IRC log of egov on 2013-02-08

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Meeting: eGov IG (Atlantic)
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chair: Jeanne
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+??P16
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agenda: http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Main_Page
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Ill scribe
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+[IPcaller.a]
16:04:24 [JeanneHolm]
Scribe: Gwyneth
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+Brand
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scribe: GwynS
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+DanielBennett
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Topic: How Linked Data is Transforming eGovernment, Nikos Loutas
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Nikos' slides -> http://joinup.ec.europa.eu/sites/default/files/D4.3.2_Case_Study_Linked_Data_eGov.pdf
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+Owen
16:07:00 [PhilA]
ref PwC = PricewaterhouseCoopers
16:07:02 [tariqkhokhar]
I'm getting "Access Denied Your request has been denied for security reason." for that link. Anybody else?
16:07:21 [JeanneHolm]
Background for the project: https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/community/semic/document/case-study-how-linked-data-transforming-egovernment
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Tariq--
16:07:53 [GwynS]
Nikos presenting work done on behalf of EC,
16:08:03 [JeanneHolm]
Tariq--I'm able to get in on both slides and the project site.
16:08:23 [tariqkhokhar]
Zakim, ??P16 may be tariqkhokhar
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+tariqkhokhar?; got it
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Nikos: focusing on why open data is of interest of pwc and EC
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Nikos: the concern for gov is interoperbility within IC
16:10:10 [carlosiglesias]
Zakim, +[IPcaller.a] may be me
16:10:10 [Zakim]
sorry, carlosiglesias, I do not understand your question
16:10:23 [GwynS]
Nikos: at first is was a technical problem starting in the late 1990s, for from mid2000s the shift has been to looking at the meaing of data
16:10:40 [carlosiglesias]
Zakim, [IPcaller.a] may be me
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+carlosiglesias?; got it
16:11:41 [GwynS]
Nikos: W3C is a partner, one of our initialives is looking at core vocabs and adms
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NIkos: different agencies and govs use different models for data. this leads to explosion of cost... EC has developed a common model to simplify things when people are developing for gov
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Nikos: we approach govs and agencies such as w3c for their help, we collect and federate the data and link
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http://joinup.ec.europa.eu/catalogue/repository/all
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shows the repositories that are part of the federation
16:15:22 [Nikos]
http://joinup.ec.europa.eu/search/apachesolr_search?filters=sm_facetbuilder_facet_node_type%3A%22facet_node_type%3Afacet_24%22%20%20sm_facetbuilder_facet_node_type%3A%22facet_node_type%3Afacet_22%22&retain-filters=1&hidden_type=1
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our advanced search
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Nikos: we are 60 partners and growing.
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Nikos: slide 12
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+bdhandspicker
16:18:33 [GwynS]
nikos:what are gov core vocabs and how can they help egov?
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nikos: they represent different data entities, we have developed 4 core vocabs (is that right??)
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Nikos: we work on specifiying the core vocabs at the conceptual level, and also we work on supporting they use
16:20:23 [Zakim]
+ +1.801.879.aacc
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- +1.801.879.aacc
16:21:09 [PhilA]
EC Core vocs: Person, Location Business (now RegOrg http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-regorg/), plus ADMS http://www.w3.org/ns/adms)
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Nikos: an example of pilots on slide 13
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Now working on a vocab to describe a public service. This moves to public review imminently. Owen and bdhandspicker both contributors to that
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Nikos: slide 11, we are also work to raise awareness around open data and linked data
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Nikos: we have prepared case studies to show how it can decrease cost and increase transparency
16:23:47 [PhilA]
URI Persistence study - original PDF at http://joinup.ec.europa.eu/sites/default/files/D7.1.3%20-%20Study%20on%20persistent%20URIs_0.pdf Web version at http://philarcher.org/diary/2013/uripersistence/
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Nikos: case study on 20 govts from which we developed best practices
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Nikos: slide 10, concluding with what is happening in the field of linked data
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Nikos: We deliver pilots, best practices, vocabularies, ADMS, and we are would be happy to provide more info, please contact
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JeanneHolm: question, how do you coordinate the work on the core vocabs?
16:27:02 [tariqkhokhar]
Question here please.
16:27:23 [JeanneHolm]
Zakim queue?
16:28:18 [GwynS]
Nikos: the gov linked data group of the w3c looks at them is responsible for changing and evolving them.
16:28:40 [GwynS]
question, JeanneHolm: is the intent for it to be stable or to change over time?
16:29:12 [PhilA]
It's actually a First Public Working Draft, so RegOrg is on the Rec track. To date, the other vocabs are not. ADMS is the next most advanced and should be published by GLD in the near future, perhaps as a Note
16:29:19 [GwynS]
Nikos: it is meant to be a reference (help???)
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Tariq, question: where do you get the input for projects?
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-??P5
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Nikos: developing countries have not given much input so far, but we would like that.
16:31:37 [GwynS]
Brand, comment, have you looked at EC patent work in terms of making things interoperable. much more mature
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Brand: it's called Be Informed
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Brand: it's a plaform, a graphic interface, it's essentially doing knowledge modeling. Being used by Dutch for patent system
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+??P5
16:33:25 [PhilA]
You mean this Brand? http://www.beinformed.nl
16:34:12 [GwynS]
Nikos: this seems to be out of out scope, we do not do modeling of this type
16:35:22 [tariqkhokhar]
Link to my presentation / screen share https://join.me/311-250-665
16:35:31 [PhilA]
Topic: Open Data at the World Bank and Developing Countries, Tariq Khokhar
16:35:36 [GwynS]
JeanneHolm: thank you, great presentation, and next speaker.....
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Tariq's Join Me link https://www.dropbox.com/s/ywhrnx451kpolj7/TariqKhokhar-WorldBankOpenData-W3CeGov-08022013.pdf
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Tariq: data evangelist for world bank
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- +1.818.434.aaaa
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Tariq: open about we we do, wehat we know and helping others to do this too
16:37:16 [DanielBennett]
Join.me fan, though wish .me was recognized as a country TLD, not cute URL ending (fyi, it is montenegro)
16:37:21 [PhilA]
we're on slide 3
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+ +1.818.434.aadd
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slide 4
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Tariq: over 1/3 of our traffic comes over our site looking for data
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Tariq: dat about migration, remittances, spending... our main website allows browsing in 3 ways: topics, downloadable, by country
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Tariq: multi-lingual is very important
16:39:38 [PhilA]
Yay for DCAT :-)
16:39:48 [Nikos]
indeed! +1 for DCAT
16:39:50 [bdhandspicker]
Link for data catalog?
16:39:52 [GwynS]
Tariq: we also have a data catalog
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Tariq: and open knowledge repository connected with linked data
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Current slide is called Open about what we do
16:41:58 [GwynS]
Tariq: projects are published as downloads and api, also geocoded so maps are frequently used connecting different data such as poverty indicators
16:43:21 [GwynS]
Tariq:there are many visualizations used, as well as apps available. very popular with world bank staff
16:43:40 [bdhandspicker]
World Bank Data Catalog: http://data.worldbank.org/data-catalog/
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-Brand
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World Bank Developers Page: http://data.worldbank.org/developers
16:44:20 [GwynS]
Tariq: we publish out data as part of the Int'l Aid transparency Initiative
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Tariq: lessons learned... when opening up data, lots of work involved in making data accessible. building new sites is expensive, but visibility increased immensely. data now in the hands of decision-makers
16:46:33 [Nikos]
is there a study summarising these findings?
16:48:02 [GwynS]
Tariq: also, we built for re-use to make it easy for others to use our data, using api's
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Tariq: examples, one major partner is google using data
16:50:02 [DanielBennett]
this is a great example of using xml documents which can be accessed and used in realtime by other apps. I still think having a generic xsl would make each xml page human readable if people clicked on them (would make citing the data more likely)
16:50:41 [GwynS]
Tariq: ways we are supporting other with open data: we support supply side with an open gov data toolkit
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Tariq: spreading an assessment tool which encourages reflection and development stages
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Tariq: example in code 4 Keyna modeled after code 4 america/europe.. there are fellows who train and graduate with the skills to develop
16:53:42 [GwynS]
Tariq: example, community mapping
16:54:17 [DanielBennett]
q+
16:54:20 [Nikos]
excellent presentation!
16:54:24 [bdhandspicker]
Fascinating work!
16:54:34 [PhilA]
acl DanielBennett
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q+
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ack DanielBennett
16:55:10 [bdhandspicker]
Any issues with open data being misused? e.g. ethnicity geographic mapping used for ethnic cleansing?
16:56:11 [GwynS]
DanielBennett: question: concerning the ex of the xml or api where people can pull things directly into what theyre working on. This creates a similar problem to what we have, many don't understand the rss, to the end result isn't machine readble
16:56:12 [GannonDick]
like StratML ?
16:57:14 [PhilA]
ack Nikos
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q+
16:57:58 [GwynS]
Nikos: is there a study about the use of data?
16:58:25 [DanielBennett]
http://xmldatasets.net/homepage.html this is website that takes a URL for an xml doc and converts it using a generic xsl
16:58:36 [GwynS]
Tariq: there are some good studies in kenya and moldova, but mostly informal on blogs
16:58:41 [GannonDick]
q+
16:59:11 [PhilA]
See http://alpha.data.gov/
16:59:14 [tariqkhokhar]
Thanks DanielBennett !
16:59:16 [GwynS]
JeanneHolm: we also tried to do some of that documentation, look at the site... but stories around the data set
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Nikos: we are running a story around business models, and would like to know more about these examples
16:59:49 [PhilA]
ack me
17:00:22 [JeanneHolm]
Check out open data success stories around US data at http://alpha.data.gov
17:00:30 [GwynS]
PhilA: question: is Kenya still a good example for open data?
17:03:01 [GwynS]
Tariq: the haven't stopped, but perhaps stalled. there may not be enough legal mandates for gov't to publish. and there is a lot of use of data, and they do have a plan. should we stop talking about kenya so much, maybe, because there is so much going on elesewhere
17:03:10 [PhilA]
nikos - see CapGemini report http://www.capgemini-consulting.com/ebook/The-Open-Data-Economy/files/assets/downloads/publication.pdf
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ack GannonDick
17:03:54 [GannonDick]
http://graphical.weather.gov/xml/
17:04:01 [GwynS]
GannonDick: question, the US national servic delivers data in the way Daniel was talking about
17:04:20 [DanielBennett]
do you have a link to the weather xml with xsl, brand?
17:05:01 [PhilA]
rrsagent, make logs public
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/08-egov-minutes.html PhilA
17:05:36 [DanielBennett]
thanks Tariq, great work at World Bank
17:05:50 [GwynS]
JeanneHolm: thank you to both the speakers. we are seeing a maturation in our field from pilots and prototypes to really robust projects. We are moving ahead with open data in our agenda, please be in contact if you have a speaker or want to speak
17:06:45 [bdhandspicker]
Add "senstive data" to your privacy topic
17:07:05 [JeanneHolm]
Access and accessibility, Cloud computing, Data licensing, Education and outreach, Government as a platform, Interoperability, Information sharing, Innovation transfer, Impact and public value, Knowledge management, Mobile technologies, Privacy and security, Standardization versus adaptation, Transparency and accountability, Whole-of-government
17:07:18 [bdhandspicker]
er, "sensitive" data
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-??P5
17:08:06 [JeanneHolm]
https://www.usajobs.gov/GetJob/ViewDetails/337385900 is an open requisition for the system architect on Data.gov
17:08:20 [DanielBennett]
XML Prague is this weekend
17:08:27 [PhilA]
Open data on teh Web http://www.w3.org/2013/04/odw/
17:08:41 [JeanneHolm]
Thanks Brian, I will add it.
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http://www.xmlprague.cz/sessions/
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s/teh/the/
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/08-egov-minutes.html PhilA
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http://pegov.disco.unimib.it
17:11:19 [DanielBennett]
boston folks here, sorry. stay safe in the snow.
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-GannonDick
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- +322710aabb
17:11:24 [PhilA]
rrsagent, generate minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/08-egov-minutes.html PhilA
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-carlosiglesias?
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-bdhandspicker
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bye
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-[IPcaller]
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-PhilA
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-tariqkhokhar?
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-DanielBennett
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-thschee
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-Owen
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Attendees were thschee, +1.818.434.aaaa, [IPcaller], +322710aabb, PhilA, Brand, DanielBennett, GannonDick, Owen, tariqkhokhar?, carlosiglesias?, bdhandspicker, +1.801.879.aacc,
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... +1.818.434.aadd
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rrsagent, generate minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/08-egov-minutes.html PhilA
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