15:00:55 RRSAgent has joined #gld 15:00:55 logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/01/17-gld-irc 15:00:59 Zakim has joined #gld 15:01:29 DaveReynolds has joined #gld 15:01:41 zakim, this is gld 15:01:41 ok, HadleyBeeman; that matches T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM 15:01:47 +??P39 15:01:48 zakim, who is here? 15:01:48 On the phone I see HadleyBeeman, +91.80.67.84.aaaa, ??P39 15:01:48 On IRC I see DaveReynolds, Zakim, RRSAgent, PhilA, boris, martin_, HadleyBeeman, olyerickson, bhyland, TallTed, danbri, trackbot, sandro 15:02:04 +[IPcaller] 15:02:08 zakim, who is on the phone? 15:02:08 On the phone I see HadleyBeeman, +91.80.67.84.aaaa, ??P39, [IPcaller] 15:02:14 zakim, IPcaller is me 15:02:14 +DaveReynolds; got it 15:02:24 zakim,code? 15:02:25 the conference code is 45394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), boris 15:02:36 +Sandro 15:02:36 zakim, who is on the phone? 15:02:37 On the phone I see HadleyBeeman, +91.80.67.84.aaaa, ??P39, DaveReynolds, Sandro 15:02:51 dialing in, apologies... 15:02:55 + +34.91.334.aabb 15:02:57 zakim, I am ??P39. 15:02:57 +olyerickson; got it 15:02:57 zakim, aaaa is biplav 15:02:59 +biplav; got it 15:03:00 Biplav has joined #gld 15:03:13 zakim, mute me. 15:03:14 olyerickson should now be muted 15:03:14 - +34.91.334.aabb 15:03:21 +davidwood 15:03:28 zakim, davidwood is me 15:03:28 +bhyland; got it 15:04:01 + +34.91.334.aacc 15:04:10 zakim, aacc is me 15:04:10 +boris; got it 15:04:16 zakim, mute me 15:04:16 boris should now be muted 15:04:31 -boris 15:04:43 zakim, who is speaking? 15:04:53 HadleyBeeman, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: bhyland (89%) 15:05:24 -biplav 15:05:25 +??P46 15:05:29 zakim, P46 is me 15:05:29 sorry, martin_, I do not recognize a party named 'P46' 15:05:40 zakim, ??P46 is me 15:05:40 +martin_; got it 15:06:01 +OpenLink_Software 15:06:09 zakim, mute me 15:06:09 martin_ should now be muted 15:06:20 Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me 15:06:20 +TallTed; got it 15:06:21 Zakim, mute me 15:06:21 TallTed should now be muted 15:06:40 Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20130117 15:07:01 scribe: sandro 15:07:11 zakim, who is on the call? 15:07:11 On the phone I see HadleyBeeman, olyerickson (muted), DaveReynolds, Sandro, bhyland, martin_ (muted), TallTed (muted) 15:07:20 (says...) 15:07:30 TallTed has changed the topic to: Govt Linked Data WG - http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/ - Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20130117 15:07:40 zakim, unmute me 15:07:40 martin_ should no longer be muted 15:07:52 zakim, mute me 15:07:52 martin_ should now be muted 15:08:05 (martin alvarez) 15:08:32 bern: we could do tracker or talk about w3 15:09:03 + +91.80.67.84.aadd 15:09:12 +??P61 15:09:12 james has joined #gld 15:09:15 +??P62 15:09:18 zakim, ??P62 is me 15:09:18 +PhilA; got it 15:09:21 sandro: I'm not willing to partiticpate in this w3 discussion 15:09:26 bhyland: proposes "Discuss visibility of W3C in Open Government Data landscape" 15:09:50 hadley: is this official thing? or informal? 15:09:51 +Mike_Pendleton 15:10:03 Mike_Pendleton has joined #gld 15:10:13 I'm just curious about whether/how this fits within our charter. 15:10:23 (Or if this is an off-the-record chat) 15:10:34 bern: I could air my concern and people can tell me it's not a problem 15:10:43 Biplav has joined #gld 15:10:43 sandro: is this the same as at tpac? 15:10:46 scribe: Hadleybeeman 15:10:50 HadleyBeeman, I'll keep scribing, it's fine. 15:10:58 scribe: sandro 15:10:58 Go for it, sandro. Thanks!! 15:11:32 bern: GLD was set up with an expectation of participation from data.gov.uk and John Sheridan 15:12:18 bern: I went to a conference at US NIST -- which is the org responsible for broadly data stewardship related to measurement -- and there wasn't any presence of the W3 there. Audience of 400-500 people. 15:12:20 q+ to interrupt this 15:12:28 bern: we're not so visible, from what I can tell. 15:12:40 bern: are we visible in the UK, in Spain, etc? 15:12:45 q- 15:13:08 PhilA: +1 sandro I don't think this an appropriate use of the group's time. we have open issues, vocabs, etc. 15:13:18 PhilA 15:13:27 PhilA: I'm happy to talk about what's going on, but it's not for this meeting. 15:13:59 bern: I'll take this to elsewhere, then. 15:14:09 q? 15:14:10 Was this the NIST conference? http://www.nist.gov/itl/cloud/cloudbdworkshop.cfm 15:14:14 bern: anyone else? 15:14:29 bern: yes, olyerickson that was it. 15:14:34 Proposal to accept minutes from last week: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2012-12-20 15:14:56 topic: Admin 15:15:07 Minutes from last week: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2013-01-10 15:15:25 +1 15:15:37 +1 15:15:44 RESOLVED: accept minutes from last week http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2013-01-10 15:15:49 +1 15:15:55 Zakim, who is on the call? 15:15:55 On the phone I see HadleyBeeman, olyerickson (muted), DaveReynolds, Sandro, bhyland, martin_ (muted), TallTed (muted), +91.80.67.84.aadd, james, PhilA, Mike_Pendleton 15:16:05 topic: next F2F 15:16:14 bern: no update on dublin meeting 15:16:59 action: bhyland set up f2f wiki page 15:16:59 Created ACTION-85 - Set up f2f wiki page [on Bernadette Hyland - due 2013-01-24]. 15:17:06 Action: Tracker Review 15:17:06 Error finding 'Tracker'. You can review and register nicknames at . 15:17:06 1. Open items, see http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/open 15:18:04 zakim, aadd is biplav 15:18:04 +biplav; got it 15:18:39 zakim, who is on the call? 15:18:39 On the phone I see HadleyBeeman, olyerickson (muted), DaveReynolds, Sandro, bhyland, martin_ (muted), TallTed (muted), biplav, james, PhilA, Mike_Pendleton 15:18:49 http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/raised?sort=product 15:19:10 sandro: let's sort by the Product column, so they are grouped that way. 15:19:19 issue-28? 15:19:19 ISSUE-28 -- Is a vocabulary 5-star? -- raised 15:19:19 http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/28 15:19:44 bern: Any guesses what Michael was thinking? 15:20:35 sandro: I see it's coming from a Vatant post. 15:21:01 sandro: Is this stuff in the current best practices doc? 15:21:06 bern: it's not now, but it would be good to add. 15:21:28 bern: examples would be good. 15:21:48 q+ 15:22:18 sandro: maybe close this and action bern to add a draft to bp 15:22:35 DaveReynolds: bernard's post covers stuff we're already doing in our vocabs 15:23:08 action: bhyland to pub guidance in bp checklist guided by http://blog.hubjects.com/2012/02/is-your-linked-data-vocabulary-5-star_9588.html 15:23:08 Created ACTION-86 - Pub guidance in bp checklist guided by http://blog.hubjects.com/2012/02/is-your-linked-data-vocabulary-5-star_9588.html [on Bernadette Hyland - due 2013-01-24]. 15:23:30 PROPOSED: close issue-28 given action-86 15:23:33 Yigal has joined #gld 15:23:34 +1 15:23:34 +1 15:23:39 RESOLVED: close issue-28 given action-86 15:23:39 Next: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/15 15:23:55 close issue-28 15:23:56 Closed ISSUE-28 Is a vocabulary 5-star?. 15:24:31 issue-15? 15:24:31 ISSUE-15 -- GLD life cycle -- raised 15:24:31 http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/15 15:24:36 +[IPcaller] 15:24:37 trackbot, associate action-86 with issue-28 15:24:37 ACTION-86 (Pub guidance in bp checklist guided by http://blog.hubjects.com/2012/02/is-your-linked-data-vocabulary-5-star_9588.html) associated with ISSUE-28. 15:24:50 zakim, IPcaller is me 15:24:50 +Yigal; got it 15:24:54 bern: Boris and I can still work on this. 15:25:44 Next: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/16 15:25:46 action: bhyland to include life cycle information into bp (from issue-15) 15:25:46 Created ACTION-87 - Include life cycle information into bp (from issue-15) [on Bernadette Hyland - due 2013-01-24]. 15:25:53 action: boris to include life cycle information into bp (from issue-15) 15:25:53 Created ACTION-88 - Include life cycle information into bp (from issue-15) [on Boris Villazón-Terrazas - due 2013-01-24]. 15:26:17 RESOLVED: close issue-15 based on action-87 and action-88 15:26:22 close issue-15 15:26:22 Closed ISSUE-15 GLD life cycle. 15:26:37 trackbot, associate action-87 with issue-15 15:26:37 ACTION-87 (Include life cycle information into bp (from issue-15)) associated with ISSUE-15. 15:26:39 topic: issue-16 15:26:41 trackbot, associate action-88 with issue-15 15:26:41 ACTION-88 (Include life cycle information into bp (from issue-15)) associated with ISSUE-15. 15:26:47 issue-16? 15:26:47 ISSUE-16 -- Re-usable sections or other GLD documents -- raised 15:26:47 http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/16 15:27:26 bern: I'd call this a topical mapping of the various things in vocab docs and best practices. we need consistent review of deliverbales so they don't contradict each other. 15:27:46 bern: much of bp was initially a cut-and-paste, and we don't want to the same info in two locations. 15:28:02 bern: I think we can just close this -- the review cycle will already take care of this. 15:28:10 +1 to this being a part of the editorial process 15:28:17 proposed: close issue-16 it's part of normal process 15:28:22 Next: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/12 15:28:30 RESOLVED: close issue-16 it's part of normal process 15:28:35 close issue-16 15:28:35 Closed ISSUE-16 Re-usable sections or other GLD documents. 15:29:04 zakim, unmute me. 15:29:04 olyerickson should no longer be muted 15:29:21 topic: issue-12 15:29:23 issue=12? 15:29:26 issue-12? 15:29:26 ISSUE-12 -- What values to use to describe formats of dcat:Distribution? -- raised 15:29:26 http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/12 15:29:32 Most recent update from Fadi was http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Dcat_examples 15:29:49 DaveReynolds? 15:30:04 DaveReynolds: not involved in dcat enough to comment 15:30:43 olyerickson: This is about whether there should be some suggested formats. There was much back-and-forth in email. Most recent was a set of examples that fadi put into wiki. 15:31:28 olyerickson: I don't have a problem with this, but I don't see clear consensus yet. 15:31:32 q+ 15:31:55 +1 to move to Open 15:31:59 bern: shall we mark it OPEN and action someone to review the status 15:32:01 +1 15:32:06 +1 15:32:10 yes -- mark issue open, push proposed resolution through email, schedule vote on proposal for future calll... 15:32:11 -0 to creating action since we need someone to take the action :) 15:32:22 heh 15:32:29 @DaveR, we'll get to that … ;-) 15:32:39 olyerickson: ISSUE doesn't have a proposal, it's just a question. 15:32:52 bern: olyerickson do you understand what Fadi was looking for? 15:33:20 open issue-12 15:34:43 bern: I'll talk to Fadi about dcat issues, for a future meeting 15:35:46 Next: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/30 15:36:00 okay, all DCAT RAISED issues now OPEN. 15:36:12 topic: data cube RAISED issues 15:37:01 DaveReynolds: let's scan them one by one, so we only open the ones we're going to put time into. 15:37:04 q- 15:37:16 issue-30? 15:37:16 ISSUE-30 -- Declaring relations between cubes -- raised 15:37:16 http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/30 15:38:13 DaveReynolds: discussed in email this past week. one cube might be a summary of another cube. 15:38:41 ... benedikt said something, ... I'm concerned this may be too complex for this WG. Let's leave this RAISED for now. 15:38:55 issue-31? 15:38:55 ISSUE-31 -- Supporting aggregation for other than SKOS hierarchies -- raised 15:38:55 http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/31 15:38:58 ... it may be beyond the bandwidth of this WG 15:39:24 bhyland: so leaving it as RAISED means it's kind of on our to-do list if we have time. 15:39:48 DaveReynolds: let's open issue-31 and take care of it. 15:40:09 DaveReynolds: eg goegraphic relationships 15:40:27 open issue-31 15:41:00 "by ..."? 15:41:22 action: DaveReynolds to propose solutions for issue-31 - due 4 weeks 15:41:22 Error finding 'DaveReynolds'. You can review and register nicknames at . 15:41:33 action: Dave to propose solutions for issue-31 - due 4 weeks 15:41:33 Created ACTION-89 - propose solutions for issue-31 [on Dave Reynolds - due 2013-02-14]. 15:41:37 issue-39? 15:41:37 ISSUE-39 -- Data Cube: Allow skos:Collections as value of qb:codeList -- raised 15:41:37 http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/39 15:42:41 DaveReynolds: This has also been discussed recently. Probably not out of scope. But I think it has to be richard moving this forward. 15:43:19 issue-37? 15:43:19 ISSUE-37 -- Align Data Cube with SDMX 2.1 -- raised 15:43:19 http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/37 15:44:09 DaveReynolds: Richard is also better placed to comment on this. I'm not familiar with the changes in SDMX 2.1. Someone needs to review and figure out if this is a feasible amount of work. 15:44:26 bern: I'd like to put it on the nice-to-have someday list. 15:45:01 bern: there's more low-hanging-fruit. 15:45:01 BenediktKaempgen has joined #gld 15:45:18 issue-34? 15:45:18 ISSUE-34 -- Clarify or drop qb:subslice ? -- raised 15:45:18 http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/34 15:45:35 +??P33 15:45:37 DaveReynolds: The question is whether SDMX has changed in ways that make it simpler, better -- and maybe that would make our job easier. 15:45:51 zakim, who is here? 15:45:51 On the phone I see HadleyBeeman, olyerickson, DaveReynolds, Sandro, bhyland, martin_ (muted), TallTed (muted), biplav, james, PhilA, Mike_Pendleton, Yigal, ??P33 15:45:55 On IRC I see BenediktKaempgen, Yigal, Biplav, Mike_Pendleton, james, DaveReynolds, Zakim, RRSAgent, PhilA, martin_, HadleyBeeman, olyerickson, bhyland, TallTed, danbri, trackbot, 15:45:55 ... sandro 15:46:07 zakim, ??P33 is BenediktKaempgen 15:46:07 +BenediktKaempgen; got it 15:46:24 sandro: maybe we should use POSTPONED status instead of leaving it RAISED? 15:46:41 DaveReynolds: Not yet -- let's have some review first. 15:47:34 issue-34? 15:47:34 ISSUE-34 -- Clarify or drop qb:subslice ? -- raised 15:47:34 http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/34 15:48:05 action: Dave make a proposal on issue-34 -- due 4 weeks 15:48:05 Created ACTION-90 - Make a proposal on issue-34 -- due 4 weeks [on Dave Reynolds - due 2013-01-24]. 15:48:07 issue-33? 15:48:08 ISSUE-33 -- Collections of observations and well-formedness of slices -- raised 15:48:08 http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/33 15:48:47 action: Dave propose solution to issue-33 -- due 4 weeks 15:48:47 Created ACTION-91 - Propose solution to issue-33 -- due 4 weeks [on Dave Reynolds - due 2013-01-24]. 15:49:33 Clarify "using it?" 15:49:53 issue-32? 15:49:53 ISSUE-32 -- Relationship to ISO19156 - Observations & Measurements? -- raised 15:49:53 http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/32 15:49:53 There are bioinformatics projects inthe US using it 15:49:58 (Cube) 15:50:19 q? 15:50:25 ack DaveReynolds 15:50:45 DaveReynolds: since the issue was raised, we now understand how to do this. there's NOT a one-size-fits-all. 15:50:59 DaveReynolds: so we need an informal clarifyin appendix. 15:52:21 action: Dave draft an informal appendix to clarify Relationship to ISO19156 - Observations & Measurements? re issue-32 - due 4 weeks 15:52:21 Created ACTION-92 - draft an informal appendix to clarify Relationship to ISO19156 - Observations & Measurements? re issue-32 [on Dave Reynolds - due 2013-02-14]. 15:52:36 dav: this ISO std stands out with particular need here 15:52:47 dav: don't want to have to relate to every other std 15:52:48 issue-29? 15:52:48 ISSUE-29 -- Criteria for well-formedness -- raised 15:52:48 http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/29 15:54:05 BartvanLeeuwen has joined #gld 15:54:20 Might that be a QB Profile?? 15:54:32 DaveReynolds: This is a bigger one. The cube allows a lot of flexibility. To make it robust and consumable, we need some device in the spec for conformance. We have to address this somehow, but it'll be hard. 15:54:50 action: dave come up with a proposal on issue-29 - due 6 weeks 15:54:50 Created ACTION-93 - come up with a proposal on issue-29 [on Dave Reynolds - due 2013-02-28]. 15:54:59 PhilA: Is this a Cube Profile? 15:55:23 +??P13 15:55:30 Zakim, ??p13 is me 15:55:30 +BartvanLeeuwen; got it 15:55:35 DaveReynolds: Maybe. It's diffferent in that cube has an abbreviated syntax. That makes it more like SDMX, but requires custom inference to understand it. 15:55:47 dav: in spirit it's a profile, but with more machinery. 15:56:05 Topic: ORG Vocab "Raised" tracker items 15:56:45 Topic: RegOrg 15:56:49 Change of plans ... 15:56:57 issue-46? 15:56:57 ISSUE-46 -- Should GLD vocabularies define conceptual models too? -- raised 15:56:57 http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/46 15:57:20 bern: this was raised by cygri... anyone know? 15:58:10 PhilA: ADMS and RegOrg come from a world where people use conceptual models, not just RDF. Then the conceptual models get translated to RDF. Richard asked if that two-stage model is necessary in this group. 15:58:26 phil: in the fpwd this has happened. we don't mention anything but RDF, I think. 15:58:42 phil: So I think for regorg at least this has been resolved. 15:59:07 phil: I think it can be closed, but we should check with richard. 15:59:24 phil: conformance statement says you COULD use XML or something, but 'prefers' RDF. 16:00:01 action: phil to check with richard on whether issue-46 can be closed, as already taken care of by regorg fpwd 16:00:02 Created ACTION-94 - Check with richard on whether issue-46 can be closed, as already taken care of by regorg fpwd [on Phil Archer - due 2013-01-24]. 16:00:03 issue-41? 16:00:03 ISSUE-41 -- use of skos:altLabel or dcterms:alternative -- raised 16:00:03 http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/41 16:00:31 phil: I think this is a dave question, since it comes from Org. 16:01:08 +1 16:01:16 phil: regorg differs from org here. 16:01:58 dav: you had some examples with things with multiple names in the same jurisdiction, so can't use prefLable. 16:02:03 phil: yes. 16:02:30 bern: given popularity of skos, I'd say use prefLabel 16:02:47 phil: there are cases where an org has mult lables in one lang. 16:02:56 phil: might have two names with same standing. 16:03:07 -biplav 16:04:05 down to 18 raised issues. good job folks 16:04:10 q? 16:04:20 bern: thanks everyone, sorry for going overtime. 16:04:32 -DaveReynolds 16:04:39 thx 16:04:40 bye, thanks 16:04:43 olyerickson has left #gld 16:04:43 -TallTed 16:04:44 -james 16:04:45 Yigal has left #gld 16:04:45 -olyerickson 16:04:45 -bhyland 16:04:45 -HadleyBeeman 16:04:46 -BenediktKaempgen 16:04:51 Thank you all, very productive call re: deliverables 16:04:53 -PhilA 16:04:53 -Yigal 16:04:56 olyerickson has joined #gld 16:04:58 -BartvanLeeuwen 16:05:00 -Sandro 16:05:09 james has left #gld 16:05:34 -Mike_Pendleton 16:08:18 DaveReynolds has left #gld 16:35:01 disconnecting the lone participant, martin_, in T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM 16:35:02 T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM has ended 16:35:02 Attendees were HadleyBeeman, +91.80.67.84.aaaa, DaveReynolds, Sandro, +34.91.334.aabb, olyerickson, biplav, bhyland, +34.91.334.aacc, boris, martin_, TallTed, +91.80.67.84.aadd, 16:35:02 ... 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