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14:58:54 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be TTML
14:58:54 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
14:58:55 <trackbot> Meeting: Timed Text Working Group Teleconference
14:58:55 <Sean> just sent.
14:58:55 <trackbot> Date: 07 February 2013
14:58:59 <mmartin3> Chair
14:59:01 <mmartin3> Sean Hayes
14:59:05 <mmartin3> scribenick: mmartin3
14:59:12 <mmartin3> Zakim, this will be TTML
14:59:12 <Zakim> ok, mmartin3; I see SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 1 minute
14:59:14 <Sean> I havent prepared much for today
14:59:31 <Sean> but I want to try and get a handle on what is outstanding to complete the SE
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15:01:35 <mmartin3> zakim, list attendees?
15:01:35 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, mmartin3.
15:01:43 <mmartin3> zakim, list attendees
15:01:43 <Zakim> sorry, mmartin3, I don't know what conference this is
15:01:52 <mmartin3> zakim, this is TTML
15:01:52 <Zakim> ok, mmartin3; that matches SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM
15:01:59 <mmartin3> zakim, list attendees
15:01:59 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been [Microsoft], sean, +41.22.717.aaaa, mike
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15:02:08 <mmartin3> zakim, Microsoft is mmartin3
15:02:08 <Zakim> +mmartin3; got it
15:02:38 <Zakim> +pal
15:02:41 <mmartin3> zakim, aaaa is Frans_deJong_EBU_
15:02:41 <Zakim> +Frans_deJong_EBU_; got it
15:03:25 <mmartin3> Regrets Glenn Adams
15:03:31 <mmartin3> zakim, list attendees
15:03:31 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been sean, +41.22.717.aaaa, mike, mmartin3, pal, Frans_deJong_EBU_
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15:03:38 <Zakim> +Plh
15:04:17 <mmartin3> sean: No agenda. In between work items.
15:04:40 <Zakim> + +1.408.515.aacc
15:04:55 <mmartin3> ...SDP-US published http://www.w3.org/TR/ttml10-sdp-us/
15:05:04 <mmartin3> ...TTML 1.0 SE draft published
15:05:14 <mmartin3> ...Quantify TTML 1.0.
15:06:08 <mmartin3> ....1.0 issues to address in 1.1.
15:06:23 <mmartin3> TOPIC: Issues
15:06:34 <mmartin3> Issue-156?
15:06:34 <trackbot> ISSUE-156 -- semantics of missing #feature -- open
15:06:34 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/156
15:08:22 <mmartin3> mike: Should we discuss if #profile is author or for decoder?
15:08:42 <mmartin3> sean: Player is a known feature but wasn't originally envisioned.
15:08:50 <mmartin3> ...Include in TTML 1.1.
15:09:20 <mmartin3> mike: Not an authoring profile but a directive to the processor to reject the document if features aren't supported.
15:09:47 <mmartin3> mmartin3: Glenn's proposal Actiion 53. http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/53
15:09:57 <mmartin3> mike: Address in 1.1 agreed.
15:10:35 <mmartin3> mmartin3: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/rev/81b0eec0faae Draft Glenn posted.
15:11:50 <Zakim> - +1.617.347.aabb
15:12:07 <mmartin3> sean: Issue-156 is TTML 1.1. Label as such.
15:12:35 <mmartin3> s/1.1/1.0.
15:12:59 <mmartin3> ...Issue-156 is in progress and close Feb 14.
15:13:03 <mmartin3> Issue-157?
15:13:03 <trackbot> ISSUE-157 -- transformation profile -- open
15:13:03 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/157
15:14:25 <mmartin3> mike: Defer to TTMl 1.1.
15:14:29 <mmartin3> sean: Agreed.
15:14:42 <mmartin3> ...Issue-157 is TTML 1.1.
15:14:52 <mmartin3> pal: Aspect ratio discussion?
15:15:11 <mmartin3> sean: Get Netflix to join the meeting.
15:15:23 <Zakim> + +1.617.347.aadd
15:16:00 <mmartin3> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:16:00 <Zakim> On the phone I see mmartin3, sean, Frans_deJong_EBU_, mike, pal, Plh, +1.408.515.aacc, +1.617.347.aadd
15:17:20 <mmartin3> zakim, aadd is mjordan
15:17:20 <Zakim> +mjordan; got it
15:17:46 <mmartin3> mmartin: aacc is David Ronca for Netflix
15:18:01 <Zakim> - +1.408.515.aacc
15:18:09 <mmartin3> sean: Defer Issue-157 to Feb 14.
15:18:11 <mmartin3> Issue-162?
15:18:11 <trackbot> ISSUE-162 -- profile discrepancy -- open
15:18:11 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/162
15:19:26 <mmartin3> mike: Could handle in SE.
15:20:18 <mmartin3> sean: Agree. Address Issue-162 in TTML 1.0 SE.
15:20:41 <mmartin3> sean: Can you identify the discrepancies in profile definiton in TTML 1.0?
15:20:59 <mmartin3> mike: My questions were with the full dxfp.
15:21:05 <mmartin3> sean: Discuss Feb 14.
15:22:22 <mmartin3> Action Sean Call for Action to identify discrepancies in TTML 1.0 on different profiles.
15:22:22 <trackbot> Created ACTION-141 - Call for Action to identify discrepancies in TTML 1.0 on different profiles. [on Sean Hayes - due 2013-02-14].
15:22:32 <mmartin3> Issue-163?
15:22:32 <trackbot> ISSUE-163 -- Clarify use of cell units in certain properties -- open
15:22:32 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/163
15:23:29 <mmartin3> sean: Some properties need clarification on what direction they are working in.
15:23:37 <mmartin3> ..Will work on to place on agenda for Feb 14.
15:24:01 <mmartin3> Issue-166?
15:24:01 <trackbot> ISSUE-166 -- authoritative schemaLocation for authoritative schemas like TTML -- open
15:24:01 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/166
15:24:25 <mmartin3> sean: Where schemas live.
15:24:53 <mmartin3> sean: PLH was is the common practice to reference schemas?
15:25:24 <mmartin3> ...Which is definitive one?
15:25:48 <mmartin3> plh: Make them informative outside of the specification to allow them to exist in one place and maintain.
15:25:55 <mmartin3> ...Changing practices over the years.
15:26:00 <mmartin3> ...Easier to maintain.
15:26:19 <mmartin3> sean: Remove from SE and then point to schemas.
15:26:36 <mmartin3> ...Open .xsd that can be referenced from tools.
15:26:45 <mmartin3> mike: Current annexes with schemas are normative.
15:27:16 <mmartin3> sean: Normative proose not XML.
15:27:22 <mmartin3> s/proose/prose
15:27:45 <mmartin3> ...Don't preempt the text.
15:28:08 <mmartin3> plh: We're not changing an implementation or the semantics.
15:29:11 <mmartin3> mike: What about the multiple files that exist for TTML?
15:29:52 <mmartin3> ...Common location for .zip
15:31:32 <Zakim> -mjordan
15:31:53 <Zakim> +mjordan
15:32:05 <mmartin3> plh: Remove the text from the specification and PLH to provide location of the schemas.
15:32:27 <mmartin3> Resolved to remove the text from the specification and PLH to provide location of the schemas for TTML 1.0 SE.
15:32:41 <mmartin3> Action Glenn Remove the text from the specification and PLH to provide location of the schemas.
15:32:42 <trackbot> Created ACTION-142 - Remove the text from the specification and PLH to provide location of the schemas. [on Glenn Adams - due 2013-02-14].
15:32:56 <mmartin3> Action PLH to Provide location to Glenn for unwrapped schemas.
15:32:56 <trackbot> Created ACTION-143 - Provide location to Glenn for unwrapped schemas. [on Philippe Le Hégaret - due 2013-02-14].
15:33:42 <mmartin3> Issue-168?
15:33:42 <trackbot> ISSUE-168 -- Padding on tt:p and tt:span elements -- open
15:33:42 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/168
15:34:20 <mmartin3> sean: This should be against TTML 1.1.
15:35:38 <mmartin3> mmartin3: Done.
15:36:08 <mmartin3> ...TTML.next.
15:36:26 <mmartin3> Issue-170?
15:36:26 <trackbot> ISSUE-170 -- Section 5.2 para 8 is vague regarding optionality of specifying profile in case where profile is negotiated/determined by 'document interchange process' -- open
15:36:26 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/170
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15:39:39 <mmartin3> sean: Issue indicates Glenn added text to TTML 1.0 SE.
15:39:42 <mmartin3> ...In progress.
15:40:08 <mmartin3> ...Address Feb 14 if Glenn is present.
15:40:56 <mmartin3> Issue-172?
15:40:56 <trackbot> ISSUE-172 -- REGION-OF(E) pseudo-code doesn't match prose -- open
15:40:56 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/172
15:41:07 <mmartin3> sean: Glenn is working on that one. Defer. TTML 1.0 SE scope.
15:41:36 <mmartin3> mike: Issue-171?
15:42:14 <mmartin3> mmartin3: Glenn did post in Sept 2012: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/rev/94e02f131542
15:42:20 <mmartin3> Issue-171?
15:42:20 <trackbot> ISSUE-171 -- need to clarify meaning of "prune" in 9.3.2 -- pending review
15:42:20 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/171
15:43:06 <mmartin3> sean: Sean reads the text that Glenn proposed: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/rev/94e02f131542
15:43:12 <mmartin3> ...Reasonable.
15:43:19 <mmartin3> mike: Agreed.
15:43:49 <mmartin3> Closed Issue-171 based on Glenn's text and integrate into TTML 1.0 SE: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/rev/94e02f131542.
15:44:16 <mmartin3> Issue-173?
15:44:16 <trackbot> ISSUE-173 -- presentation semantics of control characters and other unmapped characters -- open
15:44:16 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/173
15:44:43 <mmartin3> sean: Defer to TTML 1.1.
15:45:37 <mmartin3> Issue-175?
15:45:37 <trackbot> ISSUE-175 -- media type and file extension not registered -- open
15:45:37 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/175
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15:45:55 <mmartin3> mike: Provided text in Dec 2012. Glenn rejected the text last week.
15:46:06 <mmartin3> sean: Will review comments from Glenn.
15:46:10 <mmartin3> ...TTML 1.0 SE.
15:46:17 <mmartin3> Issue-178?
15:46:17 <trackbot> ISSUE-178 -- initial values and style set calculations are unclear, especially for transformable attributes -- open
15:46:17 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/178
15:47:05 <mmartin3> mike: 8.4 doesn't handle initial values for attributes.
15:47:21 <mmartin3> sean: Glenn is aware of the problem.
15:47:54 <mmartin3> Action Glenn Respond to Issue-178 from Dolan.
15:47:54 <trackbot> Created ACTION-144 - Respond to Issue-178 from Dolan. [on Glenn Adams - due 2013-02-14].
15:48:06 <mmartin3> Issue-179?
15:48:06 <trackbot> ISSUE-179 -- Interpreting the pixel measure -- open
15:48:06 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/179
15:49:02 <mmartin3> sean: Propose to add to discussion Feb 14. Action to me to propose revisions.
15:49:29 <mmartin3> Issue-180?
15:49:30 <trackbot> ISSUE-180 -- regions relative to the root container -- open
15:49:30 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/180
15:50:34 <mmartin3> mike: Glenn felt strongly about leaving it unconstrained but addressed in SDP-US.
15:51:26 <mmartin3> ...Negative extents?
15:51:44 <mmartin3> sean: May be more than one interpretation on the semantics.
15:51:53 <mmartin3> ...Not constrain TTML.
15:52:08 <mmartin3> mike: Wouldn't know what to do with negative extents.
15:52:30 <mmartin3> sean: Postiion above the video and dependent on display processor if it is clipped.
15:53:43 <mmartin3> ...Say negative extents don't mean anything. Should we prohibit?
15:53:53 <mmartin3> s/Postiion/Position
15:54:06 <mmartin3> ...Ask Glenn to clarify if negative extents remain.
15:54:50 <mmartin3> ...Make non-negative integer.
15:55:20 <mmartin3> Action Glenn to identify if he would support a negative extent based on discussion to Issue-180?
15:55:20 <trackbot> Created ACTION-145 - Identify if he would support a negative extent based on discussion to Issue-180? [on Glenn Adams - due 2013-02-14].
15:56:27 <mmartin3> mmartin3: Issue indicates we would clarify in TTML 1.0 SE and address more substantively in TTML 1.1.
15:56:46 <mmartin3> mike: Need to resolve negative extent.
15:57:22 <mmartin3> sean: Moving the region off the root container should be fine. Negative extent is not well defined however.
15:57:57 <mmartin3> ...Could handle if XSD handles this.
15:58:07 <mmartin3> s/XSD/XSL-FO
15:59:18 <mmartin3> sean: No other issues for today.
15:59:25 <mmartin3> ...No other business.
15:59:35 <mmartin3> ...Traveling for a couple of weeks. Interim chair?
15:59:37 <mmartin3> ...Adjourn.
15:59:46 <mmartin3> zakim, list attendees
15:59:46 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been sean, +41.22.717.aaaa, mike, mmartin3, pal, Frans_deJong_EBU_, +1.617.347.aabb, Plh, +1.408.515.aacc, +1.617.347.aadd, mjordan
15:59:50 <Zakim> -Plh
15:59:51 <Zakim> -Frans_deJong_EBU_
15:59:51 <Zakim> -mjordan
15:59:52 <mmartin3> trackbot, end meeting
15:59:52 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
15:59:53 <Zakim> -mike
15:59:53 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been sean, +41.22.717.aaaa, mike, mmartin3, pal, Frans_deJong_EBU_, +1.617.347.aabb, Plh, +1.408.515.aacc, +1.617.347.aadd, mjordan
15:59:54 <Zakim> -pal
15:59:55 <Zakim> -sean
16:00:00 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:00:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/07-tt-minutes.html trackbot
16:00:01 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
16:00:01 <RRSAgent> I see no action items