]
silvia sends regrets
14:56:51 [justin]
klaus is not well and will be moving forward item 5 in a couple of weeks
14:57:12 [Zakim]
+Mark_Hakkinen
14:57:28 [justin]
shadi - have we got timelines on item 5
14:58:10 [justin]
simon checks email archives to see what klaus has said - 'going to work on it after csun' (next week)
14:58:38 [justin]
zakim, close item 5
14:58:38 [Zakim]
agendum 5, Easy to Read W3C Note Status (5m) , closed
14:58:39 [Zakim]
I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:58:39 [Zakim]
6. Next Topics to the WAI CG (10m) [from all via sharper]
14:58:45 [justin]
zakim, take up item 6
14:58:45 [Zakim]
agendum 6. "Next Topics to the WAI CG (10m)" taken up [from all via sharper]
14:59:35 [justin]
simon discusses the coordination group and will be meeting them tonight - sent through the topics - (asks shadi if it is open to everyone) - shadi says no
15:00:27 [sharper]
At last weeks RDWG meeting we decided to take forward three topics:
15:00:28 [sharper]
User Modelling
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http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/User_modelling
15:00:28 [sharper]
Haptics and Smart Images
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http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Smart_Images
15:00:29 [sharper]
Accessible Notification
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http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Accessible_Notifications
15:00:30 [sharper]
And we would now like to discuss these with the CG including their order
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- and timelines.
15:00:31 [sharper]
In addition, are there any candidates the CG thing may be more useful:
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http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Research_Topics#Proposed_Research_Topics_.28in_Chronological_Order_of_Creation.29
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Finally, we are also looking to discuss Developing Regions (with the new
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India community group) and also accessible annotations (with the new
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open annotations community group). Indeed, could we move these two along
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in parallel to each other and our own work with some oversight by us but
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with editors from these community groups?
15:00:36 [justin]
simon adds list of topics
15:01:36 [justin]
markhu making adding content a priority
15:02:06 [justin]
simon discusses the three topics selected last week
15:02:46 [justin]
simon says we will soon have an idea of what topic will be focussed on in the upcoming symposia
15:03:08 [justin]
simon says no further comments on the topics (against at least)
15:04:33 [justin]
markhu discusses smart images and haptics and the sort of tie in between the topics
15:05:11 [justin]
zakim, close item 6
15:05:11 [Zakim]
agendum 6, Next Topics to the WAI CG (10m), closed
15:05:12 [Zakim]
I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:05:12 [Zakim]
7. RDWG F2F at W4A 2013 (10m) [from vivienne via sharper]
15:05:16 [justin]
zakim, take up item 7
15:05:16 [Zakim]
agendum 7. "RDWG F2F at W4A 2013 (10m)" taken up [from vivienne via sharper]
15:05:42 [Vivienne]
ack me
15:06:46 [markel]
q+
15:06:51 [Vivienne]
zakim, mute me
15:06:51 [Zakim]
Vivienne should now be muted
15:06:51 [sharper]
ack mark
15:06:52 [justin]
vivienne proposes meeting of RDWG group at W4A 2013 and pehaps get some work done together face to face
15:07:17 [shadi]
q+
15:07:22 [DaveS]
q+
15:07:43 [DaveS]
ack me
15:07:45 [sharper]
ack DaveS
15:07:46 [justin]
markel thinks this idea should go through the general chair of the W4A
15:08:03 [Luz]
I will be in Rio one month before W4A, so I offer to help in anything your need, such as local issues.
15:08:44 [Vivienne]
I'm happy to help in any way that I can
15:08:54 [shadi]
ack me
15:08:55 [sharper]
Ackshadi
15:08:58 [sharper]
ack shad
15:08:58 [justin]
Dave agrees that such an event should take place, as organised by the general chairs
15:10:58 [justin]
shadi supports informal gathering, but does not want to add the the workload of the general chairs - question of whether there will be sufficient people to have a F2F and maybe find rooms to accomodate the group
15:11:15 [justin]
shadi suggests survey to find out who is going
15:11:56 [justin]
shadi feels there are multiple deliverables that we could work on as a group in a F2F meeting
15:12:08 [justin]
shadi to put up a WBS
15:12:11 [Vivienne]
yup
15:12:23 [Vivienne]
yes he is
15:12:34 [Luz]
Yes
15:12:38 [Luz]
I will be there before
15:12:47 [Luz]
so i can help
15:12:49 [annika]
ack me
15:13:05 [christos]
unfortunately... no
15:13:12 [annika]
zakim, mute me
15:13:12 [Zakim]
annika should now be muted
15:13:25 [DaveS]
zakim, mute me
15:13:25 [Zakim]
DaveS should now be muted
15:13:39 [markel]
Giorgio should be going too
15:14:00 [justin]
shadi asks if W4A is 3 days this year
15:14:06 [Luz]
q+
15:14:13 [Luz]
Zakim, unmute me
15:14:13 [Zakim]
Luz should no longer be muted
15:14:15 [sharper]
ack luz
15:14:18 [justin]
simon says that perhaps thursday woud be a good day to meet
15:14:32 [markel]
beer
15:14:40 [justin]
lots of it!!!!!1
15:14:48 [markel]
:-)
15:15:01 [Luz]
Zakim, mute me
15:15:01 [Zakim]
Luz should now be muted
15:15:30 [markel]
what about SLH?
15:16:39 [markel]
q+
15:17:12 [Luz]
Me netiher
15:17:18 [sharper]
Ack mar
15:17:52 [DaveS]
I would support the proposal of a F2F meeting on Thursday after W4A
15:17:57 [justin]
markel wonders if we can squeeze the meeting into the wednesday of the W4A
15:18:31 [justin]
simon proposes smaller meetings of part time wednesday and thursday
15:19:19 [justin]
shadi says 2 full days gets better work done
15:19:50 [justin]
simon says that the sruvey should cover the options that people prefer for the meeting
15:20:53 [justin]
simon raised layout and styles but shawn not available
15:21:00 [justin]
any other business raised
15:22:03 [Luz]
See you!
15:22:03 [Zakim]
-Mark_Hakkinen
15:22:03 [Vivienne]
good night all
15:22:04 [christos]
good bye
15:22:05 [annika]
bye
15:22:06 [DaveS]
thankyou, bye!
15:22:08 [Zakim]
-markel
15:22:09 [Zakim]
-Yehya
15:22:11 [markel]
markel has left #rd
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-annika
15:22:12 [sharper]
sharper has left #rd
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-christos
15:22:16 [Zakim]
-sharper
15:22:17 [Zakim]
-Luz
15:22:18 [Zakim]
-Vivienne
15:22:19 [shadi]
trackbot, end meeting
15:22:19 [trackbot]
Zakim, list attendees
15:22:20 [Zakim]
As of this point the attendees have been markel, Shadi, annika, sharper, Yehya, christos, Vivienne, Luz, DaveS, justin, Mark_Hakkinen
15:22:20 [Zakim]
-DaveS
15:22:22 [Zakim]
-Shadi
15:22:26 [Zakim]
-justin
15:22:27 [trackbot]
RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:22:27 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/20-rd-minutes.html trackbot
15:22:28 [trackbot]
RRSAgent, bye
15:22:28 [RRSAgent]
I see no action items
15:22:28 [Zakim]
WAI_RDWG()9:30AM has ended
15:22:28 [Zakim]
Attendees were markel, Shadi, annika, sharper, Yehya, christos, Vivienne, Luz, DaveS, justin, Mark_Hakkinen