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20:58:36 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
20:58:36 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see WAI_WCAG()4:00PM already started
20:58:37 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
20:58:37 <trackbot> Date: 14 February 2013
20:58:40 <Kathy> Kathy has joined #wai-wcag
20:58:41 <MichaelC> zakim, who is on the phone?
20:58:42 <Zakim> On the phone I see Shadi, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Gregg_Vanderheiden
20:58:48 <greggvanderheiden> greggvanderheiden has joined #wai-wcag
20:58:59 <Zakim> +Kathy
21:00:25 <greggvanderheiden> zakim, who is on the phone
21:00:25 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', greggvanderheiden
21:00:35 <Kathy> zakim, who is on the phone?
21:00:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see Shadi, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Kathy
21:00:57 <Zakim> +[Oracle]
21:00:58 <korn> korn has joined #wai-wcag
21:01:09 <korn> Zakim, Oracle has Peter_Korn
21:01:09 <Zakim> +Peter_Korn; got it
21:01:34 <Zakim> +Bruce_Bailey
21:02:39 <Zakim> + +1.617.584.aaaa
21:02:49 <Zakim> +??P6
21:02:52 <MichaelC> zakim, ??P6 is Michael_Cooper
21:02:52 <Zakim> +Michael_Cooper; got it
21:03:13 <Judy> Judy has joined #wai-wcag
21:03:36 <Zakim> +Judy
21:04:52 <MichaelC> zakim, aaaa is Andrew_Kirkpatrick
21:04:52 <Zakim> +Andrew_Kirkpatrick; got it
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21:05:22 <MichaelC> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2013JanMar/0076.html
21:05:30 <MichaelC> regrets: Gian_Wild, Loretta_Guarino_Reid
21:06:15 <greggvanderheiden> https://sites.google.com/site/wcag2ict/cross-cutting-issues-and-notes/remaining-3-scs
21:06:43 <shadi> zakim, mute me
21:06:43 <Zakim> Shadi should now be muted
21:06:51 <MichaelC> topic: Definition of ¨Set of Software¨ https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/FINAL4SC/results#xSoftDef
21:07:37 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
21:07:49 <MichaelC> zakim, Ipcaller is Kerstin_Probiesch
21:07:49 <Zakim> +Kerstin_Probiesch; got it
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21:08:46 <korn> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2013JanMar/0076.html
21:08:53 <korn>  https://sites.google.com/site/wcag2ict/cross-cutting-issues-and-notes/remaining-3-scs
21:08:59 <korn> q+
21:09:01 <kerstin> hi @all
21:09:10 <korn> topic: Definition of ¨Set of Software¨ https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/FINAL4SC/results#xSoftDef
21:09:23 <kerstin> zakim, mute me
21:09:23 <Zakim> Kerstin_Probiesch should now be muted
21:11:18 <korn> q-
21:11:55 <korn> q+
21:12:37 <korn> q-
21:17:47 <MichaelC> RESOLUTION: accept definition of software as amended
21:18:02 <korn> q+
21:18:17 <MichaelC> topic: SC 2.4.1 - Bypass Blocks https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/FINAL4SC/results#x241
21:20:17 <Zakim> +Marc_Johlic
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21:23:44 <MichaelC> RESOLUTION: accept as amended
21:23:57 <MichaelC> topic: SC 2.4.5 - Multiple Ways https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/FINAL4SC/results#x245
21:26:45 <AWK> NOTE 3:  An example of  'a software program that is part of process', that would meet the exception for this SC,  would be one where programs are interlinked but the interlinking dependds on program A being used before program B,  for validation or to initialize the dataset etc.
21:27:55 <korn> If  software program A must be used before program B - for validation or to  initialize the dataset, etc., - then then both program are "part of a  process".  As such, they meet the exception for this SC.
21:32:15 <Zakim> +David_MacDonald
21:32:38 <AWK> I have no preference for my wording or peter's.  Both are fine for me.
21:33:02 <AWK> Zakim, flip a coin
21:33:02 <Zakim> I don't understand 'flip a coin', AWK
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21:34:55 <Judy> q+
21:38:10 <korn> q-
21:38:40 <greggvanderheiden> ack j
21:39:17 <MichaelC> RESOLUTION: accept as amended
21:39:36 <MichaelC> topic: SC 3.2.3 - Consistent Navigation https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/FINAL4SC/results#x323
21:39:51 <MichaelC> RESOLUTION: accept as amended
21:42:36 <MichaelC> topic: SC 3.2.4: Consistent Identification https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/FINAL4SC/results#x324
21:43:29 <MichaelC> RESOLUTION: accept as amended
21:44:05 <MichaelC> topic: SC 3.2.4: Consistent Identification https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/FINAL4SC/results#x324i
21:44:28 <Zakim> -Katie_Haritos-Shea
21:45:23 <Zakim> +Katie_Haritos-Shea
21:45:28 <greggvanderheiden> ack b
21:45:38 <korn> q+
21:45:58 <AWK> q+
21:54:47 <korn> q-
21:55:13 <MichaelC> q+ Katie
21:55:31 <MichaelC> ack a
21:57:33 <David> q+
21:57:38 <MichaelC>  ack d
21:58:48 <MichaelC> ack k
21:58:54 <MichaelC> zakim, unmute katie
21:58:54 <Zakim> Katie_Haritos-Shea was not muted, MichaelC
22:08:49 <MichaelC> RESOLUTION: put option B from the survey results into Understanding 3.2.4
22:09:16 <MichaelC> topic: Software or Programs
22:10:11 <MichaelC> RESOLUTION: WCAG2ICTTF is authorized to replace ¨set of software programs¨ with either ¨set of software¨ or ¨set of software (programs)¨
22:10:52 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/WCAGevalTaskForce/results Eval review
22:10:57 <shadi> ack me
22:11:21 <MichaelC> Comments on Section1: Introduction https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/WCAGevalTaskForce/results#xICmts
22:13:22 <korn> q+
22:13:38 <korn> q-
22:16:07 <kerstin> zakim, unmute me
22:16:07 <Zakim> Kerstin_Probiesch should no longer be muted
22:19:31 <kerstin> zakim, mute me
22:19:32 <Zakim> Kerstin_Probiesch should now be muted
22:19:37 <greggvanderheiden> Website with Separable Areas" - Too much weight is put on the password protected part, a better basis for separability needs to be found. I lean towards flexibility here, as long as this is clearly explained in the scope.
22:20:29 <greggvanderheiden> Resolution:
22:20:30 <greggvanderheiden> Change in rewrite of the Introduction: "This methodology, Website Accessibility Conformance Evaluation Methodology (WCAG-EM) 1.0, describes a way to evaluate the conformance of existing websites to the Web Content Accessibility Guidelines (WCAG) 2.0. This methodology can also be useful for other purposes such as for ongoing evaluation of websites during their development."
22:20:31 <greggvanderheiden> Rationale: The focus is now on the word purpose and not on the fact if the website is finished.
22:20:32 <greggvanderheiden> We want to be careful with exclusion criteria. We have previously decided to address this by not making it possible to exclude any parts of a website. We decided that we want to approach this in a positive way, encouraging the use of the methodology from the start without broadening the scope - this allows people to (re)use the methodology for many more situations without actually broadening the scope of the document. The answer to the
22:20:33 <greggvanderheiden> question would be yes. There have been a number of rewrites of this section. The latest is covered in Survey 8.
22:20:34 <greggvanderheiden> See discussion in Survey about DoC_ID20. No comments about proposed resolution during telco and week after. And decisions in Telco. For review in ED 17 january and again in ED 22 January 2013. New rewrite in the ED draft 20130122. Agreement in survey 8.
22:21:15 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/conformance/comments-20120920#comment25
22:23:03 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/conformance/ED-methodology-20130208#separable
22:23:36 <greggvanderheiden> In some cases websites may have clearly separable areas, such as a password-restricted area of a website (extranet) that is not part of using the public area (log-in is not required to complete a function or process). Such areas can be considered as individual websites rather than sub-sites for the purpose of this document.
22:25:55 <Zakim> -Judy
22:27:06 <David> consider this In some cases websites may have clearly separable areas, such as a password-restricted area of a website (extranet) that is not part of the public web site (where log-in is not required to complete a function or process). Such areas MAY be considered as individual websites rather than sub-sites for the purpose of this document, <add>and documented in the scope.</add>
22:28:13 <shadi> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/WCAGevalTaskForce/results#xprocedur
22:28:15 <kerstin> zakim, unmute me
22:28:15 <Zakim> Kerstin_Probiesch should no longer be muted
22:28:48 <korn> +1 to staying
22:28:58 <kerstin> +1 for staying also
22:30:06 <greggvanderheiden> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/conformance/comments-20120920
22:31:34 <shadi> q+
22:33:03 <MichaelC> RESOLUTION: accept as proposed
22:33:05 <shadi> ack me
22:33:22 <MichaelC> topic: Introduction https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/WCAGevalTaskForce/results#xq2
22:34:00 <kerstin> I support "a way"
22:34:34 <MichaelC> s/RESOLUTION: accept as proposed//
22:35:38 <shadi> q+
22:36:06 <shadi> ack me
22:36:10 <greggvanderheiden> ack s
22:37:54 <greggvanderheiden> q+
22:38:04 <korn> q+
22:38:04 <greggvanderheiden> ack g
22:40:19 <MichaelC> topic: Using this Methodology https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/WCAGevalTaskForce/results#xUsing
22:40:32 <korn> q-
22:42:56 <MichaelC> topic: Conformance Evaluation Procedure and Considerations for Particular Situations https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/WCAGevalTaskForce/results#xprocedur
22:44:04 <shadi> q+
22:44:12 <shadi> ack me
22:47:38 <korn> q-
22:48:55 <Zakim> +Cooper
22:49:31 <MichaelC> zakim, drop Michael_Cooper
22:49:31 <Zakim> Michael_Cooper is being disconnected
22:49:33 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
22:51:13 <kerstin> q+
22:53:01 <korn> q+ bruce
22:53:02 <greggvanderheiden> ack k
22:55:50 <MichaelC> q+ to note that if jurisdictions make techniques required, then evaluators should just follow the optional section; but other evaluators shouldn´t be limited to the WCAG techniques so this should remain optional
22:56:17 <korn> q+
23:01:12 <kerstin> q+
23:01:17 <greggvanderheiden> ack b
23:02:18 <shadi> q+ to talk about techniques and failures
23:02:43 <korn> q-
23:03:17 <MichaelC> ack me
23:03:17 <Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to note that if jurisdictions make techniques required, then evaluators should just follow the optional section; but other evaluators shouldn´t be limited to
23:03:21 <Zakim> ... the WCAG techniques so this should remain optional
23:04:01 <MichaelC> ack k
23:04:02 <greggvanderheiden> ack k
23:04:03 <MichaelC> ack s
23:04:03 <Zakim> shadi, you wanted to talk about techniques and failures
23:04:09 <shadi> ack me
23:04:53 <greggvanderheiden> q+
23:05:55 <MichaelC> Suggestion to create a resource underscoring that we don´t think jurisdictions should require implementers to follow only WCAG techniques for conformance
23:06:31 <Zakim> -Andrew_Kirkpatrick
23:06:34 <kerstin> q+
23:06:58 <greggvanderheiden> ack g
23:07:07 <greggvanderheiden> ack
23:07:10 <greggvanderheiden> ack k
23:08:03 <korn> q+
23:08:26 <greggvanderheiden> ack k
23:09:09 <kerstin> q+
23:09:29 <korn> q-
23:09:31 <greggvanderheiden> ack k
23:09:50 <korn> q+
23:11:10 <korn> q-
23:12:38 <korn> q+
23:13:57 <shadi> q+
23:14:04 <greggvanderheiden> ack k
23:14:06 <greggvanderheiden> ack s
23:14:09 <korn> q-
23:15:43 <kerstin> q+
23:16:35 <shadi> [[Techniques and failures in the context of WCAG 2.0 are informative and not required for determining conformance with WCAG 2.0; WCAG 2.0 Success Criteria are written as testable statements. Techniques provide documented ways of meeting WCAG 2.0 Success Criteria and failures document commonly made mistakes. More information on techniques and failures is provided in WCAG 2.0 Layers of Guidance.]]
23:17:05 <Zakim> -Katie_Haritos-Shea
23:17:06 <Zakim> -[Oracle]
23:18:07 <Kathy> Sorry I need to go
23:19:15 <Zakim> -Kathy
23:19:17 <Zakim> -Gregg_Vanderheiden
23:19:19 <Zakim> -Shadi
23:19:20 <Zakim> -David_MacDonald
23:19:24 <Zakim> -Marc_Johlic
23:19:26 <Zakim> -Bruce_Bailey
23:19:26 <Zakim> -Kerstin_Probiesch
23:24:26 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, Cooper, in WAI_WCAG()4:00PM
23:24:27 <Zakim> WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has ended
23:24:27 <Zakim> Attendees were Shadi, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Kathy, Peter_Korn, Bruce_Bailey, +1.617.584.aaaa, Michael_Cooper, Judy, Andrew_Kirkpatrick, Kerstin_Probiesch,
23:24:27 <Zakim> ... Marc_Johlic, David_MacDonald, Cooper
23:28:32 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make minutes
23:28:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/14-wai-wcag-minutes.html MichaelC
23:34:03 <MichaelC> chair: Gregg_Vanderheiden
23:34:07 <MichaelC> scribeOptions: -final
23:34:12 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make minutes
23:34:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/14-wai-wcag-minutes.html MichaelC
23:34:17 <MichaelC> rrsagent, bye
23:34:17 <RRSAgent> I see no action items