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15:59:42 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM scheduled to start 59 minutes ago
15:59:43 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
15:59:43 <trackbot> Date: 07 February 2013
16:00:32 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has now started
16:00:36 <Zakim> +??P2
16:00:41 <Zakim> +[Apple]
16:00:45 <hober> Zakim, Apple is me
16:00:45 <Zakim> +hober; got it
16:01:05 <Zakim> +??P12
16:01:17 <MichaelC> zakim, ??P12 is Léonie_Watson
16:01:17 <Zakim> +Léonie_Watson; got it
16:01:25 <Zakim> +??P13
16:01:35 <MichaelC> zakim, ??p13 is Steve_Faulkner
16:01:35 <Zakim> +Steve_Faulkner; got it
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16:01:44 <Zakim> +Judy
16:02:07 <Stevef> agenda+ Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List
16:02:08 <Stevef> agenda+ Longdesc Extension Update http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-proposals/raw-file/b63325998cc1/longdesc1/longdesc.html
16:02:10 <Stevef> agenda+ Status of "alt" text in HTML (specification and usage in the document)
16:02:11 <Stevef> agenda+ Media Bugs (Continued) http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2012Nov/0040.html
16:02:13 <Stevef> agenda+ Text Bugs
16:02:14 <Stevef> agenda+ Subteam Reports: Bug Triage; AAPI Mapping;
16:02:16 <Zakim> +John_Foliot
16:02:16 <Stevef> agenda+ Actions Review http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/open
16:02:17 <Stevef> agenda+ Other Business
16:02:19 <Stevef> agenda+ Identify Scribe for the next TF teleconference http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List
16:02:20 <Stevef> agenda+ be done
16:02:21 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
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16:03:31 <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc
16:03:31 <Zakim> +paulc; got it
16:04:39 <LeonieWatson> scribe: LeonieWatson
16:04:49 <LeonieWatson> zakim, take up item 1
16:04:49 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List" taken up [from Stevef]
16:04:56 <LeonieWatson> zakim, close item 1
16:04:56 <Zakim> agendum 1, Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List, closed
16:04:59 <Zakim> I see 9 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:04:59 <Zakim> 2. Longdesc Extension Update http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-proposals/raw-file/b63325998cc1/longdesc1/longdesc.html [from Stevef]
16:05:02 <LeonieWatson> zakim, next item
16:05:04 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Longdesc Extension Update http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-proposals/raw-file/b63325998cc1/longdesc1/longdesc.html" taken up [from Stevef]
16:06:58 <LeonieWatson> JB: Status is that there are gaps, and we're aiming to have agreement about the changes needed by this coming Monday.
16:07:09 <paulc> q+
16:07:31 <Stevef> ack paulc
16:08:16 <LeonieWatson> PC: Suggest one of the TF chairs send a note to the WG list, as last week on the WG call we were expecting this to be ready tomorrow.
16:08:24 <LeonieWatson> SF: Ok.
16:08:51 <LeonieWatson> zakim, next item
16:08:51 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Status of "alt" text in HTML (specification and usage in the document)" taken up [from Stevef]
16:09:40 <LeonieWatson> SF: Status is that Janina needs to respond to Robin about this.
16:10:04 <Zakim> -Judy
16:10:04 <LeonieWatson> SF: General message from Robin was to file bugs and we'll get it moving.
16:10:05 <Zakim> +Judy
16:10:21 <paulc> q+
16:10:25 <LeonieWatson> JF: Are you still taking bugs on that document?
16:10:28 <LeonieWatson> SF: Yes.
16:10:47 <Stevef> ack paulc
16:11:35 <LeonieWatson> PC: John, it's Alt text in HTML that's blocked.
16:11:43 <Zakim> +??P16
16:11:46 <LeonieWatson> JF: Thanks, will follow up with Steve.
16:12:26 <MichaelC> zakim, ??P16 is Janina_Sajka
16:12:26 <Zakim> +Janina_Sajka; got it
16:12:46 <LeonieWatson> JS: I have a draft response to Robin that's almost ready.
16:13:36 <LeonieWatson> JS: I  want to be sure we're clear about all the pieces before we respond.
16:13:50 <paulc> q+
16:13:57 <LeonieWatson> JS: I'm not sure we've evaluated everything.
16:14:04 <Stevef> ack paulc
16:14:47 <LeonieWatson> PC: I'm a little flabbergasted. Several times on this call we've discussed solving specific problems. Why can't we just file bugs on the simple stuff?
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16:15:25 <LeonieWatson> JS: On the alt text in the spec, yes we can. The authoring guidance is the problem. If we could remove that guidance and replace it with Steve's document...
16:15:26 <Judy> q+
16:16:07 <LeonieWatson> PC: Let's not delay filing bugs on the second part of the doc, let's get them filed and fixed.
16:17:00 <LeonieWatson> JS: I don't see a problem, providing we understand that's only part of what we need to address.
16:17:12 <Stevef> ack judy
16:17:38 <LeonieWatson> JB: Agree with Paul, but we do need to address the authoring guidance too.
16:17:46 <LeonieWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
16:17:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/07-html-a11y-minutes.html LeonieWatson
16:18:20 <LeonieWatson> zakim, next item
16:18:20 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Media Bugs (Continued) http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2012Nov/0040.html" taken up [from Stevef]
16:19:21 <MichaelC> -> http://www.w3.org/2013/01/31-html-a11y-minutes#item02 Media bugs discussion from last week
16:20:09 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11593
16:21:15 <LeonieWatson> JF: We can let this one go.
16:21:25 <Zakim> -Janina_Sajka
16:21:50 <Zakim> +??P15
16:22:51 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12545
16:23:01 <MichaelC> zakim, ??p15 is Janina_Sajka
16:23:01 <Zakim> +Janina_Sajka; got it
16:23:57 <LeonieWatson> SF: Silvia is happy to close thise one.
16:24:45 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13692
16:25:02 <Stevef> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13692
16:27:06 <paulc> q+
16:27:19 <Stevef> ack paulc
16:27:25 <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
16:28:01 <Zakim> -Léonie_Watson
16:30:41 <paulc> works for me
16:32:21 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:32:23 <Judy> --- Text bug processing background, update, and links ---
16:32:23 <Judy> Leonie's Dec 4 bug processing request to text subteam
16:32:23 <Judy> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2012Dec/0013.html
16:32:23 <Judy> List of text bugs to process
16:32:23 <Judy> <http://tinyurl.com/ckoq2cd>
16:32:24 <Judy> Minutes from initial processing round of 11 Dec 2012
16:32:25 <Judy> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2012Dec/0054.html
16:32:29 <Judy> which documented recommended actions on the following bugs
16:32:31 <Judy> 9216, 10642, 13461, 13727, 13728
16:32:33 <Judy> but also resulted in a request for additional bugzilla component to more clearly tag things to the TF
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16:34:50 <MichaelC> zakim, Ipcaller is Léonie_Watson
16:34:50 <Zakim> +Léonie_Watson; got it
16:35:22 <LeonieWatson> JB: Was a component added that would help us tag these bugs?
16:36:18 <LeonieWatson> JS: We have an HTML A11y component now I think.
16:37:32 <LeonieWatson> PC: My concern is that all other components are aligned to specs, and this one wouldn't be. I don't undertand why you'd have a component that doesn't relate to a specific spec.
16:38:09 <Judy> zakim, who's on the phone?
16:38:09 <Zakim> On the phone I see hober, Michael_Cooper, Steve_Faulkner, John_Foliot, [Microsoft], Judy, Janina_Sajka, Cynthia_Shelly, Léonie_Watson
16:38:11 <Zakim> [Microsoft] has paulc
16:38:37 <LeonieWatson> TOC: I wonder if we could just assign to specific people?
16:38:45 <LeonieWatson> PC: That's what the assignee field is for.
16:39:16 <LeonieWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
16:39:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/07-html-a11y-minutes.html LeonieWatson
16:40:08 <Judy> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2012Dec/0054.html
16:40:32 <Judy> List of text bugs to process
16:40:33 <Judy> <http://tinyurl.com/ckoq2cd>
16:40:33 <Judy> Minutes from initial processing round of 11 Dec 2012
16:40:33 <Judy> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2012Dec/0054.html
16:40:33 <Judy> which documented recommended actions on the following bugs
16:40:33 <Judy> 9216, 10642, 13461, 13727, 13728
16:41:26 <LeonieWatson> JB: 9215, suggested deferring this to 5.1.
16:42:37 <Judy> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9215
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16:44:06 <LeonieWatson> PC: Choose HTML 5.0 for the 5.1 spec, and HTML CR for HTML 5.0.
16:46:48 <MichaelC> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013Jan/0014.html Bugs organization (view entire thread for full context)
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16:47:25 <LeonieWatson> JB: Reopend in HTML spec. That's ok.
16:47:44 <LeonieWatson> PC: Seems this is related to alt techniques in HTML?
16:48:05 <LeonieWatson> SF: The bug says these things are missing from the spec.
16:48:13 <LeonieWatson> PC: Wonder if the alt spec should point to this bug?
16:48:17 <LeonieWatson> SF: Ok.
16:49:13 <LeonieWatson> JF: Poster alt.
16:49:20 <LeonieWatson> JB: Status?
16:49:45 <LeonieWatson> JF: The issue of poster and short/long descriptions was escalated to an issue, and the issue was deferred.
16:50:09 <LeonieWatson> JF: Thinking was to resolve with ARIA. So think we can leave this "as is".
16:54:51 <LeonieWatson> JB: Can verify.
16:55:01 <LeonieWatson> JF: Ok, done. Should we remove the tracker keyword?
16:55:12 <LeonieWatson> PC: Looking it up, this is marked as postponed.
16:55:15 <Judy> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13461
16:56:35 <Zakim> -John_Foliot
16:56:36 <LeonieWatson> JB: Thought this one needed a TF component, because it was the sort of thing tha would go into an extension and so wouldn't be tied to the schedules of other components.
16:57:24 <LeonieWatson> PC: This bug is about longdesc, if you want to put it somewhere... As soon as you get longdesc out the component for this bug should be changed to longdesc.
16:58:28 <LeonieWatson> zakim, next item
16:58:28 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Text Bugs" taken up [from Stevef]
16:58:37 <LeonieWatson> zakim, close item 5
16:58:37 <Zakim> agendum 5, Text Bugs, closed
16:58:38 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:58:38 <Zakim> 6. Subteam Reports: Bug Triage; AAPI Mapping; [from Stevef]
16:58:47 <LeonieWatson> zakim, next item
16:58:47 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Subteam Reports: Bug Triage; AAPI Mapping;" taken up [from Stevef]
16:58:58 <LeonieWatson> JB: Text team is not meeting at the moment.
16:59:02 <LeonieWatson> zakim, close item 6
16:59:02 <Zakim> agendum 6, Subteam Reports: Bug Triage; AAPI Mapping;, closed
16:59:04 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:59:04 <Zakim> 7. Actions Review http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/open [from Stevef]
16:59:08 <LeonieWatson> zakim, next item
16:59:08 <Zakim> agendum 7. "Actions Review http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/open" taken up [from Stevef]
16:59:18 <LeonieWatson> zakim, close item 7
16:59:18 <Zakim> agendum 7, Actions Review http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/open, closed
16:59:20 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:59:20 <Zakim> 8. Other Business [from Stevef]
16:59:25 <LeonieWatson> zakim, next item
16:59:25 <Zakim> agendum 8. "Other Business" taken up [from Stevef]
16:59:36 <LeonieWatson> PC: Regrets for next week's call.
16:59:50 <LeonieWatson> rrsagent, makeminutes
16:59:50 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'makeminutes', LeonieWatson.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
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16:59:51 <Zakim> -Judy
16:59:53 <Zakim> -hober
16:59:54 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
16:59:59 <LeonieWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
16:59:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/07-html-a11y-minutes.html LeonieWatson
16:59:59 <Zakim> -Janina_Sajka
17:00:00 <Zakim> -Steve_Faulkner
17:00:02 <Zakim> -Léonie_Watson
17:00:38 <LeonieWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
17:00:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/07-html-a11y-minutes.html LeonieWatson
17:00:59 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
17:01:00 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has ended
17:01:00 <Zakim> Attendees were Michael_Cooper, hober, Léonie_Watson, Steve_Faulkner, Judy, John_Foliot, paulc, Janina_Sajka, Cynthia_Shelly
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