IRC log of html-a11y on 2013-02-07

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ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM scheduled to start 59 minutes ago
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Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
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Date: 07 February 2013
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WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has now started
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16:00:45 [hober]
Zakim, Apple is me
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+hober; got it
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zakim, ??P12 is Léonie_Watson
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+Léonie_Watson; got it
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zakim, ??p13 is Steve_Faulkner
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+Steve_Faulkner; got it
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agenda+ Identify Scribe
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agenda+ Longdesc Extension Update
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agenda+ Status of "alt" text in HTML (specification and usage in the document)
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agenda+ Media Bugs (Continued)
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agenda+ Text Bugs
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agenda+ Subteam Reports: Bug Triage; AAPI Mapping;
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agenda+ Actions Review
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agenda+ Other Business
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agenda+ Identify Scribe for the next TF teleconference
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agenda+ be done
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zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc
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+paulc; got it
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scribe: LeonieWatson
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zakim, take up item 1
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agendum 1. "Identify Scribe" taken up [from Stevef]
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zakim, close item 1
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agendum 1, Identify Scribe, closed
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I see 9 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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2. Longdesc Extension Update [from Stevef]
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zakim, next item
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agendum 2. "Longdesc Extension Update" taken up [from Stevef]
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JB: Status is that there are gaps, and we're aiming to have agreement about the changes needed by this coming Monday.
16:07:09 [paulc]
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ack paulc
16:08:16 [LeonieWatson]
PC: Suggest one of the TF chairs send a note to the WG list, as last week on the WG call we were expecting this to be ready tomorrow.
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SF: Ok.
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zakim, next item
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agendum 3. "Status of "alt" text in HTML (specification and usage in the document)" taken up [from Stevef]
16:09:40 [LeonieWatson]
SF: Status is that Janina needs to respond to Robin about this.
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SF: General message from Robin was to file bugs and we'll get it moving.
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16:10:21 [paulc]
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JF: Are you still taking bugs on that document?
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SF: Yes.
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ack paulc
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PC: John, it's Alt text in HTML that's blocked.
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JF: Thanks, will follow up with Steve.
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zakim, ??P16 is Janina_Sajka
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+Janina_Sajka; got it
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JS: I have a draft response to Robin that's almost ready.
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JS: I want to be sure we're clear about all the pieces before we respond.
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JS: I'm not sure we've evaluated everything.
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ack paulc
16:14:47 [LeonieWatson]
PC: I'm a little flabbergasted. Several times on this call we've discussed solving specific problems. Why can't we just file bugs on the simple stuff?
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JS: On the alt text in the spec, yes we can. The authoring guidance is the problem. If we could remove that guidance and replace it with Steve's document...
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PC: Let's not delay filing bugs on the second part of the doc, let's get them filed and fixed.
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JS: I don't see a problem, providing we understand that's only part of what we need to address.
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ack judy
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JB: Agree with Paul, but we do need to address the authoring guidance too.
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I have made the request to generate LeonieWatson
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zakim, next item
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agendum 4. "Media Bugs (Continued)" taken up [from Stevef]
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-> Media bugs discussion from last week
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JF: We can let this one go.
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zakim, ??p15 is Janina_Sajka
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+Janina_Sajka; got it
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SF: Silvia is happy to close thise one.
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ack paulc
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works for me
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16:32:23 [Judy]
--- Text bug processing background, update, and links ---
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Leonie's Dec 4 bug processing request to text subteam
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List of text bugs to process
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Minutes from initial processing round of 11 Dec 2012
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which documented recommended actions on the following bugs
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9216, 10642, 13461, 13727, 13728
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but also resulted in a request for additional bugzilla component to more clearly tag things to the TF
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16:34:50 [MichaelC]
zakim, Ipcaller is Léonie_Watson
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+Léonie_Watson; got it
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JB: Was a component added that would help us tag these bugs?
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JS: We have an HTML A11y component now I think.
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PC: My concern is that all other components are aligned to specs, and this one wouldn't be. I don't undertand why you'd have a component that doesn't relate to a specific spec.
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zakim, who's on the phone?
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On the phone I see hober, Michael_Cooper, Steve_Faulkner, John_Foliot, [Microsoft], Judy, Janina_Sajka, Cynthia_Shelly, Léonie_Watson
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[Microsoft] has paulc
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TOC: I wonder if we could just assign to specific people?
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PC: That's what the assignee field is for.
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate LeonieWatson
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List of text bugs to process
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Minutes from initial processing round of 11 Dec 2012
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which documented recommended actions on the following bugs
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9216, 10642, 13461, 13727, 13728
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JB: 9215, suggested deferring this to 5.1.
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PC: Choose HTML 5.0 for the 5.1 spec, and HTML CR for HTML 5.0.
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-> Bugs organization (view entire thread for full context)
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16:47:25 [LeonieWatson]
JB: Reopend in HTML spec. That's ok.
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PC: Seems this is related to alt techniques in HTML?
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SF: The bug says these things are missing from the spec.
16:48:13 [LeonieWatson]
PC: Wonder if the alt spec should point to this bug?
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SF: Ok.
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JF: Poster alt.
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JB: Status?
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JF: The issue of poster and short/long descriptions was escalated to an issue, and the issue was deferred.
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JF: Thinking was to resolve with ARIA. So think we can leave this "as is".
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JB: Can verify.
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JF: Ok, done. Should we remove the tracker keyword?
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PC: Looking it up, this is marked as postponed.
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JB: Thought this one needed a TF component, because it was the sort of thing tha would go into an extension and so wouldn't be tied to the schedules of other components.
16:57:24 [LeonieWatson]
PC: This bug is about longdesc, if you want to put it somewhere... As soon as you get longdesc out the component for this bug should be changed to longdesc.
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zakim, next item
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agendum 5. "Text Bugs" taken up [from Stevef]
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zakim, close item 5
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agendum 5, Text Bugs, closed
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I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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6. Subteam Reports: Bug Triage; AAPI Mapping; [from Stevef]
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zakim, next item
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agendum 6. "Subteam Reports: Bug Triage; AAPI Mapping;" taken up [from Stevef]
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JB: Text team is not meeting at the moment.
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zakim, close item 6
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agendum 6, Subteam Reports: Bug Triage; AAPI Mapping;, closed
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I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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7. Actions Review [from Stevef]
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zakim, next item
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agendum 7. "Actions Review" taken up [from Stevef]
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zakim, close item 7
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agendum 7, Actions Review, closed
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I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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8. Other Business [from Stevef]
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zakim, next item
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agendum 8. "Other Business" taken up [from Stevef]
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PC: Regrets for next week's call.
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rrsagent, makeminutes
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I'm logging. I don't understand 'makeminutes', LeonieWatson. Try /msg RRSAgent help
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate LeonieWatson
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate LeonieWatson
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WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has ended
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Attendees were Michael_Cooper, hober, Léonie_Watson, Steve_Faulkner, Judy, John_Foliot, paulc, Janina_Sajka, Cynthia_Shelly
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