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17:01:44 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
17:01:44 <trackbot> Date: 17 January 2013
17:01:49 <Zakim> +Radhika_Roy
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17:02:50 <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
17:02:55 <paulc> http://www.w3.org/2013/01/10-html-wg-minutes.html say Rik will scribe.
17:02:56 <Zakim> +cabanier
17:02:57 <Eliot> zakim, microsoft.a has me, Erika, Jay
17:02:57 <Zakim> +Eliot, Erika, Jay; got it
17:03:00 <Zakim> +??P46
17:03:03 <Zakim> + +1.971.998.aacc
17:03:07 <Barbara> Barbara has joined #html-wg
17:03:08 <Zakim> +??P50
17:03:10 <paulc> zakim, who is on the call?
17:03:10 <Zakim> On the phone I see [Microsoft], +33.9.51.58.aaaa, +1.781.568.aabb, Sam, Radhika_Roy, [Microsoft.a], cabanier, ??P46, +1.971.998.aacc, ??P50
17:03:12 <glenn> zakim, ??P46 is me
17:03:12 <Zakim> [Microsoft.a] has Eliot, Erika, Jay
17:03:12 <Zakim> +David_Carlisle
17:03:12 <Zakim> +glenn; got it
17:03:18 <janina> zakim, ??P50 is Janina
17:03:18 <Zakim> +Janina; got it
17:03:23 <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc
17:03:23 <Zakim> +paulc; got it
17:03:43 <cabanier> scribenick: cabanier
17:03:46 <Zakim> +[Apple]
17:03:49 <Wilto> zakim, +1.781.568.aabb is Mat Marquis
17:03:49 <Zakim> I don't understand '+1.781.568.aabb is Mat Marquis', Wilto
17:03:54 <hober> Zakim, Apple is me
17:03:54 <Zakim> +hober; got it
17:03:59 <Wilto> Well, I tried.
17:04:00 <hober> Zakim, aabb is Wilto
17:04:00 <Zakim> +Wilto; got it
17:04:02 <Zakim> +Laura_Carlson
17:04:06 <Wilto> thanks, hober.
17:04:09 <paulc> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2013JanMar/0004.html
17:04:09 <yoav> +yoav
17:04:10 <Zakim> +christian
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17:04:25 <Zakim> +[Microsoft.aa]
17:04:30 <paulc> zakim, who is on the call?
17:04:30 <Zakim> On the phone I see [Microsoft], +33.9.51.58.aaaa, Wilto, Sam, Radhika_Roy, [Microsoft.a], cabanier, glenn, +1.971.998.aacc, Janina, David_Carlisle, hober, Laura_Carlson, christian,
17:04:33 <Zakim> ... [Microsoft.aa]
17:04:33 <Zakim> [Microsoft] has paulc
17:04:33 <Zakim> [Microsoft.a] has Eliot, Erika, Jay
17:04:37 <adrianba> zakim, [Microsoft.aa] is me
17:04:37 <Zakim> +adrianba; got it
17:05:00 <glenn> zakim, 1.781.568.aabb is Wilto
17:05:00 <Zakim> sorry, glenn, I do not recognize a party named '1.781.568.aabb'
17:05:07 <yoav> Zakim, +33.9.51.58.aaaa is me
17:05:07 <Zakim> +yoav; got it
17:05:42 <cabanier> topic ACTION items due by Thursday, January 17
17:05:45 <cabanier> topic: ACTION items due by Thursday, January 17
17:05:46 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
17:05:53 <cabanier> none
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17:05:59 <adrianba> Regrets+ Daniel_Austin
17:06:03 <cabanier> topic:  New Issues This Week
17:06:11 <cabanier> topic: ISSUE-207: Adaptive and responsive images
17:06:31 <paulc> ISSUE-207?
17:06:31 <trackbot> ISSUE-207 -- Adaptive and responsive images -- raised
17:06:31 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/207
17:06:39 <laura_> If the responsive images group wants to pursue incorporating the picture element into HTML5.0, they can do so. But I withdraw my tracker request. I wish them the best.
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17:06:49 <cabanier> paulc: we have a call for consensus which is later on the agenda
17:07:08 <cabanier> paulc: … we updated the assumption for all the other tracker issues
17:07:19 <cabanier> topic: Bug 20082 (Microdata) - Change Microdata specification track to W3C Note
17:07:19 <cabanier> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20082
17:07:39 <cabanier> paulc: should microdata be a rec or a note? this is also later on the agenda
17:07:52 <cabanier> topic: Bug 12725 (Polyglot) - Document should be on the Note-track
17:07:52 <cabanier> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12725
17:08:02 <cabanier> paulc: this is the same
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17:08:16 <cabanier> paulc: the chairs are going the preference poll one at a time
17:08:24 <cabanier> paulc: have we done those previously?
17:08:41 <cabanier> paulc: we want to make sure that the survey mechanism is working correctly
17:08:57 <cabanier> paulc: we will do the survey when microdata closes
17:09:10 <cabanier> topic: Bug 12726 (Alt techniques in HTML) - Document should be on the Note-track
17:09:10 <cabanier> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12726
17:09:24 <cabanier> paulc: we had a specific request to put this item on hold
17:09:44 <paulc> See http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013Jan/0002.html
17:10:03 <cabanier> paulc: Steve Falckner sent the chairs a note to wait until implementation details
17:10:20 <cabanier> paulc: …as of yet no bugs are filed but we expect that they will
17:10:45 <cabanier> paulc: … janina is going to work on this
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17:11:08 <cabanier> paulc: … the chairs are going to leave this as outstanding
17:11:19 <cabanier> topic: Bug 13409 - Defining Entity references for characters in XHTML
17:11:19 <cabanier> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13409
17:11:35 <cabanier> paulc: we had a proposal: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013Jan/0021.html
17:11:50 <Zakim> +Tantek
17:11:54 <cabanier> paulc: David Carlisle is going to work with the group on an extension spec
17:12:26 <cabanier> paulc: what is the status of the spec?
17:12:39 <cabanier> davidc: I'm not sure about the procedure
17:12:52 <cabanier> davidc: the spec is not on a rec track
17:13:17 <cabanier> paulc: is it xhtml- pubid?
17:13:17 <paulc> See http://www.w3.org/2003/entities/2007doc/xhtmlpubid.html
17:13:26 <cabanier> davidc: yes
17:13:45 <cabanier> paulc: what should happen to the document?
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17:14:24 <cabanier> paulc: you should take the text from your message but send it to public-html
17:14:35 <cabanier> paulc: and provide your solution
17:14:44 <cabanier> davidc: that sounds good
17:14:58 <Zakim> -Laura_Carlson
17:15:01 <tantek> Zakim, mute tantek
17:15:01 <tantek> Zakim, who is here?
17:15:01 <Zakim> Tantek should now be muted
17:15:02 <Zakim> On the phone I see [Microsoft], yoav, Wilto, Sam, Radhika_Roy, [Microsoft.a], cabanier, glenn, +1.971.998.aacc, Janina, David_Carlisle, hober, christian, adrianba, [IPcaller],
17:15:02 <Zakim> ... Tantek
17:15:02 <Zakim> [Microsoft] has paulc
17:15:02 <Zakim> [Microsoft.a] has Eliot, Erika, Jay
17:15:02 <Zakim> On IRC I see tantek, tpod, edoyle, jarek, Marcos2, jaymunro, Barbara, janina, Zakim, RRSAgent, MFoladare, rubys, Eliot, paulc, cabanier, davidc, adrianba, dveditz, Wilto, tinkster,
17:15:07 <Zakim> ... heath, davidb, plh, IanPouncey, ArtB, nonge, Stevef, Lachy
17:15:07 <cabanier> davidc: it would be good that the implementors are aware of the issue
17:15:27 <cabanier> davidc: and if people have comments
17:15:30 <paulc> q?
17:15:53 <cabanier> topic: Bug 15213 - Drag-and-drop processing model
17:15:53 <cabanier> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=15213
17:16:04 <cabanier> paulc: this item was reopened
17:16:16 <cabanier> paulc: I didn't have time to research it
17:16:35 <cabanier> paulc: I wonder what is going on. Sam, do you know?
17:17:03 <cabanier> rubys: … (?)
17:17:17 <cabanier> paulc: so this was raised by john?
17:17:33 <cabanier> paulc: is there precedent to move from 5.1 to 5.0
17:17:48 <rubys> s/... (?)/we should process as a 5.1 issue/
17:18:15 <cabanier> paulc: we may move this to 5.1 and Sam is going investigate if this is OK and not setting a precedent
17:18:31 <cabanier> paulc: if it's a feature request, we can simply put it in 5.1
17:18:43 <cabanier> topic: Items Closed Last Week
17:18:47 <cabanier> paulc: none
17:18:56 <cabanier> topic:: Items Closing This Week
17:19:09 <cabanier> topic: CfC: to publish Media Source Extensions specification as a First Public Working Draft (FPWD) http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013Jan/0005.html
17:19:22 <cabanier> paulc: that closed last night and there were no objections
17:19:31 <cabanier> paulc: this CfC has passed
17:19:35 <paulc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013Jan/0039.html
17:19:42 <cabanier> paulc: … so we will publish this
17:20:05 <cabanier> paulc: … Adrian and aaron are the editors and worked with Mike Smith to get this published
17:20:21 <cabanier> paulc: … I will ask for a transition request
17:20:43 <cabanier> paulc: … probably today or tomorrow
17:21:04 <cabanier> topic: Items Closing Next Week
17:21:48 <cabanier> topic: CfC: handle ISSUE-207 responsive-images consistently with Plan 2014 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013Jan/0020.html
17:21:54 <paulc> ISSUE-207?
17:21:54 <trackbot> ISSUE-207 -- Adaptive and responsive images -- raised
17:21:54 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/207
17:22:18 <cabanier> paulc: there is a fair amound of position taking and there is topical discussion going on
17:22:44 <cabanier> hober: laura is withdrawing her tracker request
17:23:15 <cabanier> Wilto: I'm in the responsive images community group
17:23:57 <Wilto> “If the responsive images group wants to pursue incorporating the picture
17:23:57 <Wilto> element into HTML5.0, they can do so. But I withdraw my tracker request. I wish
17:23:57 <Wilto> them the best.”
17:24:13 <cabanier> Wilto: around 9:10, laura_ said that
17:24:37 <cabanier> paulc: she is not a member of the WG so she can't withdraw
17:24:48 <cabanier> paulc: we will not withdraw the CFC
17:25:00 <rubys> s/so she can't withdraw//
17:25:33 <cabanier> topic: New Surveys this week
17:25:43 <cabanier> topic: Preference Survey: Microdata Note vs Recommendation Track http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013Jan/0022.html
17:25:43 <cabanier> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/microdata-status-preference-poll/
17:26:01 <cabanier> paulc: should it be a rec or a note? we have a poll
17:26:19 <cabanier> paulc: .. the interim result 17 yes and 4 no
17:26:27 <paulc> Interim results: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/microdata-status-preference-poll/results
17:26:53 <cabanier> paulc: it looks like the yes vote is in the lead. This is a simple majority vote
17:27:04 <cabanier> topic: Decisions this week
17:27:04 <cabanier> None
17:27:16 <cabanier> topic: Other Business
17:27:23 <cabanier> topic: Status of CfC for Encrypted Media Extensions, ETA next week Current Candidate FPWD (not yet completed):
17:27:24 <cabanier> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-media/raw-file/tip/encrypted-media/encrypted-media-fpwd.html
17:27:35 <cabanier> paulc: we have a candidate draft document.
17:27:56 <cabanier> paulc: the taskforce has 1 more bug that they need to close. This has delayed the process by a week
17:28:10 <cabanier> paulc: … it will open up next tuesday probable
17:28:20 <cabanier> topic: Publishing Use Cases and <picture> document through HTMLWG http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2012Dec/0087.html
17:28:46 <cabanier> paulc: i put this on the agenda to figure out the status
17:29:04 <cabanier> hober: there are 4 to 5 src-set bug and try to work though them
17:29:19 <cabanier> hober: … I don't think <picture> needs to wait for src-set.
17:29:37 <Wilto> http://picture.responsiveimages.org/#relationship-to-srcset
17:29:47 <cabanier> Wilto: looking through the src-set bugs, they are addressed by the picture spec
17:29:54 <cabanier> Wilto: … there is overlap
17:30:03 <cabanier> Wilto: I'm unsure how to coordinate
17:30:19 <cabanier> paulc: maybe someone can give us the list of bugs on src-src
17:30:26 <rubys> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=REOPENED&component=The%20srcset%20attribute&product=HTML%20WG&list_id=4252
17:30:27 <cabanier> s/src-src/src-set
17:30:44 <hober> s/src-set/srcset/
17:30:57 <cabanier> paulc: I suggest that people comment on these bugs
17:31:34 <cabanier> paulc: … there was thinking that we should publish the 2 documents at the same time and that they should point to each other
17:31:48 <cabanier> paulc: … they are 2 proposals for the same use-cases
17:32:11 <Wilto> (Some of the same use-cases.)
17:32:26 <cabanier> paulc: … I wonder if we can wait 2 more weeks until Hober fixes his bugs
17:32:49 <cabanier> Wilto: …(?)
17:33:04 <cabanier> Hober: 2 weeks is fine. I will try to do it faster.
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17:33:41 <Zakim> -David_Carlisle
17:33:43 <cabanier> paulc: the chairs are tracking this
17:33:55 <Wilto> “Where some of the outstanding `srcset` bugs are addressed by the `picture` extension specification, we may not be able to close them without knowing more about the status of the `picture` extension spec.”
17:34:25 <cabanier> ???: there are duplicate bugs between w3c and whatwg bugs
17:34:38 <cabanier> hober: the bugs are cloned so they are linked together
17:34:42 <Wilto> “If `picture` should pass, it would effectively close some of these bugs. If not, they would need to be addressed in another way before the `srcset` bugs can be closed.”
17:34:49 <cabanier> hober: I'm tracking it in both places
17:35:00 <cabanier> paulc: are all the bugs assigned to you, hober?
17:35:04 <cabanier> hober: yes, they are
17:35:23 <cabanier> paulc: thanks yoav for noticing that
17:35:33 <cabanier> topic: HTML core spec bug reorganization
17:35:33 <cabanier> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013Jan/0014.html
17:35:49 <cabanier> paulc: robin started the message about how we can reorg the bugs
17:36:04 <cabanier> paulc: … I want to make it to people's attention that we will move things around
17:36:29 <cabanier> paulc: … most of the bugs are under html5 and many in html.next
17:37:04 <cabanier> paulc: … does anyone have comments or questions? If so, post them to the admin list
17:37:19 <cabanier> topic: CfC: to publish ARIA in HTML specification as a First Public Working Draft (FPWD) http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013Jan/0006.html
17:37:34 <cabanier> paulc: this cfc passed some time ago and is awaiting publication
17:37:47 <cabanier> paulc: is anyone on the call that can update us?
17:37:54 <cabanier> (silence)
17:38:30 <cabanier> paulc: the transition request for the documents has not been sent to the chairs list yet
17:38:50 <cabanier> paulc: I have 2 pending requests.
17:38:59 <cabanier> paulc: are there any other questions?
17:39:13 <paulc> rrsagent, make minutes
17:39:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/01/17-html-wg-minutes.html paulc
17:39:17 <cabanier> topic: Chair/scribe for next meeting
17:39:31 <cabanier> paulc: Maciej will most likely chair
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17:39:41 <cabanier> paulc: who wants to scribe
17:40:28 <cabanier> no scribe volunteer
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17:42:49 <cabanier> RRSAgent: make minutes
17:42:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/01/17-html-wg-minutes.html cabanier
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