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16:00:17 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 2119
16:00:17 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM scheduled to start 60 minutes ago
16:00:18 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
16:00:18 <trackbot> Date: 24 January 2013
16:00:56 <janina> zakim, this will be WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)
16:00:56 <Zakim> ok, janina, I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM already started
16:01:06 <janina> zakim, who's here?
16:01:06 <Zakim> On the phone I see hober, [IPcaller], ??P11
16:01:07 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, paulc, davidb, janina, darobin, IanPouncey, Stevef, trackbot, chaals, MichaelC, hober
16:01:28 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
16:01:31 <janina> zakim, ??P11 is Janina_Sajka
16:01:31 <Zakim> +Janina_Sajka; got it
16:01:38 <Stevef> zakim, [IPcaller] is me
16:01:38 <Zakim> +Stevef; got it
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16:02:40 <chaals> zakim, [ipcall is me
16:02:40 <Zakim> sorry, chaals, I do not recognize a party named '[ipcall'
16:02:49 <chaals> zakim, [ipcaller is me
16:02:49 <Zakim> sorry, chaals, I do not recognize a party named '[ipcaller'
16:02:58 <Stevef> janina: http://www.paciellogroup.com/mobile/
16:03:03 <chaals> zakim, [IPcaller] is me
16:03:03 <Zakim> +chaals; got it
16:03:10 <Zakim> +John_Foliot
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16:03:45 <chaals> Do we have a scribe?
16:03:48 <Judy> Judy has joined #html-a11y
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16:04:03 <chaals> scribe: LeonieWatson
16:04:08 <LeonieWatson> scribe: Léonie Watson
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16:04:40 <chaals> Regrets: DavidMcD
16:04:46 <plh> zakim, drop plh
16:04:46 <Zakim> Plh is being disconnected
16:04:47 <Judy> agenda?
16:04:47 <Zakim> -Plh
16:05:09 <chaals> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/mid/op.wrb8txj2y3oazb@chaals.local
16:05:28 <paulc> zakim, what is the code?
16:05:28 <Zakim> the conference code is 2119 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), paulc
16:05:44 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
16:05:53 <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft] is paulc
16:05:53 <Zakim> +paulc; got it
16:05:58 <Zakim> +Plh
16:06:25 <chaals> Notes... ARIA in HTML needs some editing before publication
16:06:39 <chaals> … and chaals needs to follow up with Steve to wrap the longdesc request.
16:06:53 <chaals> s/request/[ublication request/
16:07:04 <chaals> Topic: Action item review...
16:07:34 <JF> s/[ublication request/publication request/
16:07:35 <LeonieWatson> zakim, agenda?
16:07:35 <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda
16:07:36 <chaals> http://www.w3.org/mid/op.wqz5z2iwy3oazb@dhcp-219-219-wifi.yandex.net
16:07:45 <chaals> agenda+ Action item review
16:07:52 <chaals> Agenda+ sub-team reports
16:08:36 <Zakim> +??P22
16:09:10 <chaals> zakim, next agendum
16:09:10 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Action item review" taken up [from chaals]
16:10:25 <Zakim> -chaals
16:11:16 <LeonieWatson> action-22?
16:11:16 <trackbot> ACTION-22 -- Michael Cooper to organize joint discussion of testing task force and html a11y task force -- due 2011-05-31 -- OPEN
16:11:16 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/22
16:11:36 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:11:38 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
16:12:41 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:12:43 <LeonieWatson> MC: We might want to make this an agenda request for the face to face.
16:13:03 <LeonieWatson> JS: This is one item we do want to follow up on.
16:13:25 <LeonieWatson> MC: Will make a note.
16:13:57 <LeonieWatson> CMN: Will you keep this action?
16:14:00 <LeonieWatson> MC: Yes.
16:14:02 <MichaelC> action-22 due 22 April
16:14:02 <trackbot> Set ACTION-22 Organize joint discussion of testing task force and html a11y task force due date to 22 April.
16:14:23 <MichaelC> action-22: request joint discussion of testing a11y features at the 2013 joint FtF
16:14:23 <trackbot> Notes added to ACTION-22 Organize joint discussion of testing task force and html a11y task force.
16:14:24 <chaals> RESOLUTION: action-22 new due date 2012-01-29
16:15:18 <LeonieWatson> JB: There is a testing meeting next week, I'll be talking there, what are your thoughts about bringing this to that meeting Philippe?
16:15:24 <paulc> I would suggest that A11Y TF attend a testing TF distributed meeting and NOT delay this to the April F2F.
16:15:44 <paulc> It is not obvious to me that we will have the right Testing TF people at the April F2F.
16:15:50 <Judy> s/about bringing this to that meeting/about the relatedness of this agenda item/
16:16:02 <Judy> s/of this agenda item/of this action item/
16:16:12 <LeonieWatson> PLH: That meeting is to be about testing, it may be that there is a company or individual who could write tests.
16:16:36 <LeonieWatson> PLH: It's about identifying the right resources.
16:17:16 <LeonieWatson> PC: Why would we delay doing this? Agree with Philippe. If you ask them what they're doing about a11y, they'll ask us what we're doing about it.
16:17:34 <LeonieWatson> PC: My suggestion - do this earlier rather than later.
16:17:49 <LeonieWatson> CMN: Michael you happy with the deadline of the 29th January?
16:18:02 <LeonieWatson> MC: Not sure I'm the appropriate person to approach them.
16:18:12 <LeonieWatson> CMN: Suggestions?
16:18:46 <LeonieWatson> CMN: We could assign it to Judy?
16:18:48 <LeonieWatson> JB: No.
16:19:04 <LeonieWatson> SF: What form of a11y testing will be happening?
16:19:26 <LeonieWatson> JS: It's vital to define how much testing will happen.
16:19:45 <LeonieWatson> JS: For CR we'll have to test all the "must" statements and we'll need a strategy for that.
16:20:04 <JF> Q+
16:20:18 <LeonieWatson> JS: We could talk to the DRM people about a test case to test whether DRM will affect AT users for example.
16:20:50 <LeonieWatson> JF: Encrypted media - is that not an extension spec?
16:20:54 <paulc> There is at least one EME implementation.  I suggest that someone work with that implementation to prove if there are any problems.  And if there are problems then file bugs.
16:21:08 <LeonieWatson> CMN: Will someone take the item?
16:21:33 <paulc> s/one EME/one early EME/
16:21:37 <LeonieWatson> JF: I'm not seeing the direct link to HTML5 and CR.
16:21:48 <Judy> q+
16:22:00 <chaals> ack jf
16:22:29 <LeonieWatson> JB: We want to make sure all the a11y features are tested by the end of CR.
16:23:07 <LeonieWatson> JF: Agree we need to stay on top of testing.
16:23:18 <LeonieWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
16:23:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/01/24-html-a11y-minutes.html LeonieWatson
16:23:31 <paulc> Judy said "test all the features".  If there is existing interoperability then the HTML 5 CR exit criteria can accept that evidence instead of insisting on testing all features.
16:24:08 <LeonieWatson> SF: We definitely need to test where ARIA roles are mapped to HTML elements.
16:24:21 <LeonieWatson> SF: Happy to look at that aspect.
16:24:36 <LeonieWatson> action-75?
16:24:36 <trackbot> ACTION-75 -- Steve Faulkner to update change proposal for bug 10594 and 10603 (was HTML WG action 198) -- due 2010-11-16 -- OPEN
16:24:36 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/75
16:24:46 <JF> "Testing" is quite a large bucket of requirements and deliverables
16:25:10 <LeonieWatson> CMN: This is long past relevant, on the basis CPs are all long past relevant.
16:25:15 <LeonieWatson> action-77?
16:25:15 <trackbot> ACTION-77 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to update change proposal re bug 10449 -- due 2010-11-18 -- OPEN
16:25:15 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/77
16:25:16 <chaals> action-77?
16:25:16 <trackbot> ACTION-77 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to update change proposal re bug 10449 -- due 2010-11-18 -- OPEN
16:25:16 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/77
16:25:27 <chaals> action-78?
16:25:27 <trackbot> ACTION-78 -- Cynthia Shelly to update change proposal for bug 10448 -- due 2010-11-18 -- OPEN
16:25:27 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/78
16:25:33 <chaals> action-79?
16:25:33 <trackbot> ACTION-79 -- Steve Faulkner to update change proposal for bugs 10444 and 10462 -- due 2010-11-18 -- OPEN
16:25:33 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/79
16:25:41 <chaals> action-80?
16:25:41 <trackbot> ACTION-80 -- Steve Faulkner to update change proposal for bug 10481 -- due 2010-11-18 -- OPEN
16:25:41 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/80
16:25:59 <chaals> RESOLUTION: close 75, 77-80
16:26:48 <LeonieWatson> action-91?
16:26:48 <trackbot> ACTION-91 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to review Charles draft of the canvas 2D API -- due 2010-12-13 -- OPEN
16:26:48 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/91
16:27:42 <LeonieWatson> action-105?
16:27:42 <trackbot> ACTION-105 -- Gregory Rosmaita to - review w3c bugzilla installation versus newest version 4, coordinate with those who volunteered, present options and needs -- due 2011-04-15 -- OPEN
16:27:42 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/105
16:27:58 <LeonieWatson> CMN: Is this useful?
16:28:15 <LeonieWatson> MC: The bugzilla instance we have now is more accessible.
16:28:49 <chaals> 110, 112, 115-117 ...
16:28:56 <LeonieWatson> CMN: 110, 112, 116 and 117 are obsolete and can be closed.
16:29:26 <LeonieWatson> CMN: 121 through 125 are obsolete, 132 through 135 are also obsolete.
16:29:53 <LeonieWatson> CMN: I didn't find these in bug triage.
16:30:11 <LeonieWatson> action-137?
16:30:11 <trackbot> ACTION-137 -- Cynthia Shelly to review HTML spec, make sure 'click' fires with primary key press (space or enter/return) on any element, including elements like 'div' which are not natively focusable -- due 2012-01-18 -- OPEN
16:30:11 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/137
16:30:25 <LeonieWatson> CMN: I completed this. Summary, no problem here.
16:31:44 <LeonieWatson> CMN: 139 and 140 are obsolete.
16:32:18 <LeonieWatson> action-144?
16:32:19 <trackbot> ACTION-144 -- Charles McCathie Nevile to check whether we should be looking into accesskeys as an HTML issue -- due 2012-11-15 -- OPEN
16:32:19 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/144
16:32:36 <LeonieWatson> CMN: Think this action should be maintained.
16:32:46 <chaals> ACTION-144 due in two weeks
16:32:46 <trackbot> Set ACTION-144 Check whether we should be looking into accesskeys as an HTML issue due date to two weeks.
16:33:10 <LeonieWatson> action-136?
16:33:10 <trackbot> ACTION-136 -- John Foliot to foliot revisit controls vs. no controls -- due 2011-10-13 -- OPEN
16:33:10 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/136
16:33:49 <LeonieWatson> JF: Somewhat relevant still.
16:34:15 <LeonieWatson> JS: Cynthia argues this is a per browser issue, and that the spec is ok. Wonder if she's right?
16:34:29 <LeonieWatson> CMN: John will you follow up on this action?
16:34:37 <LeonieWatson> JF: Yes.
16:34:42 <chaals> ACTION-136 due in two weeks
16:34:42 <trackbot> Set ACTION-136 Foliot revisit controls vs. no controls due date to two weeks.
16:35:10 <chaals> action-138?
16:35:10 <trackbot> ACTION-138 -- Michael Cooper to find or set up location for jquery that can be referenced by W3C specs and kept current / versioned -- due 2012-03-01 -- OPEN
16:35:10 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/138
16:35:12 <LeonieWatson> action-138?
16:35:12 <trackbot> ACTION-138 -- Michael Cooper to find or set up location for jquery that can be referenced by W3C specs and kept current / versioned -- due 2012-03-01 -- OPEN
16:35:12 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/138
16:35:24 <LeonieWatson> MC: Think this can be closed.
16:35:34 <LeonieWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
16:35:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/01/24-html-a11y-minutes.html LeonieWatson
16:35:41 <LeonieWatson> MC: Found it once.
16:35:48 <LeonieWatson> CMN: Could you find it again?
16:35:52 <chaals> action-138 due tomorrow
16:35:52 <trackbot> Set ACTION-138 Find or set up location for jquery that can be referenced by W3C specs and kept current / versioned due date to tomorrow.
16:36:43 <LeonieWatson> action-89?
16:36:43 <trackbot> ACTION-89 -- Cynthia Shelly to address how aria-autocomplete relates to HTML autocomplete wrt to aapi - relates to PFWG comment 340 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/comments/details?comment_id=340 -- due 2010-11-29 -- OPEN
16:36:43 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/89
16:37:02 <LeonieWatson> action-142?
16:37:02 <trackbot> ACTION-142 -- Cynthia Shelly to file HTML bug about methods that should fail when an element has @hidden set -- due 2012-10-11 -- OPEN
16:37:02 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/142
16:37:20 <LeonieWatson> CMN: John, any insights?
16:37:30 <Zakim> +Cooper
16:38:20 <LeonieWatson> action-118?
16:38:20 <trackbot> ACTION-118 -- Gez Lemon to review if HTML drag and drop model conflicts with ARIA drag and drop model -- due 2011-03-27 -- OPEN
16:38:20 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/118
16:39:34 <LeonieWatson> LW: Need to find someone to review this part of the spec again.
16:39:38 <LeonieWatson> action-101?
16:39:38 <trackbot> ACTION-101 -- Gregory Rosmaita to - email ARIA Caucus to request a "modal" attribute for ARIA -- due 2011-03-03 -- OPEN
16:39:38 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/101
16:39:54 <LeonieWatson> action-131?
16:39:54 <trackbot> ACTION-131 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to write whitepaper on ARIA features that seem similar to HTML features but aren't -- due 2011-08-04 -- OPEN
16:39:54 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/131
16:40:27 <LeonieWatson> JB: What's the priority/need level?
16:40:38 <LeonieWatson> CMN: Reasonably important I think.
16:40:47 <LeonieWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
16:40:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/01/24-html-a11y-minutes.html LeonieWatson
16:41:02 <LeonieWatson> JS: Agreed.
16:41:48 <LeonieWatson> SF: I'll ping Rich about this one.
16:42:17 <chaals> [assign 131 to rich and stevef jointly...]
16:43:32 <chaals> action-109?
16:43:32 <trackbot> ACTION-109 -- Sean Hayes to file bug on dealing with cues that come out of order -- due 2011-03-16 -- OPEN
16:43:32 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/109
16:44:43 <chaals> action-109 due in one week
16:44:43 <trackbot> Set ACTION-109 File bug on dealing with cues that come out of order due date to one week.
16:45:00 <chaals> action-109 john foliot
16:45:37 <LeonieWatson> zakim, next item
16:45:37 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, LeonieWatson
16:45:42 <chaals> q?
16:45:46 <chaals> ack judy
16:45:51 <chaals> zakim, next item
16:45:51 <Zakim> agendum 2. "sub-team reports" taken up [from chaals]
16:47:23 <LeonieWatson> JB: Text sub team has some bugs from triage to bring to the TF.
16:48:01 <chaals> LW: Triage - all canvas and ARIA backlog cleared. waiting on text subteam, media subteam (and chaals).
16:48:12 <chaals> … suggestion from Silvia to take forward her proposals.
16:48:22 <janina> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2012Nov/0040.html
16:48:59 <chaals> Bug 12964 (LC1) RESO-NEED-INFO "<video>: Declarative linking of full-text
16:49:00 <chaals> transcripts to video and audio elements"
16:49:28 <LeonieWatson> JS: Related to an action with John.
16:49:52 <chaals> Bug 13273 (LC1) RESO-NEED-INFO "Clarify text in media element user interface section"
16:50:14 <LeonieWatson> JF: First two bugs are assigned to me. The first one, given time/date it'll probably have to be an extension spec. Not sure how e kick that off?
16:51:04 <LeonieWatson> CMN: In that case we should shift it it to 5.1?
16:51:18 <LeonieWatson> JS: Or to the HTML-A11y TF?
16:51:31 <LeonieWatson> CMN: Suggest keeping it in HTML.
16:51:42 <LeonieWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
16:51:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/01/24-html-a11y-minutes.html LeonieWatson
16:52:13 <LeonieWatson> JF: Being tracked by issue 194.
16:52:20 <chaals> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12964
16:52:21 <LeonieWatson> JS: Are those issue numbers still relevant?
16:52:49 <LeonieWatson> CMN: They're relevant because they often have pointers to the bugs.
16:53:35 <LeonieWatson> JF: 13273 is related to the action I'll do for a couple of weeks.
16:53:44 <LeonieWatson> CMN: Silvia thought this one could be closed.
16:54:12 <paulc> FTR ISSUE-194 was one of the issues that "plan 2014" said should be done as an extension spec.
16:55:18 <chaals> Bug 8657 (pre-LC1) RESO-NEED-INFO "Allow UA to reload fallback content if loading fails"
16:55:53 <LeonieWatson> CMN: Can close.
16:55:59 <chaals> Bug 10841 (pre-LC1) RESO-NEED-INFO "We require a method to allow the user
16:55:59 <chaals> to control playback timing in order to have more time to understand the
16:55:59 <chaals> material."
16:55:59 <chaals> 
16:56:51 <LeonieWatson> JF: It's an implementation problem. The method exists.
16:56:56 <LeonieWatson> CMN: Can close.
16:57:01 <chaals> Bug 10842 (pre-LC1) RESO-NEED-INFO "Support the isolation of speech from other background sounds in AV media"
16:57:22 <LeonieWatson> CMN: Silvia suggests closing.
16:57:48 <LeonieWatson> CMN: Could handle through WCAG/UAAG.
16:58:24 <LeonieWatson> JF: Looking at 841, 842 and 843 - handling through UAAG makes sense. Suggest we close but forward to UAAG WG.
16:58:43 <LeonieWatson> JB: Definitely worth asking them to take a look.
16:59:07 <chaals> ACTION: johnfoliot to forward bugs 10841, 10842, 10843 to UAAG
16:59:07 <trackbot> Error finding 'johnfoliot'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/users>.
16:59:15 <LeonieWatson> JF: I'll contact UAAG and let them know we're closing these bugs, but that they might want to take a look at them.
16:59:34 <chaals> ACTION: john_foliot to forward bugs 10841, 10842, 10843 to UAAG
16:59:34 <trackbot> Error finding 'john_foliot'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/users>.
17:00:27 <LeonieWatson> CMN: 10642 - The poster issue.
17:00:37 <LeonieWatson> JF: Can be closed, I withdrew my formal objection.
17:00:53 <paulc> I have to go to the WG meeting.
17:01:03 <LeonieWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
17:01:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/01/24-html-a11y-minutes.html LeonieWatson
17:01:05 <Zakim> -Cooper
17:01:06 <Zakim> -[IPcaller.a]
17:01:07 <Zakim> -John_Foliot
17:01:07 <Zakim> -Stevef
17:01:08 <Zakim> -Janina_Sajka
17:01:09 <Zakim> -hober
17:01:10 <Zakim> -Plh
17:01:10 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
17:01:14 <Zakim> -Judy
17:01:20 <Zakim> -paulc
17:01:20 <chaals> [Thanks Léonie for scribing]
17:01:51 <chaals> Chair: Chaals
17:01:51 <janina> janina has left #html-a11y
17:03:17 <chaals> Present: Janina, Chaals, Leonie, Judy, JohnF, SteveF, PaulC, PLH, Hober, MichaelC
17:05:33 <chaals> i/action-144/RESOLUTION: Close the items chaals suggested closing (other than action 22)
17:05:39 <chaals> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:05:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/01/24-html-a11y-minutes.html chaals
17:06:20 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, Michael_Cooper, in WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM
17:06:22 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has ended
17:06:22 <Zakim> Attendees were hober, Janina_Sajka, Stevef, chaals, John_Foliot, Judy, Plh, paulc, Michael_Cooper, [IPcaller], Cooper
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17:50:59 <janina> janina has changed the topic to: HTML-A11Y Task Force Teleconference; Thursday 31 January at 16:00Z for 60 minutes
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