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12:39:21 <fsasaki> meeting: MLW-LT Wg
12:39:22 <fsasaki> chair: felix
12:39:53 <fsasaki> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Jan/0243.html
12:40:25 <fsasaki> regrets: arle, jörg
12:40:43 <fsasaki> topic: roll call
12:40:46 <fsasaki> checking attendance ...
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13:06:00 <fsasaki> scribe: karl
13:06:16 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Jan/0243.html
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13:06:28 <fsasaki> topic: Test suite update
13:06:35 <Ankit> present+ Ankit
13:06:50 <fsasaki> http://tinyurl.com/its20-testsuite-dashboard
13:07:24 <kfritsche> fsasaki: tomorrow M3 for the Testsuite, only 45% coverage currently
13:07:50 <kfritsche> ... are there any problems for the implementors?
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13:08:18 <kfritsche> david: should be fine till monday
13:08:56 <kfritsche> phil: two new files are added and these will be added till next week
13:09:51 <pnietoca> q+
13:09:57 <fsasaki> ack pab
13:10:19 <fsasaki> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgIk0-aoSKOadG5HQmJDT2EybWVvVC1VbnF5alN2S3c#gid=0
13:10:32 <fsasaki> "31st January 2013: M3 - Test files completely run. To be moved forward at Prague f2f."
13:10:39 <kfritsche> pnietoca: should we finish 100% for M3?
13:11:13 <kfritsche> fsasaki: only 1 or 2 files left would be okay, but only 80% should be discussed
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13:12:21 <kfritsche> pnietoca: 100% should be okay for linguaserve, but have to talk to mauricio
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13:12:42 <fsasaki> felix: please come back to me within this week if 100% from your organisaiton is *not* ok
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13:13:47 <fsasaki> topic: Action item health check
13:13:48 <kfritsche> fsasaki: shortly checking attendance again
13:13:54 <fsasaki> https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/open?sort=due
13:14:02 <kfritsche> fsasaki: there are lot of overdue action items
13:14:22 <kfritsche> ... most of items are related for editing
13:14:54 <fsasaki> ack pab
13:14:57 <fsasaki> ack pb
13:14:57 <kfritsche> .. should any action item be discussed?
13:16:05 <kfritsche> dF: should the disambiguation be tested till M3?
13:16:27 <kfritsche> ... because lot of changes are expected there
13:16:47 <kfritsche> fsasaki: no need to do testing for disambiguation
13:17:09 <kfritsche> .. for the M3
13:17:12 <fsasaki> topic:  Discuss domain issue
13:17:19 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt-comments/2013Jan/0022.html
13:17:29 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt-comments/2013Jan/0182.html
13:17:30 <kfritsche> fsasaki: would like to close this today
13:17:47 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt-comments/2013Jan/0191.html
13:18:06 <kfritsche> ... many discussion till now
13:18:15 <fsasaki> ack pni
13:18:17 <kfritsche> ... are there any comments for the last proposal?
13:18:29 <Yves_> looks basically fine
13:19:39 <kfritsche> fsasaki: link to showcase should be moved, because wiki will probably removed at some point
13:20:22 <kfritsche> chriLi: looking at the proposal right now
13:21:02 <kfritsche> olaf: suggestion could ? that be moved to best practices?
13:21:13 <pnietoca> I replied this morning to this issue http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt-comments/2013Jan/0192.html
13:21:31 <Yves_> Just one note: "It is, however, not possible to assign" : it's technically 'possible' but it's not meant to be used that way.
13:21:36 <daveL> note there's a place holder for best practice docs on wiki at:
13:21:37 <pnietoca> Felix has a point maybe a link to the wiki is not the most appropriate
13:21:38 <daveL> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/Best_Practice_Documents
13:21:43 <kfritsche> fsasaki: we discussed in prague that we will write maybe more of one of best practices
13:22:47 <omstefanov> thanks, dave, for the Best Practice Docs page
13:22:52 <kfritsche> chriLi: we are on a good way
13:23:04 <kfritsche> ... but not right there now
13:23:45 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt-comments/2013Jan/0184.html
13:24:11 <kfritsche> ... yves example should be added to the note, to show how a MT should handle it
13:24:12 <fsasaki> "For example you have a mapping as this:" - Yves' example
13:24:20 <fsasaki> in above mail
13:25:54 <fsasaki> action: christian to make re-write of note for domain, taking Yves' example at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt-comments/2013Jan/0184.html and jörgs proposal at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt-comments/2013Jan/0184.html into account
13:25:54 <trackbot> Created ACTION-434 - Make re-write of note for domain, taking Yves' example at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt-comments/2013Jan/0184.html and jörgs proposal at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt-comments/2013Jan/0184.html into account [on Christian Lieske - due 2013-02-06].
13:26:02 <kfritsche> df: its just a clarification? not a normative change?
13:26:14 <kfritsche> fsasaki: it is a clarification
13:26:30 <kfritsche> ... any further comments on this topic?
13:26:37 <fsasaki> topic: disambiguation vs term
13:27:13 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Jan/0246.html
13:27:26 <kfritsche> fsasaki: proposal how to structure the discussion
13:28:21 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Jan/0239.html
13:28:38 <fsasaki> <span its-tan-confidence="0.7" its-tan-class-ref="http://nerd.eurecom.fr/ontology#Place"<http://nerd.eurecom.fr/ontology#Place> its-tan-ident-ref="http://dbpedia.org/resource/Dublin"<http://dbpedia.org/resource/Dublin> its-term="no">Dublin</span>
13:28:47 <kfritsche> ... start the discussion today, here is another proposal from marcis
13:29:29 <kfritsche> ... do we need standoff markup?
13:29:49 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Jan/0246.html
13:30:49 <kfritsche> tadej: how we can merge both data categories?
13:31:22 <kfritsche> ... if we merge them, than we can handle both independently?
13:32:00 <kfritsche> fsasaki: do we really need to handle both categories independently?
13:33:09 <kfritsche> ... there is no need for multilayer annotations, if we drop this
13:33:31 <kfritsche> tadej: don't have any objection, but marcis is not on the call today
13:34:27 <kfritsche> daveL: there are people who would have both categories separately
13:35:35 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Jan/0248.html
13:36:17 <kfritsche> fsasaki: lot of discussion on the topic of levels, that would be a change for disambiguation
13:38:06 <kfritsche> tadej: that was my proposal to drop levels, which swalter agreed
13:38:43 <kfritsche> fsasaki: this would be a huge step forward for the discussion to merge both categories
13:38:58 <kfritsche> ... is everyone fine with dropping the levels?
13:40:53 <chriLi> q+
13:41:38 <kfritsche> tadej: we can add a best practice for the case that someone wants to point to a external resource
13:41:53 <fsasaki> ack chril
13:41:59 <kfritsche> df: agrees
13:42:14 <fsasaki> s/df:/dLewis:/
13:42:39 <chriLi> Values for "qualifier": lexical, term, termCandidate, ontological-class, ontological-entity;
13:42:42 <fsasaki> christian's inital proposal at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt-comments/2013Jan/0014.html
13:42:50 <fsasaki> <span            its-tan-confidence="0.7"            its-tan-class-ref="http://nerd.eurecom.fr/ontology#Place"            its-tan-ident-ref="http://dbpedia.org/resource/Dublin"            its-tan-type=" http://www.isocat.org/datcat/DC-2275">Dublin</span>
13:43:17 <kfritsche> chriLi: with dropping level we mean dropping these values?
13:44:40 <kfritsche> fsasaki: we want to drop the complete field "qualifier"
13:45:32 <kfritsche> ... nobody really used this field in their workflow
13:46:48 <kfritsche> tadej: is there a case where people can't to this with rdfa/a or other methods - and this is not the case for us
13:47:52 <kfritsche> dF: is the level a important part of the multilayer topic?
13:48:51 <kfritsche> fsasaki: you can't talk about the one, without talking about the other one
13:49:32 <kfritsche> fsasaki: should we keep its-tan-type?
13:49:38 <kfritsche> chriLi: we should drop it
13:50:12 <kfritsche> fsasaki: some consensus today - following some examples
13:50:30 <fsasaki> <span            its-tan-confidence="0.7"            its-tan-class-ref="http://nerd.eurecom.fr/ontology#Place"            its-tan-ident-ref="http://dbpedia.org/resource/Dublin"  >Dublin</span>
13:51:02 <kfritsche> ... this would be example without the tan-type and level
13:51:25 <chriLi> You may want to add its-tan-term="yes"
13:51:29 <kfritsche> ... we can't discuss this further because marcis is missing today
13:52:43 <kfritsche> fsasaki: if we only rename attributes, then me maybe don't need another last call
13:52:54 <kfritsche> s/me/we
13:54:02 <kfritsche> fsasaki: this wouldn't influence the data category terminology
13:55:15 <fsasaki> action: tadej to take care of disambig -> tan examples
13:55:15 <trackbot> Created ACTION-435 - Take care of disambig -> tan examples [on Tadej Štajner - due 2013-02-06].
13:55:59 <omstefanov> I think we need to keep careful watch of Mārcis' comments in 0239.html warning of what happens if we merge terminology and disabiguation (or whatever it is called).
13:56:24 <kfritsche> fsasaki: we don't rewrite the section, till the terminology discussion is done
13:57:03 <kfritsche> fsasaki: marcis should be at the monday call, so the discussion will be continued on monday
13:57:18 <kfritsche> ... any other comments?
13:57:29 <kfritsche> topic: poster draft
13:57:57 <kfritsche> fsasaki: poster draft moved forward to 15th feb, everybody is okay with that?
13:57:59 <omstefanov> bye and thanks, felix
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