14:08:53 RRSAgent has joined #coremob 14:08:53 logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/01/30-coremob-irc 14:08:55 RRSAgent, make logs 25 14:08:55 Zakim has joined #coremob 14:08:57 Zakim, this will be 14:08:57 I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot 14:08:58 Meeting: Core Mobile Web Platform Community Group Teleconference 14:08:58 Date: 30 January 2013 14:10:06 Chair: Jo 14:10:29 scribe: chaals 14:11:17 Topic: Advance coremob 2012 to final? 14:11:34 http://coremob.github.com/coremob-2012/ED-coremob-20130123.html -> Pre Final Draft -> Coremob 2012 Final Draft 14:11:43 Present: Jo, Chaals, Tobie 14:12:10 TL: Finished the references, haven't pushed changes. 14:12:27 … there are changes only on database, and not in document itself. 14:12:42 present+ 14:12:48 … was email from Bryan, and others. 14:13:20 … Saying it makes sense to point out that Last Call specs should be differentiated from other Working Drafts 14:13:37 … Agree, and plan to check the documents. 14:13:47 JR: Be warned that some documents have many last calls... 14:14:03 TL: It goes hand in hand with updating the bibliography so makes sense anyway. 14:14:14 … Finally, six comments came last night from ?? 14:14:24 s/??/Giri 14:14:31 … Four have already been decided, two comments to address. 14:14:54 … 1. Term 'implementation' is not clearly defined - wanted to have ??, OS and CPU 14:15:15 … 2. About number of Frames/sec for animated sprites to display 14:15:28 Present+ Giri 14:15:29 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-coremob/2013Jan/0043.html -> Giri's comments and tobie's response 14:15:55 Giri: Didn't understand why ?? wasn't a principal requirement 14:16:30 TL: Didn't - we have requirements derived from the use cases, and this is not a bidirectional relationship. 14:16:45 Giri: OK, that's the philosophy. Other point for discussion 14:17:18 … Geolocation. Think there is a difference between conformance for use cases and conformance to the spec. Geolocation is an example. 14:17:36 q+ 14:17:54 … There is nothing compelling in implementation to use the most accurate technology available. If your implementation ignores that, we should not state that implementation is conformant. 14:17:57 q+ 14:18:03 ack to 14:18:27 TL: Think I addressed part of that in email. It is not for coremob to decide on conformance for a working group. 14:19:01 present+ rtshilston 14:19:01 … don't think we need to go further in the discussion. But there are valid reasons not to provide best data possible, e.g. for saving battery. Or to preserve privacy as a user. 14:19:18 Giri: You're not supporting the use case if you don't provide an accurate location. 14:19:30 ack ch 14:20:18 q+ 14:21:15 +q 14:21:38 CMN: Agree with Giri's principle, that if the defined conformance is not sufficient for the use case, we should state that conformance tothe spec is insufficient. 14:22:02 … but geolocation data is private, and if people choose a device or use it in a way to reduce the information I don't think there is an issue here. 14:22:29 JR: Think quality of location is aquality of implementation issue, and they are out of scope except where specifically called out. 14:22:44 ack j 14:22:48 ack g 14:22:55 … we know this is an issue to which we will need to return. But if it is OK for now, can we move on. 14:23:32 Giri: OK, makes sense. And Tobie has agreed to relax the framerate requirement. As an informative note, privacy applications don't allow users to set accuracy. 14:23:53 [There are implementations that allow users to specifically change their resolution] 14:24:12 TL: My new device (iPhone) asked if I wanted to use geolocation services 14:24:21 Giri: That's not the same as accuracy. 14:24:43 TL: Giri, you happy with changes I proposed for the last point? 14:24:47 Giri: Yes. 14:24:57 TL: Good - thanks for raising that. Will do the changes. 14:25:22 JR: Think that is an editorial clarification, not a substantive change - so go for it. 14:26:37 JR: Any further comments to make before a resolution is taken? 14:26:56 q+ 14:27:13 ack c 14:27:49 CMN: Noted that there was a discussion on fullscreen API / View-modes media. Where did that end? 14:28:08 TL: Note that fullscreen spec expects user-input to go into fullscreen mode. 14:28:18 … thought I had addressed that on the mailing list. 14:31:19 PROPOSED RESOLUTION: The CG requests the chair to advance the status of Coremob - 2012 to "Final" 14:31:22 CMN: There are some specs covering part of the requirements - but there is a lack of clarity. At the same time, we should be aware that there seems to be a consensus that for security fullscreening without the user approving explicitly is unlikelyto be allowed. So I think we can leave this issue for now although it should arise for coremob2013 14:31:33 [+1 to proposed resolution] 14:32:07 PROPOSED RESOLUTION: The CG requests the chair to advance the status of Coremob - 2012 to "Final" modulo editorial change on frame rate and correction of references 14:32:35 RESOLUTION: The CG requests the chair to advance the status of Coremob - 2012 to "Final" modulo editorial changes on frame rate and correction of references 14:33:21 [Champagne flows freely] 14:34:01 JR: Given low attendance, there is action item checking. I propose to do that and then ask for forgiveness. 14:34:23 TL: The next year I will be a W3C fellow working on testing, so will be unable to edit coremob specs. 14:35:00 … Coremob document of this year is used as the basis of W3C's testing effort, which is a good endorsement of the work we have done. 14:35:40 PROPOSED RESOLUTION: The CG Congratulates Tobie on his appointment as W3C Fellow and thanks him for his efforts as principal Coremob editor 14:35:41 s/basis/basis, along with WebTV and Mobile profiling documents, 14:35:50 [+1 to proposal] 14:36:00 RESOLUTION: The CG Congratulates Tobie on his appointment as W3C Fellow and thanks him for his efforts as principal Coremob editor 14:36:38 JR: (But please do the last set of changes before you leave...) 14:37:26 JR: Think it is important for the CG to align with the new initiative, and we will need to change our charter with regard to testing. 14:37:53 … I am in discussion with W3C on the nature of that change, and hope to have some conclusions in the next few weeks. 14:38:14 … I think we have already delivered a good contribution - thanks everyone. 14:38:34 Adjourned (more on charter will follow on the list) 14:38:49 (And thanks to FT for the phone bridge) 14:38:54 thanks to chaals for scribing and to Financial Times for providing telecon facilities 14:38:57 You're most welcome to have used the conference facilities. 14:39:34 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:39:34 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/01/30-coremob-minutes.html chaals 14:39:53 rrsagent, make log public 14:56:16 s/[+1 to/CMN: [+1 to/g 14:56:23 rrsagent, make minutes 14:56:23 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/01/30-coremob-minutes.html chaals 16:40:54 Zakim has left #coremob