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15:56:12 RRSAgent, make logs world
15:56:14 Zakim, this will be 2119
15:56:14 ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM scheduled to start 56 minutes ago
15:56:15 Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
15:56:15 Date: 31 January 2013
15:57:05 zakim, this will be WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)
15:57:05 ok, janina; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM scheduled to start 57 minutes ago
15:57:19 Meeting: HTML-A11Y Task Force Teleconference
15:57:19 Chair: Janina_Sajka
15:57:19 agenda+ Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List
15:57:22 agenda+ Media Bugs (Continued) http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2012Nov/0040.html
15:57:25 agenda+ Text Bugs
15:57:28 agenda+ Subteam Reports: Bug Triage; AAPI Mapping;
15:57:30 agenda+ Longdesc Extension Update http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-proposals/raw-file/b63325998cc1/longdesc1/longdesc.html
15:57:33 agenda+ Status of "alt" text in HTML (specification and usage in the document)
15:57:36 agenda+ Actions Review http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/open
15:57:39 agenda+ Other Business
15:57:41 agenda+ Identify Scribe for the next TF teleconference http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List
15:57:44 agenda+ be done
15:58:09 WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has now started
15:58:16 +??P6
15:58:25 IanPouncey has joined #html-a11y
15:58:25 zakim, ??P6 is Janina_Sajka
15:58:25 +Janina_Sajka; got it
15:58:39 zakim, next item
15:58:39 agendum 3. "Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List" taken up [from janina]
15:59:05 +[IPcaller]
15:59:15 Zakim, IPcaller is me
15:59:15 +IanPouncey; got it
15:59:32 +hober
15:59:42 paulc has joined #html-a11y
15:59:50 zakim, what is the code?
15:59:50 the conference code is 2119 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), paulc
16:00:22 +[Microsoft]
16:00:54 +[IPcaller]
16:01:24 zakim, [IPcaller] is me
16:01:24 +Stevef; got it
16:02:18 +John_Foliot
16:03:21 JF has joined #html-a11y
16:03:41 +[IPcaller]
16:04:32 zakim, +[IPcaller] is Leonie
16:04:32 sorry, janina, I do not recognize a party named '+[IPcaller]'
16:04:33 +Judy
16:04:39 LeonieWatson has joined #html-a11y
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16:05:10 zakim, who's here?
16:05:10 On the phone I see Janina_Sajka, IanPouncey, hober, [Microsoft], Stevef, John_Foliot, [IPcaller], Judy
16:05:13 On IRC I see Judy, LeonieWatson, JF, paulc, IanPouncey, RRSAgent, davidb, janina, Stevef, hober2, chaals, MichaelC, Zakim, trackbot
16:05:32 Zakim, IPcaller is LeonieWatson
16:05:33 +LeonieWatson; got it
16:05:39 zakim, [IPCaller] is lwatson
16:05:39 sorry, LeonieWatson, I do not recognize a party named '[IPCaller]'
16:06:12 scribe: JF
16:06:38 Zakim, Agenda
16:06:38 I don't understand 'Agenda', JF
16:06:46 zalim, take up item 1
16:06:49 agenda?
16:07:15 Zakim, Take up item 4
16:07:15 agendum 4. "Media Bugs (Continued) http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2012Nov/0040.html" taken up [from janina]
16:08:33 SF: looking at @poster bug
16:08:51 +??P28
16:09:29 zakim, code?
16:09:29 the conference code is 2119 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), chaals
16:09:45 +??P36
16:09:47 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13333
16:09:57 zakim, ??p36 is me
16:09:57 +chaals; got it
16:10:30 zakim, mute DarthVader
16:10:30 sorry, chaals, I do not know which phone connection belongs to DarthVader
16:11:11 SF: looking ast the parameters bug
16:11:27 appears to have been resolved amicably in the WG, suggest we move on
16:12:42 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12228
16:12:43 Bug 12228
16:13:12 +Cynthia_Shelly
16:13:53 SF: Sounds like if someone wants to write an extension spec they can.
16:14:27 JF: We didn't expand the use cases for longdesc...
16:14:47 JS: I didn't think alt was applicable to media elements either. Not sure this should be an extension.
16:15:58 JF: If we want to add text equivalence to video we have aria-describedby, but it's not a complete longdesc replacement.
16:16:19 JS: Not comfortable with this bug being closed.
16:16:52 SF: We won't be able to address in 5.0 unless we can get a solution and get implementations.
16:18:04 JF: We need to keep open, we need to work out how to advance an extension spec.
16:19:48 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12546
16:21:36 JF: We can walk away from this one.
16:21:44 SF: Remove the keywords?
16:21:46 JS: Yes.
16:22:19 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13275
16:22:57 Display the controls UI when scripting is disabled
16:22:58 [I think JF has an action to deal with this...]
16:24:34 discussing the controls issue
16:24:56 +Cooper
16:26:40 [I'm with Steve. The editor answer is not to do what John is suggesting happens, and Shelley is complaining about that]
16:27:19 Chaals: if what the bug says is what the spec says, we should close this bug
16:27:56 -Michael_Cooper
16:28:49 Discussion about media players & controls
16:29:22 Chaals: this is a user-agent implementation/requirement
16:30:46 ACTIO: JF to investigate this and report back next week
16:31:01 ACTION: JF to investigate this and report back next week
16:31:01 Created ACTION-154 - Investigate this and report back next week [on John Foliot - due 2013-02-07].
16:31:32 ACTION 154 is on https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13275
16:31:32 Error finding '154'. You can review and register nicknames at .
16:31:42 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13544
16:32:39 Cyns: check back with Silvia
16:32:50 SF: removing keywords
16:33:20 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13546
16:34:29 JF: this is an enhancement, basic req is possible now
16:34:53 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13624
16:36:25 -> suggest closing - the paused-for-user-interaction state was misunderstood
16:36:54 JF: recommend to inform UAWG abo9out this
16:37:11 s/abo9out/about/
16:37:41 JS: we need more experience with media and extended descriptions
16:38:05 ACTION on JF - point UAWG to bug https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13624
16:38:05 Error finding 'on'. You can review and register nicknames at .
16:38:18 ACTION JF - point UAWG to bug https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13624
16:38:18 Created ACTION-155 - - point UAWG to bug https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13624 [on John Foliot - due 2013-02-07].
16:38:34 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12794
16:39:53 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12228
16:40:03 JF: believe this needs to go to the Techniques TF
16:40:56 ACTION LeonieWatson will advise the Techniques TF on bug https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12794
16:40:56 Error finding 'LeonieWatson'. You can review and register nicknames at .
16:41:20 PC: notes 2 other items on agenda, will we look at them at this meeting?
16:41:28 JS: alt and longdesc?
16:41:41 PC: yes - prefer not to leqave this to last 2 minutes
16:42:02 -hober
16:42:07 JB: pause on media one for today, and move to next item?
16:42:11 JS agreed
16:42:42 JS: last media bug looked at is https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12794, defer balance until next week
16:42:59 zakim, take up next item
16:42:59 agendum 3. "Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List" taken up [from janina]
16:43:07 zakim, take up item 5
16:43:07 agendum 5. "Text Bugs" taken up [from janina]
16:43:15 zakim, take up item 6
16:43:15 agendum 6. "Subteam Reports: Bug Triage; AAPI Mapping;" taken up [from janina]
16:43:27 agenda?
16:43:40 zakim, take up item 8
16:43:40 agendum 8. "Status of "alt" text in HTML (specification and usage in the document)" taken up [from janina]
16:44:54 PC: at some point this discussion should go public - trying to understand. There is WG work blocked at this time by this
16:45:23 PC: Cgairs need to understand where this stands in the overall Editorial work
16:45:37 s/Cgairs/Chairs
16:45:50 JS: forwarding an email to Paul
16:46:10 JS: believe next step is to Robin
16:46:17 zakim, take up item 7
16:46:17 agendum 7. "Longdesc Extension Update http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-proposals/raw-file/b63325998cc1/longdesc1/longdesc.html" taken up [from janina]
16:46:37 JS: last time we spoke, needs clarrification on how to address the feedback
16:47:41 when looking at this, some were unclear if we had sufficiently captured why we rejected some feedback - had we been succinct and specific enough?
16:47:59 JS: thus we are being very cautious to ensure we've not missed something
16:48:39 JB: concur - is there any other questions that need to be addressed?
16:48:52 PC: it would be useful to provide a predicted date if we can
16:49:03 JS: good to discuss the topic of predicted date
16:50:03 JB: I think we need another pass - probably a few weeks
16:50:56 JS: quite determined to get to CSUN and say we've handled that
16:52:20 JB: we can probably be ready to share with the group by Tuesday or Wednesday next week, then discuss on Thursday
16:52:50 JB:
16:52:58 +[Apple]
16:53:01 Zakim, Apple is me
16:53:01 +hober; got it
16:53:05 Task Force review of changed summary - TF should review one more tme
16:55:27 I have to go.
16:56:09 -[Microsoft]
16:57:00 JS: target for longdesc extension spec is Feb. 8th, we will have forwarded a reuest for publication
16:57:29 JS: 2 minutes left
16:58:38 -Cynthia_Shelly
16:58:42 -hober
16:58:43 -LeonieWatson
16:58:43 -Cooper
16:58:45 rrsagent, make logs public
16:58:46 -Janina_Sajka
16:58:49 -Judy
16:58:58 -John_Foliot
16:59:01 -IanPouncey
16:59:04 -Stevef
16:59:06 rrsagent, draft minutes
16:59:06 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/01/31-html-a11y-minutes.html JF
16:59:38 zakim, please part
16:59:38 leaving. As of this point the attendees were Janina_Sajka, IanPouncey, hober, [Microsoft], Stevef, John_Foliot, Judy, LeonieWatson, Michael_Cooper, chaals, Cynthia_Shelly, Cooper
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16:59:44 rrsagent, please part
16:59:44 I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2013/01/31-html-a11y-actions.rdf :
16:59:44 ACTION: JF to investigate this and report back next week [1]
16:59:44 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/01/31-html-a11y-irc#T16-31-01