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16:36:50 <Chapell> Brooks: De-identified means you can't link identity to is
16:37:01 <Chapell> Brooks: de-intentified is a subset of unlinkable
16:37:36 <Chapell> brooks: we should come as close to an english language def
16:38:08 <Chapell> brooks: def: unlinkable means you can't link new info to the record
16:38:31 <Chapell> brooks: BMW enthusiast is a set of data --- you can't introduce a new data segment to the set
16:38:34 <Chapell> that is unlinkable
16:40:00 <Chapell> justin: take a data set that has attributes that GTR, ESPN.com bought yankees tix --- but if you can't add additional data sets, is that a stronger def of de-identified
16:40:02 <Chapell> Brooks: yes
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16:41:20 <Chapell> Haakon: def of personal data in eu is data that cannot be linked to.... so using the term unlinkable here might be problematic and seen as conflicting with eu law
16:42:30 <Chapell> brooks: compariing the difference between two poorly defined terms is not super helpful
16:42:38 <Chapell> Justin: there is a difference
16:43:06 <Chapell> Justin: if market research is a permitted use, then the de-identifcation discussion becomes moot
16:43:33 <Chapell> Justin: it is hard to call data de-identifed if there is a way to tie it back (felton, eu regulators agree)
16:43:54 <Chapell> Justin: the simple promise of not tying it back isn't really enough
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16:45:07 <haakonfb> http://www.w3.org/2011/tracking-protection/drafts/CambridgeBareBones.html#def-unlinkable
16:45:54 <Chapell> Justin: If the user pro-actively turns on DNT, then it seems like that market research companies should not be able to continue to conduct their market research under the de-identification premise
16:46:42 <Chapell> Brooks: what is specific and what is general in terms of consent? Comscore may obtain an out-of band consent
16:47:52 <Chapell> Justin: if we treat dnt1 users as opted out of panels, people will have less trust in the #'s provided by market research
16:48:24 <Chapell> Justin: and this will in turn cause trust problems in the marketplace
16:50:19 <Chapell> Haakon: def of unlinkable: he likes the def where the entity promises not to relink the data
16:50:40 <Chapell> Justin: likes option #1 if the first and third bracketed words taken out
16:54:51 <Chapell>  takes reasonable steps to de-identify data such that there is high probability that it contains information which could not be reasonably linked to a specific user, user agent, or device [in a production environment]
17:01:28 <Chapell> Justin: in a production environment ---- you still have the cookie and put the data in a vault and promise not to look at it
17:03:34 <Chapell> brooks: to prove something de-identifiable you need to meet a really high (EFelton's) standard
17:04:13 <Chapell> Justin: the FTC report relied on the term reasonable.
17:05:40 <Chapell> Justin: likes the FTC approach.
17:06:06 <Chapell> Justin: perhaps a narrower def of market research would be where we end up
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17:11:25 <Chapell> this standard won't solve the govt access problem
17:11:54 <Chapell> brooks: we need new terms here. every time we use exisiting terms, there's some other standard that is married to that term
17:13:30 <Chapell> justin: it would be helpful to understand how much value we'd lose by having more stringent data identification standards
17:22:38 <Chapell> group deliberating around the FTC's def of unlinkability
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18:26:40 <fielding> Meeting: TPWG F2F Breakout Group A
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