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15:41:08 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_UAWG
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15:41:09 <trackbot> Meeting: User Agent Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
15:41:09 <trackbot> Date: 22 January 2013
15:41:19 <jeanne> topic: Use Cases
15:41:46 <jeanne> full featured browsers who conform
15:42:14 <jeanne> full featured browsers who are missing a few SC, but have extensions that could conform.
15:43:28 <jeanne> extensions and plugins that provides a feature or subset of features to a full functioning user agent (browser)
15:44:04 <jeanne> note: media players fit here. Maybe pdf reader
15:45:15 <allanj> single purpose app that the user interface and the content interface is the same
15:45:27 <jeanne> question: do want to have UAAG conformance for those extensions and plugins?
15:46:07 <jeanne> -- we eliminated AT, because it couldn't conform because it was specialized.
15:46:22 <jeanne> -- maybe different because they become part of the browser
15:46:43 <allanj> we added extensions, they are part of the user interface
15:46:57 <allanj> modify the behavior of the UA
15:48:20 <jeanne> JS: What do we gain from certifying extensions and plugins?  It is making things very complicated
15:48:26 <allanj> an extension does nothing without being connected to the browser
15:48:52 <allanj> AT is stand alone and doesn't need a browser to function
15:49:35 <jeanne> ... but they do become part of the user interface, and therefore need to be conformant when installed. So possibly follow the ATAG model  of saying they can't block conformance of the full featured user agent.
15:51:09 <jeanne> ... they can't modify the user interface so that they make it inaccessible.
15:52:16 <allanj> AT can be inaccessible, they are providing access to a particular class of people. should be possible for an extension to do the same
15:52:33 <allanj> topic: extension partial conformance
15:52:59 <allanj> mouseless browsing
15:53:41 <allanj> meets SC XXX
15:53:59 <allanj> install a shortcut key
15:54:05 <allanj> it is configurable
15:54:11 <allanj> changes the user interface
15:54:57 <allanj> partial conformance claim: when plugged into UA ZYX, it meets SC xxx
16:00:53 <jeanne> Topic: use case of the user agent that works on one platform but not another
16:01:00 <jeanne> ... that's covered pretty well.
16:01:36 <jeanne> Topic: Apps as User Agents
16:01:52 <jeanne> American Airlines app
16:03:04 <jeanne> ... constrained content (covered by Jan's proposal)
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16:03:57 <jeanne> JA: The user interface and the content interface are all you get.  There is no more.  They are the same, it's the only interface you get.
16:04:07 <allanj> works on phone, only reads AA data,
16:05:20 <allanj> user interacts with the controls,
16:07:18 <jeanne> media players could also fit here, that I think it fits better with extensions, because it can only do one thing, while apps can do many, many things.
16:08:02 <jeanne> ... apps for Skype, Facebook, games, weather report, instant messaging etc.  Apps are different that media players, IMO.
16:11:22 <jeanne> Apps can full featured apps that conform. Example, Facebook app on mobile covers  all different types of media.
16:12:09 <jeanne> JA: Facebook on Android doesn't have font size adjustment, which means it can't comply on the Android, because Android doesn't have zoom.
16:12:23 <allanj> app are fully conformant then gets rated a a full browser
16:12:45 <jeanne> Use Case: App that needs the platform features to be conformant, e.g. zoom.
16:14:35 <jeanne> ... Facebook app on iOS can zoom, but Android cannot, so Facebook on Android is not accessible to low vision users, or my husband without his reading glasses.
16:15:44 <jeanne> ... I think this is covered by Jan's platform proposal
16:16:38 <jeanne> Use case: Apps with constrained content, like the American Airlines app.
16:21:23 <allanj> UAWG will be finding 2 implementations for each SC, and will have to test/document/track each one for every SE
16:21:34 <allanj> s/SE/SC
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16:22:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/01/22-ua-minutes.html allanj
16:25:34 <jeanne> JS: Apps on the iOS can zoom, but the zoom has to be enabled.  The American Airlines app on the iOS loging page doesn't zoom.  The Music player app doesn't zoom. The text is too small and doesn't increase. Not accessible.
16:29:41 <allanj> rrsagent, make minutes
16:29:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/01/22-ua-minutes.html allanj
16:29:50 <Zakim> -Jeanne
16:30:02 <Zakim> -Jim_Allan
16:30:03 <Zakim> WAI_UAWG(CHAIRS)10:30AM has ended
16:30:03 <Zakim> Attendees were Jim_Allan, Jeanne
16:30:40 <allanj> zaikim, please part
16:30:56 <jeanne> JS: Large fonts on iOS platform settings are not applied to apps, not Facebook, not Linked In, or on Music player. They were applied to Notepad, but not the Notepad dates, which stayed in the small system font.
16:31:12 <jeanne> rrsagent, make minutes
16:31:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/01/22-ua-minutes.html jeanne
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