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21:58:22 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be INDIE
21:58:22 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see WAI_Indie()5:00PM already started
21:58:23 <trackbot> Meeting: Independent User Interface Task Force Teleconference
21:58:23 <trackbot> Date: 06 February 2013
21:58:23 <Zakim> +??P0
21:58:28 <janina> zakim, who's on the phone?
21:58:28 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P0
21:58:29 <Zakim> +??P1
21:58:49 <janina> zakim, ??P0 is Janina_Sajka
21:58:49 <Zakim> +Janina_Sajka; got it
21:59:02 <janina> zakim, ??P1 is Jason_White
21:59:02 <Zakim> +Jason_White; got it
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21:59:19 <janina> Meeting: IndieUI Task Force Teleconference
21:59:19 <janina> Chair: Janina_Sajka
21:59:19 <janina> agenda+ Telecon Time Settled!
21:59:19 <janina> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-indie-ui/2013Feb/0000.html
21:59:19 <janina> agenda+ Illustration Feedback for EOWG
21:59:21 <janina> http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/Drafts/indieui-draft.php
21:59:22 <Zakim> +??P2
21:59:24 <janina> agenda+ User Module Update
21:59:26 <janina> agenda+ Editor's Update
21:59:29 <janina> agenda+ Closed Issues https://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/track/actions/closed
21:59:31 <janina> agenda+ Open Issues https://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/track/actions/open
21:59:34 <janina> agenda+ Scribe for our Next Teleconference (on 20 February at 22:00Z)
21:59:37 <janina> agenda+ Be Done
21:59:49 <richardschwerdtfeger> what is the call-in passcode?
22:00:06 <Zakim> +Shawn
22:00:13 <shawn> zakim, code?
22:00:13 <Zakim> the conference code is 46343 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), shawn
22:00:20 <janina>  yrich, passcode is 46343#
22:00:42 <Zakim> + +1.408.423.aaaa
22:00:58 <hober> Zakim, aaaa is me
22:00:58 <Zakim> +hober; got it
22:01:20 <Zakim> +??P6
22:01:24 <MichaelC> zakim, ??P6 is Michael_Cooper
22:01:24 <Zakim> +Michael_Cooper; got it
22:01:33 <Zakim> +Rich
22:03:40 <MichaelC> zakim, ??P2 is Andy_Heath
22:03:40 <Zakim> +Andy_Heath; got it
22:03:43 <janina> zakim, pick a victim
22:03:43 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Janina_Sajka
22:03:57 <janina> zakim, pick a victim
22:03:57 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Janina_Sajka
22:04:09 <Zakim> +Katie_Haritos_Shea
22:04:30 <janina> zakim, pick a victim
22:04:30 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Jason_White
22:04:49 <Ryladog> Ryladog has joined #indie-ui
22:04:58 <janina> scribe: jason_white
22:05:05 <janina> zakim, take up item 1
22:05:05 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Telecon Time Settled!" taken up [from janina]
22:06:31 <jasonjgw> Janina confirmed the regular meeting time of 2200Z and noted increased participation sparked by publication of the events module.
22:06:45 <jasonjgw> zakim, next
22:06:45 <Zakim> I don't understand 'next', jasonjgw
22:06:53 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
22:06:53 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Illustration Feedback for EOWG" taken up [from janina]
22:06:58 <shawn> http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/Drafts/indieui-draft.php
22:08:06 <jasonjgw> Feedback requested on draft illustrative image of IndieUI Events; User Contexts may come later.
22:08:36 <jasonjgw> Shawn hopes alt text is sufficient, but may be improved.
22:09:25 <shawn> s/but may be improved./but happy to provide additional description for discussion here./
22:09:42 <jasonjgw> Comments from participants regarding the illustration itself are generally favourable.
22:10:56 <jasonjgw> Query from Shawn as to wehther scrolling with a keyboard should be added to the illustration.
22:12:58 <jasonjgw> Discussion of appropriate use of "assistive technologies" and "users' needs and preferences" in the illustration.
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22:13:39 <jasonjgw> Agreement: to employ the term "users' needs and preferences" as this is standard vocabulary.
22:13:46 <Zakim> -Shawn
22:13:55 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
22:13:55 <Zakim> agendum 3. "User Module Update" taken up [from janina]
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22:15:16 <jasonjgw> Referring to the document circulated on list: needs/preferences based on Access for All spec.
22:15:45 <Zakim> +James_Craig
22:16:28 <jasonjgw> The needs/preferences are expressed as token values and refinements thereof, allowing an application to make the best match to the user's requirements.
22:17:05 <MichaelC> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-indie-ui/2013Feb/0022.html
22:17:06 <jasonjgw> Certain values are mutually inconsistent and there are issues of error handling to be addressed.
22:17:18 <MichaelC> regrets: Sangwhan_Moon
22:17:34 <jasonjgw> Properties are defined in terms of modalities (e.g., auditory).
22:17:51 <MichaelC> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-indie-ui/2013Feb/0025.html Proposed Set of Needs/Preferences for v1 (view attachment)
22:19:07 <jasonjgw> Examples are in section 1.2.1.
22:20:19 <jasonjgw> The application determines a best fit to the asserted needs/preferences based on the customizations possible on the platform, for example.
22:21:29 <jasonjgw> Examples: captions and long descriptions of visual media.
22:22:36 <jasonjgw> It is suggested that vibration examples for mobile devices should be added to this section.
22:22:51 <jcraig> q+ to suggest we discuss this after we've had a chance to review the document. Going through line-by-line may not be the best use of call time.
22:23:31 <jasonjgw> Sign language tracks may be used as alternatives to text.
22:24:23 <jasonjgw> Example - visual for textual: illustrative diagrams may complement textual material.
22:25:07 <jcraig> q-
22:25:24 <jasonjgw> Clarification: in section 1.3.11 of document.
22:28:18 <jasonjgw> An issue arises of whether a precedence order should be definable among the needs/preferences.
22:29:15 <jasonjgw> Vibration illustrates tactile for auditory substitution.
22:30:37 <jasonjgw> Language adaptation: a preference for a natural language can be given - especially important in educational contexts.
22:30:44 <janina> q?
22:32:34 <jasonjgw> hazards: flashing, flicker, etc., can be controlled; similarly for motion suppression and auditory stimuli.
22:34:07 <jasonjgw> Section 1.3.20: simple presentation, e.g., allows a desktop application to deliver the interface that would be presented to mobile devices, and which is simpler than the default desktop interface.
22:35:01 <janina> q?
22:35:01 <jasonjgw> Extensibility of the vocabulary is not yet addressed in this document. Also missing is a vehicle for notification when one of the need/preference values changes.
22:35:09 <janina> q+
22:35:32 <jasonjgw> The purpose of the document was to make the vocabulary as small and concise as possible; much work remains to be done.
22:36:23 <jasonjgw> This vocabulary represents the core of the personalization seen in educational contexts, derived from extensive work in this area.
22:36:33 <janina> ack jan
22:36:49 <janina> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-indie-ui/2013Feb/0026.html
22:37:08 <jasonjgw> Discussion:
22:38:03 <jcraig> q+
22:38:15 <jasonjgw> Janina refers to an issue raised on the mailing list of how this work relates to the direction taken in ongoing browser development.
22:38:28 <Ryladog> q+
22:39:09 <jcraig> ack me
22:40:18 <richardschwerdtfeger> q+
22:40:45 <jasonjgw> Suggests that the list of preferences can be seen as a list of preferences which are meaningful in current implementations and that some items may need to be deferred to a later version depending on implementation support.
22:40:53 <MichaelC> ack jason
22:42:15 <MichaelC> ack ry
22:42:26 <Zakim> -Janina_Sajka
22:42:31 <MichaelC> zakim, mute jason
22:42:31 <Zakim> Jason_White was already muted, MichaelC
22:43:11 <MichaelC> q+ to talk about planning v.next early on so we can prioritize and defer
22:43:22 <jcraig> q+
22:43:24 <MichaelC> ack rich
22:43:31 <jasonjgw> Jason clarifies that the question raised on the list is how the UA receives the needs/preferences from the user/platform, whether via a protocol/API or via the UI and that there are significant issues to be resolved here.
22:45:17 <jasonjgw> Rich suggests taht the preferences be gathered via the browser and that there may be innovative solutions developed for mobile devices. Preferences may be configured in the device - initial data may be retrieved from a server, e.g., GPII (Global Public Inclusive Infrastructure).
22:45:58 <MichaelC> ack me
22:45:58 <Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to talk about planning v.next early on so we can prioritize and defer
22:47:17 <MichaelC> ack j
22:47:18 <jasonjgw> Michael: notes that concerns have been expressed regarding scope creep and capabilities that may need to be deferred to a post-1.0 version.
22:48:41 <jasonjgw> James notes that many of the needs/preferences specified in the document are not currently implemented in operating systems and that mechanisms are needed to collect the information and disclose it via this module.
22:48:55 <richardschwerdtfeger> q+
22:48:55 <Ryladog> KHS: Been following this work for many year, has been mostly implemented through metedata that points to resources. It will be complex trying to implement this in the spec, but it is the essense of what users do need and therefore completely relevant to WAI and IndieUI
22:49:21 <jasonjgw> There is an issue of whether API-level changes in operating systems are needed/desired.
22:49:56 <MichaelC> ack ric
22:51:14 <jasonjgw> Rich notes that some requirements, e.g., simplification, are not dependent on the operating system but rather on the application.
22:51:15 <MichaelC> ack jas
22:53:10 <andy> q+
22:53:19 <MichaelC> ack a
22:53:30 <Ryladog> q+
22:54:33 <jasonjgw> Jason suggests that the operating system dependency may occur in the collection/establishment of needs and preferences but that the module's purpose is to allow the Web application to satisfy those user needs/preferences. Hence the OS need not be involved in satisfying needs/preferences but may play a role (outside the scope of the specification, perhaps) in how they are collected, ultimately from the user.
22:54:45 <MichaelC> ack r
22:55:51 <jasonjgw> Michael summarizes: the proposal has been introduced and its scope discussed; he recommends continuation of this discussion on the list, including the question of scope as applied to the user contexts spec.
22:56:28 <jasonjgw> He proposes to instigate further scope discussion on the list and the agenda for future meetings.
22:57:14 <MichaelC> zakim, next item
22:57:14 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Editor's Update" taken up [from janina]
22:57:31 <MichaelC> zakim, drop item 5
22:57:31 <Zakim> agendum 5, Closed Issues https://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/track/actions/closed, dropped
22:57:33 <jasonjgw> James: no updates.
22:57:45 <MichaelC> zakim, close this item
22:57:45 <Zakim> agendum 4 closed
22:57:46 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
22:57:46 <Zakim> 6. Open Issues https://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/track/actions/open [from janina]
22:57:48 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
22:57:48 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Open Issues https://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/track/actions/open" taken up [from janina]
22:57:51 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/track/actions/open Open Actions
22:58:42 <jasonjgw> James indicates that the current priority is to work on user contexts rather than Events issues.
22:59:12 <MichaelC> close action-18
22:59:12 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-18 Summarize important or common preferences/keys list from AfA/APIP/GPII, etc. and send to the IndieUI group for discussion and potential inclusion in the User Context deliverable..
22:59:30 <jasonjgw> Action 18 closed by posted document (discussed earlier in meeting).
22:59:30 <trackbot> Error finding '18'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/track/users>.
23:00:00 <jasonjgw> Action 32: left open - needs clarification from earlier minutes.
23:00:00 <trackbot> Error finding '32'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/track/users>.
23:00:08 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/track/issues/open Open Issues
23:00:15 <Zakim> -hober
23:01:30 <jasonjgw> Michael enumerates open issues, noting that they should be classified by product in future meetings.
23:02:33 <jasonjgw> Michael proposes to instigate activity on these issues.
23:03:51 <jasonjgw> Michael recommends continuing discussion on list.
23:03:56 <Zakim> -Katie_Haritos_Shea
23:04:02 <Zakim> -James_Craig
23:04:04 <Zakim> -Andy_Heath
23:04:11 <MichaelC> zakim, list attendees]
23:04:11 <Zakim> I don't understand 'list attendees]', MichaelC
23:04:14 <MichaelC> zakim, list attendees
23:04:14 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Janina_Sajka, Jason_White, Shawn, +1.408.423.aaaa, hober, Michael_Cooper, Rich, Andy_Heath, Katie_Haritos_Shea, James_Craig
23:04:24 <jasonjgw> zakim, list attendees
23:04:24 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Janina_Sajka, Jason_White, Shawn, +1.408.423.aaaa, hober, Michael_Cooper, Rich, Andy_Heath, Katie_Haritos_Shea, James_Craig
23:04:55 <Zakim> -Rich
23:04:57 <jasonjgw> rrsagent, make minutes
23:04:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/06-indie-ui-minutes.html jasonjgw
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23:06:22 <Zakim> -Jason_White
23:06:24 <Zakim> WAI_Indie()5:00PM has ended
23:06:24 <Zakim> Attendees were Janina_Sajka, Jason_White, Shawn, +1.408.423.aaaa, hober, Michael_Cooper, Rich, Andy_Heath, Katie_Haritos_Shea, James_Craig
23:21:57 <MichaelC> zakim, by
23:21:57 <Zakim> I don't understand 'by', MichaelC
23:21:59 <MichaelC> zakim, bye
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23:22:00 <MichaelC> rrsagent, bye
23:22:00 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2013/02/06-indie-ui-actions.rdf :
23:22:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: 32 to left open - needs clarification from earlier minutes. [1]
23:22:00 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/02/06-indie-ui-irc#T23-00-00