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17:02:34 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
17:02:35 <trackbot> Date: 14 February 2013
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17:02:50 <glenn> zakim, who's on the phone?
17:02:50 <Zakim> On the phone I see Radhika_Roy, +1.206.850.aaaa, cabanier, glenn, ??P5
17:02:54 <mjs> hi all
17:03:03 <Zakim> + +1.425.202.aabb
17:03:16 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
17:03:24 <jaymunro> zakim, microsoft has me
17:03:24 <Zakim> +jaymunro; got it
17:03:26 <ddorwin> zakim, aabb is me
17:03:26 <Zakim> +ddorwin; got it
17:03:40 <janina> zakim, who's on the phone?
17:03:40 <Zakim> On the phone I see Radhika_Roy, +1.206.850.aaaa, cabanier, glenn, ??P5, ddorwin, [Microsoft]
17:03:42 <Zakim> [Microsoft] has jaymunro
17:03:42 <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
17:03:46 <Zakim> + +1.626.379.aacc
17:03:47 <Zakim> +Plh
17:03:55 <janina> zakim, ??P5 is Janina
17:03:55 <Zakim> +Janina; got it
17:04:05 <krisk> zakim, Microsoft.a is krisk
17:04:05 <Zakim> + +1.415.595.aadd
17:04:06 <Zakim> +krisk; got it
17:04:19 <glenn> zakim, mute me
17:04:19 <Zakim> glenn should now be muted
17:04:28 <mjs> Zakim, +1.415.595.aadd is me
17:04:28 <Zakim> +mjs; got it
17:06:38 <mjs> anyone willing to scribe?
17:06:44 <mjs> also, can people hear me?
17:06:49 <krisk> no
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17:07:10 <Zakim> -mjs
17:07:44 <Zakim> +mjs
17:08:03 <mjs> fiddlesticks
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17:08:41 <glenn> personally, i prefer fiddleheads :)
17:08:50 <Zakim> + +1.408.536.aaee
17:09:02 <krisk> yes
17:09:05 <joesteele> Zakim, aaee is joesteele
17:09:05 <Zakim> +joesteele; got it
17:09:12 <plh> scribe: plh
17:09:54 <plh> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2013JanMar/0013.html
17:10:00 <plh> Topic: Action items
17:10:04 <plh> Maciej: none
17:10:09 <plh> Topic: Call for Consensus
17:10:17 <plh> Maciej: we closed a few of them
17:11:00 <plh> .. picture element, srcset attribute, use cases and responsive for images, and EMA
17:11:19 <plh> ... picture, srcset, and use cases and reqs for responsive images passed
17:11:32 <Zakim> +[Apple]
17:11:35 <hober> Zakim, Apple is me
17:11:35 <Zakim> +hober; got it
17:12:01 <plh> ... eme did not pass
17:12:04 <plh> ... extensive discussion
17:12:12 <plh> ... several objections and support
17:12:38 <plh> .. statement from w3c team on whether this type of work is something to work on or not
17:12:51 <plh> ... the team said it's appropriate even if they didn't get a technical position
17:13:39 <plh> ... we need to look into some of the objections
17:13:57 <plh> ... folks should use public-html-media extensions and www-archive otherwise
17:14:10 <glenn> q+
17:14:15 <glenn> zakim, unmute me
17:14:15 <Zakim> glenn should no longer be muted
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17:14:39 <plh> Glenn: what is the chairs plan for moving forward on the FPWD request?
17:14:47 <plh> ... as noted, fpwd does not require consensus
17:15:11 <plh> Maciej: plan is to look at what sort of good faith is made to resolve objections
17:15:22 <plh> ... it's at least possible to make some progress there
17:15:44 <plh> ... the broad question of principle regarding w3c is larger than the html wg
17:15:58 <plh> ... the w3c team and the advisory committee are the authorities for that
17:16:27 <plh> ... we have said we'll give people time to file bugs and issues
17:16:32 <joesteele> didn't the W3C team already say that this was an appropriate subject for us to cover?
17:16:47 <plh> ... we'll look at the next steps after that
17:16:50 <joesteele> +q
17:16:58 <plh> ack glenn
17:17:03 <joesteele> Zakim, unmute me
17:17:03 <Zakim> joesteele was not muted, joesteele
17:17:15 <plh> Maciej: it's not clear if the majority of the group supports the current approach
17:17:28 <plh> ... we might do a survey to estimate that later
17:18:22 <plh> Glenn: the CfC was to the list subscribers, it doesn't represent what participants of the WG think
17:18:38 <plh> ... would help to have a survey addressed to the WG participants rather than list subscribers
17:18:41 <glenn> s/participants/members/
17:18:45 <plh> ack joe
17:19:20 <plh> Joe: quick clarification: you said that the w3c team that this was an appropriate topic to cover and then heard you said we're waiting for them
17:19:30 <plh> Maciej: it's appropriate to work in this area
17:19:46 <plh> ... to the extend it's an open question, it should be take to the team and the AC
17:19:57 <plh> Joe: so, are we still waiting for clarification?
17:20:18 <plh> Maciej: no, if anybody doesn't like what the W3C team said, it should be taken to them directly
17:20:34 <ddorwin> Clarifying something said earlier, the deadline for bugs is the 15th, not 25th - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013Feb/0123.html
17:20:37 <plh> Joe: so, the next step is to look at the technical objections?
17:20:40 <plh> Maciej: correct
17:21:23 <plh> Topic: Task Force
17:21:34 <plh> Maciej: Testing first
17:21:45 <krisk> darobin created a coverage report using the 'new' folder structure that maps to the spec (yeah!)
17:21:56 <plh> Kris: Robin generates a nice coverage report, I recommend people look at it
17:22:01 <plh> ... canvas looks good
17:22:03 <plh> q+
17:22:14 <plh> ... some others don't
17:22:15 <krisk> See -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2013Feb/0013.html
17:22:32 <krisk> Meeting notes http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2013Feb/0020.html
17:22:36 <plh> Kris: we met last Tuesday
17:22:53 <plh> ... Tobie, Michael, and Yosuke
17:23:06 <paulc> zakim, what is the code?
17:23:06 <Zakim> the conference code is 4865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), paulc
17:23:10 <plh> ... we're replicating the approved tests on w3c-test.org now
17:23:25 <plh> ... more discussion around the metadata theme
17:23:32 <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
17:23:45 <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft.a] has paulc
17:23:45 <Zakim> +paulc; got it
17:23:49 <plh> plh: do we have all the tests we need for canvas?
17:24:25 <plh> Kris: at TPAC, there are some tests that everyone fail
17:24:46 <plh> ... I'll follow up with that
17:25:01 <plh> plh: yes, would be good to know what to do with the failures
17:25:14 <plh> Maciej: Accessibility is next
17:25:37 <plh> Janina: eta for longdesc extension is 10am this Monday
17:25:49 <plh> ... we do have some tweaks in language in the summary of objections received
17:25:57 <plh> ... it's on the tf list
17:26:09 <plh> ... we don't expect suprises at this point
17:26:16 <plh> ... I'll forward the request to publish
17:26:24 <plh> ... we're eager to move
17:26:40 <plh> ... so it'll be in html and wai pf groups on Monday
17:26:53 <plh> ... tf is pleased that Steve Faulkner is one of the editors
17:27:06 <plh> ... he filled bugs on the alt text in the spec
17:27:12 <plh> ... reached out to Robin about this as well
17:27:19 <plh> ... so should be moving along as well
17:27:28 <plh> ... finally dealing with bugs
17:28:19 <plh> Maciej: media is next
17:28:43 <plh> Paul: media tf continues to alternate between MSE and EME
17:28:48 <plh> ... MSE was this week
17:28:54 <plh> ... we're making progress
17:29:04 <plh> ... done some updates since the FPWD
17:29:13 <plh> ... we're done to a single digit number of bugs
17:29:20 <plh> ... on EME, we have 15 new bugs
17:29:46 <plh> ... the EME group will meet next Tuesday and those bugs will be at the top of the list
17:29:54 <plh> ... discussion happening in the bugzilla
17:30:55 <plh> Topic: Other Business
17:31:08 <plh> Maciej: there is a call for editors for the polyglot specification
17:31:12 <plh> ... a few open bugs for this one
17:31:40 <plh> ... would be to have an active an editors' team
17:31:46 <plh> ... please get in touch with us if you're interested
17:32:30 <plh> Janina: we had a highly productive workshop with IDPF (EPUB) and hopefully some of them will join to work here
17:32:41 <plh> ... they want to standardize around HTML5 and have some concerns
17:32:56 <plh> ... I suggest looking at the minutes
17:33:06 <paulc> see http://www.w3.org/QA/2013/02/ebooks_great_expectations_work_1.html
17:33:19 <plh> Topic: Next meeting
17:33:22 <plh> Maciej: scribe?
17:33:45 <plh> Rick: I'll do it
17:33:54 <plh> [adjourned]
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17:34:06 <Zakim> -Radhika_Roy
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17:34:25 <Eliot> Zakim, +1.206.850.aaaa is me
17:34:26 <Zakim> sorry, Eliot, I do not recognize a party named '+1.206.850.aaaa'
17:34:44 <plh> zakim, drop Kris
17:34:44 <Zakim> krisk is being disconnected
17:34:45 <Zakim> -krisk
17:34:45 <Zakim> -[Microsoft.a]
17:34:46 <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
17:34:46 <Zakim> Attendees were Radhika_Roy, +1.206.850.aaaa, cabanier, glenn, +1.425.202.aabb, jaymunro, ddorwin, [Microsoft], +1.626.379.aacc, Plh, Janina, krisk, mjs, +1.408.536.aaee, joesteele,
17:34:46 <Zakim> ... hober, paulc
17:34:53 <plh> rrsagent, generate minutes
17:34:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/14-html-wg-minutes.html plh
17:35:18 <plh> Chair: Maciej
17:35:20 <plh> rrsagent, generate minutes
17:35:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/14-html-wg-minutes.html plh
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