IRC log of wai-wcag on 2013-01-17

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21:01:15 [trackbot]: Zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
21:01:15 [Zakim]: ok, trackbot, I see WAI_WCAG()4:00PM already started
21:01:16 [trackbot]: Meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
21:01:16 [trackbot]: Date: 17 January 2013
21:01:20 [Zakim]: +Katie_Haritos-Shea
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21:01:35 [Zakim]: +??P7
21:01:59 [Kerstin]: I'm one of the IP Caller
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21:02:31 [MichaelC]: zakim, IPcaller is Gian_Wild
21:02:31 [Zakim]: +Gian_Wild; got it
21:02:39 [MichaelC]: zakim, IPcaller.a is Kerstin_Probiesch
21:02:39 [Zakim]: +Kerstin_Probiesch; got it
21:02:41 [Zakim]: +Loretta_Guarino_Reid
21:02:44 [MichaelC]: zakim, +64 is Jason_Kiss
21:02:45 [Zakim]: +Jason_Kiss; got it
21:02:54 [Kerstin]: zakim, mute me
21:02:54 [Zakim]: Kerstin_Probiesch should now be muted
21:03:43 [MichaelC]: regrets: Marc_Johlic, Alex_Li
21:04:08 [MichaelC]: agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2013JanMar/0011.html
21:04:14 [MichaelC]: chair: Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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21:04:42 [MichaelC]: scribe: MichaelC
21:04:53 [MichaelC]: -> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20130117misc/results Survey for 17 January 2013
21:04:54 [Zakim]: +mijordan
21:05:16 [MichaelC]: zakim, mij is Andrew_Kirkpatrick
21:05:16 [Zakim]: +Andrew_Kirkpatrick; got it
21:05:23 [jnurthen]: zakim, who is on the phone?
21:05:23 [Zakim]: On the phone I see Gian_Wild, Kerstin_Probiesch (muted), James_Nurthen, Jason_Kiss, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Michael_Cooper, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Andrew_Kirkpatrick
21:05:44 [MichaelC]: chair: Loretta_Guarino_Reid
21:05:52 [MichaelC]: topic: Update of Techniques
21:06:07 [MichaelC]: lgr: want to publish updates to Techniques to catch up the various edits over the past year
21:06:24 [Kerstin]: zakim, unmute me
21:06:24 [Zakim]: Kerstin_Probiesch should no longer be muted
21:06:31 [MichaelC]: not including ARIA techniques that we´re in the middle of now, that would be separate
21:06:59 [MichaelC]: -> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2013/WD-UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20-20130117/ Editors´ Draft of Understanding
21:07:39 [MichaelC]: -> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2013/WD-WCAG20-TECHS-20130117/ Editors´ draft of Techniques
21:07:43 [MichaelC]: topic: LC-2730 : Why is there a test for CSS?
21:09:14 [Zakim]: +Bruce_Bailey
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21:11:14 [Zakim]: +David_MacDonald
21:12:06 [BBailey]: zakim, i am bruce
21:12:06 [Zakim]: ok, BBailey, I now associate you with Bruce_Bailey
21:12:16 [BBailey]: q+
21:14:37 [BBailey]: zakim, mute me
21:14:37 [Zakim]: Bruce_Bailey should now be muted
21:18:49 [MichaelC]: RESOLUTION: Accept as amended
21:19:20 [MichaelC]: -> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Post_WCAG_2 Post WCAG 2 punch list
21:21:06 [MichaelC]: topic: LC-2723 : Use of ALT=" " (containing a space) contradicts F30
21:22:38 [Loretta]: http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20120103/F30.html
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21:23:45 [BBailey]: q+
21:23:58 [BBailey]: zakim, unmute me
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21:25:29 [BBailey]: zakim, mute me
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21:29:08 [jnurthen]: <div id="test">James<img alt="" src="test">Nurthen</div>
21:29:09 [jnurthen]: <input type="text" aria-labelledby="test">
21:34:45 [David]: Hi Gian... glad to hear your voice,,,
21:34:46 [MichaelC]: action: Gian to draft techniques for picture alt
21:34:46 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-189 - Draft techniques for picture alt [on Gian Wild - due 2013-01-24].
21:36:27 [BBailey]: zakim, unmute me
21:36:27 [Zakim]: Bruce_Bailey should no longer be muted
21:36:49 [MichaelC]: action: JamesN to run tests on alt=¨ ¨ to input whether we should remove mention of it from F30
21:36:49 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-190 - Run tests on alt=¨ ¨ to input whether we should remove mention of it from F30 [on James Nurthen - due 2013-01-24].
21:38:02 [BBailey]: zakim, mute me
21:38:02 [Zakim]: Bruce_Bailey should now be muted
21:38:33 [MichaelC]: RESOLUTION: accept as proposed
21:38:39 [Zakim]: -Gian_Wild
21:38:40 [MichaelC]: topic: LC-2743 : "Page Titled" vs. "Page Titles"
21:40:19 [Zakim]: +[IPcaller]
21:40:31 [MichaelC]: zakim, IPcaller is Gian_Wild
21:40:31 [Zakim]: +Gian_Wild; got it
21:42:08 [MichaelC]: RESOLUTION: accept as proposed
21:42:15 [MichaelC]: topic: LC-2722, LC-2733 : How to Meet WCAG 2.0: Sufficient Techniques for 1.1.1 – Non-text Content
21:56:45 [Zakim]: -Andrew_Kirkpatrick
21:57:34 [MichaelC]: action: cooper to migrate http://www.davidmacd.com/WCAG/alt-techniques.html to wiki and incorporate edits from https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20130117misc/results#x2722 into a second round proposal
21:57:34 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-191 - Migrate http://www.davidmacd.com/WCAG/alt-techniques.html to wiki and incorporate edits from https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20130117misc/results#x2722 into a second round proposal [on Michael Cooper - due 2013-01-24].
21:57:53 [MichaelC]: Leave open for next pass
22:00:31 [MichaelC]: topic: Sufficient Technique for SC 1.3.1 : Using ARIA landmarks to identify regions of a page
22:00:45 [jnurthen]: some alt text results - http://jnurthen.users.sonic.net/alttext.html
22:02:49 [MoeKraft]: When defining regions of a web page, authors are advised to consider using standard document landmark roles. If the definitions of these regions are inadequate, authors can use the region role and provide the appropriate accessible name.
22:04:26 [MoeKraft]: region (role) # A large perceivable section of a web page or document, that the author feels is important enough to be included in a page summary or table of contents, for example, an area of the page containing live sporting event statistics.
22:04:38 [MichaelC]: -> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria/rdf_model.png ARIA taxonomy
22:13:13 [MoeKraft]: 5.3.4. Landmark Roles # The following roles are regions of the page intended as navigational landmarks. All of these roles inherit from the landmark base type and, with the exception of application, all are imported from the Role Attribute [ROLE]. The roles are included here in order to make them clearly part of the WAI-ARIA Role taxonomy. application banner complementary contentinfo form main navigation search
22:16:55 [David]: typo "ta help"
22:17:01 [MoeKraft]: Here's the guidance we provide in our checklist, "An application landmark should only apply to an entire region of the page that has a collection of UI components that form an application for which all keyboard handling is solely handled by the application. Since Assistive Technologies recognize widgets and pass keyboard control to them, there is seldom a need to use role="application"."
22:17:29 [MoeKraft]: http://www-03.ibm.com/able/guidelines/web/webnavigation.html
22:17:47 [MichaelC]: Leave open to incorporate comments
22:20:30 [MichaelC]: topic: Sufficient Technique for SC 2.4.1 : Using ARIA landmarks to bypass blocks of content
22:23:41 [MichaelC]: Leave open to incorporate comments
22:23:55 [MichaelC]: topic: Sufficient Technique for SC 1.3.1 : Headings using role=heading
22:23:56 [MoeKraft]: https://github.com/davidtodd/landmarks
22:32:07 [MichaelC]: use cases for role=heading
22:32:35 [MichaelC]: - retrofitting a site where can´t change DOM element hierarchy because of script effects etc. but can make accessible with role=heading
22:32:55 [MichaelC]: - headings go down to a level 7 which can´t be represented in HTML but can with role=heading aria-level=7
22:33:38 [MichaelC]: Leave open to incorporate comments
22:33:46 [MichaelC]: topic: Advisory Technique for SC 1.3.2 : Using aria-flowto
22:37:18 [Kerstin]: zakim, mute me
22:37:18 [Zakim]: Kerstin_Probiesch should now be muted
22:40:53 [MichaelC]: Do not accept for now; postpone for future work
22:42:11 [MichaelC]: zakim, list attendees
22:42:11 [Zakim]: As of this point the attendees have been James_Nurthen, +644462aaaa, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Michael_Cooper, Gian_Wild, Kerstin_Probiesch, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Jason_Kiss, mijordan,
22:42:15 [Zakim]: ... Andrew_Kirkpatrick, Bruce_Bailey, David_MacDonald, MoeKraft
22:42:20 [MichaelC]: rrsagent, make minutes
22:42:20 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/01/17-wai-wcag-minutes.html MichaelC
22:43:29 [BBailey]: q+
22:43:37 [BBailey]: zakim, unmute me
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22:44:30 [Zakim]: -Bruce_Bailey
22:44:31 [Zakim]: -Michael_Cooper
22:44:32 [Zakim]: -Gian_Wild
22:44:33 [Zakim]: -Loretta_Guarino_Reid
22:44:33 [Zakim]: -Jason_Kiss
22:44:34 [Zakim]: -Katie_Haritos-Shea
22:44:34 [Zakim]: -James_Nurthen
22:44:35 [Zakim]: -David_MacDonald
22:44:35 [Zakim]: -Kerstin_Probiesch
22:44:37 [Zakim]: -MoeKraft
22:44:37 [Zakim]: WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has ended
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22:44:38 [Zakim]: Attendees were James_Nurthen, +644462aaaa, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Michael_Cooper, Gian_Wild, Kerstin_Probiesch, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Jason_Kiss, mijordan, Andrew_Kirkpatrick,
22:44:38 [Zakim]: ... Bruce_Bailey, David_MacDonald, MoeKraft
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22:47:14 [MichaelC]: zakim, bye
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22:47:15 [MichaelC]: rrsagent, bye
22:47:15 [RRSAgent]: I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2013/01/17-wai-wcag-actions.rdf :
22:47:15 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Gian to draft techniques for picture alt [1]
22:47:15 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/01/17-wai-wcag-irc#T21-34-46
22:47:15 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: JamesN to run tests on alt=¨ ¨ to input whether we should remove mention of it from F30 [2]
22:47:15 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/01/17-wai-wcag-irc#T21-36-49
22:47:15 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: cooper to migrate http://www.davidmacd.com/WCAG/alt-techniques.html to wiki and incorporate edits from https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20130117misc/results#x2722 into a second round proposal [3]
22:47:15 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/01/17-wai-wcag-irc#T21-57-34